Offer them and 2 friends a position in the ACC. They considered moving once, but Texas didn't want to be tied to the West coast. I'd like to see if the Horns feel better about moving East. Our academics would be attractive to UT. If ESPN could make the money anywhere close, they might consider it.

(07-22-2021 10:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:12 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

There is no back up plan.....there really isn't a primary plan.

Not his fault, the time for action and plans was 10 years or so ago and ACC choice horribly in every area.

It's all over now but the waiting.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The ACC will fall behind the Big by 20-30 million per team. They will fall behind the SEC 30-45 million. That will have a lasting effect. ND also will start having to dip into reserves, because the market is going to accelerate. ND will not be a top 10 revenue team soon. That is shocking all by itself.

That’s honestly why I think the only aggressive, “smart” play the ACC could make would be to very quickly get ND and Texas on a conference call and say “Hey, you guys want to be big fish AND make a ton of money. Texas, if you join the SEC you can make a boatload of money and be just one of half a million good football schools or you can join the ACC along with ND and make a ton of money and be a power player every year. Hey, ND, you can either wait things out and watch the ACC die while your revenue drops and drops and drops and then come begging to some league you refused for 100 years on their terms, or you can join fully, help the ACC get Texas and decide which world class cities you want to play in routinely (Miami, Atlanta, Austin, Boston anyone?). THAT would be the real way to save the league and benefit everyone involved, but I don’t count on the leadership being smart enough or aggressive enough.

(07-22-2021 10:46 PM)3BNole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:12 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

There is no back up plan.....there really isn't a primary plan.

Not his fault, the time for action and plans was 10 years or so ago and ACC choice horribly in every area.

It's all over now but the waiting.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The ACC will fall behind the Big by 20-30 million per team. They will fall behind the SEC 30-45 million. That will have a lasting effect. ND also will start having to dip into reserves, because the market is going to accelerate. ND will not be a top 10 revenue team soon. That is shocking all by itself.

That’s honestly why I think the only aggressive, “smart” play the ACC could make would be to very quickly get ND and Texas on a conference call and say “Hey, you guys want to be big fish AND make a ton of money. Texas, if you join the SEC you can make a boatload of money and be just one of half a million good football schools or you can join the ACC along with ND and make a ton of money and be a power player every year. Hey, ND, you can either wait things out and watch the ACC die while your revenue drops and drops and drops and then come begging to some league you refused for 100 years on their terms, or you can join fully, help the ACC get Texas and decide which world class cities you want to play in routinely (Miami, Atlanta, Austin, Boston anyone?). THAT would be the real way to save the league and benefit everyone involved, but I don’t count on the leadership being smart enough or aggressive enough.

Well now we have new leadership in this area. Lets just hope that he is as aggressive and idealistic as he needs to be and an outside the box type thinker, for the sake our schools.

(07-22-2021 02:49 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:47 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:11 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 07:32 AM)zibby Wrote:  ACC needs to offer Texas the same deal as Notre Dame. I think they would take that over the SEC.

I do not think so as the Lonhorn network is rumored to not to be renewed. Thus Texas will need to be in a conference that has a 24/7 network and SEC looks to be the best partner as the ACC has said repeatedly that they prefer their schools stay in the eastern timezone.

I think the ACC probably already made the same ND offer to UT. I gave up on the UT partial deal once I saw the increased SEC revenue number. The bottomline is that the LHN (plus the ACCN) cannot keep up with the SEC $$$.

The SEC is going to be hard to beat in terms of $$$. I am not sure what the ACC can do other than try and convince Notre Dame to join. I doubt Notre Dame will join the ACC unless they get forced to by not having access to the playoff. Interestingly that if the Big XII implodes there will be 4 Power conferences which makes a nice round number for the playoffs, although the SEC and B1G would probably want multiple spots in the playoffs.

Playoffs are expanding to 12. Expect a full half or more to be SEC, but ND won't be frozen out. Playoff access won't be a reason for ND to join.

The only reason ND might join is to have some say in what their future schedule and arrangement looks like. As long as they hold independence, it's not on their terms. Do you think they LIKE being committed to 5 ACC games a year? That was the cost to park their other sports there.

I'm old enough to remember when ND would never join a conference. And then well, ok, we'll join a conference, but we won't play for football. And then, ok, we'll play for football but we won't play a full schedule. Then ok, we'll play a full schedule, but only once.

At no point in a hundred years has ND gotten more independent. It only goes one way.

Eventually, you can only work with what's left, and as long as it's not viable to be truly independent, which it unquestionably isn't and hasn't been for decades...you're at the mercy of the landscape, you're not making the landscape.

At some point, it's possible ND decides they want to name their terms on how their independence ends, instead of having it thrust upon them. They could make a call tomorrow to the ACC, and pretty much dictate their terms as far as who the 16th is, whether the ACC plays 8 or 9 conference games, neutral site conference games, an NBC carve-out, whatever.

I don't expect them to do that, I expect them to hold on for another 10 or 20 years. But if (when) the ACC cracks, the end game at that point could very well have ND playing their Olympic sports with the Big East, and cobbling together a 12 game schedule in an environment where all the major programs are playing 9 or 10 game schedules. Or being committed to 5 games a year with an ACC that's been buried financially to the point that competitively they're the AAC, or an ACC that has lost a couple of it's most desirable programs. Or joining the Big 10 on the Big 10's terms.

Add to that the fact that "ND doesn't need the money" doesn't really hold up any more, if you've been looking at the money. When the SEC and B1G schools are making $75, 85, 100M a year from their conference, a pandemic can wipe out a season of stadium revenue, and half your booster funds are headed toward players instead of the program thanks to NIL...there's NO program that doesn't need the money (especially when they purport to care about womens and olympic sports), including Notre Dame.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think ND is going to join any time soon. Who wants to be the bad guy, when some guy ten years from now can be the bad guy? But I guarantee some people are considering what the future is going to look like, and whether they want to be part of making, or have it made upon them. But I don't see anyone having the gravitas to pull the trigger.

I suspect you are correct. The game has changed and it is really not an advantage to be independent when there is a lot more money being in a conference. I am sure someone will run the numbers and at one point they will realize that the amount of money they can make in a conference out weighs the benefit of being independent.

(07-22-2021 04:15 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:49 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:47 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:11 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I do not think so as the Lonhorn network is rumored to not to be renewed. Thus Texas will need to be in a conference that has a 24/7 network and SEC looks to be the best partner as the ACC has said repeatedly that they prefer their schools stay in the eastern timezone.

I think the ACC probably already made the same ND offer to UT. I gave up on the UT partial deal once I saw the increased SEC revenue number. The bottomline is that the LHN (plus the ACCN) cannot keep up with the SEC $$$.

The SEC is going to be hard to beat in terms of $$$. I am not sure what the ACC can do other than try and convince Notre Dame to join. I doubt Notre Dame will join the ACC unless they get forced to by not having access to the playoff. Interestingly that if the Big XII implodes there will be 4 Power conferences which makes a nice round number for the playoffs, although the SEC and B1G would probably want multiple spots in the playoffs.

Playoffs are expanding to 12. Expect a full half or more to be SEC, but ND won't be frozen out. Playoff access won't be a reason for ND to join.

The only reason ND might join is to have some say in what their future schedule and arrangement looks like. As long as they hold independence, it's not on their terms. Do you think they LIKE being committed to 5 ACC games a year? That was the cost to park their other sports there.

I'm old enough to remember when ND would never join a conference. And then well, ok, we'll join a conference, but we won't play for football. And then, ok, we'll play for football but we won't play a full schedule. Then ok, we'll play a full schedule, but only once.

At no point in a hundred years has ND gotten more independent. It only goes one way.

Eventually, you can only work with what's left, and as long as it's not viable to be truly independent, which it unquestionably isn't and hasn't been for decades...you're at the mercy of the landscape, you're not making the landscape.

At some point, it's possible ND decides they want to name their terms on how their independence ends, instead of having it thrust upon them. They could make a call tomorrow to the ACC, and pretty much dictate their terms as far as who the 16th is, whether the ACC plays 8 or 9 conference games, neutral site conference games, an NBC carve-out, whatever.

I don't expect them to do that, I expect them to hold on for another 10 or 20 years. But if (when) the ACC cracks, the end game at that point could very well have ND playing their Olympic sports with the Big East, and cobbling together a 12 game schedule in an environment where all the major programs are playing 9 or 10 game schedules. Or being committed to 5 games a year with an ACC that's been buried financially to the point that competitively they're the AAC, or an ACC that has lost a couple of it's most desirable programs. Or joining the Big 10 on the Big 10's terms.

Add to that the fact that "ND doesn't need the money" doesn't really hold up any more, if you've been looking at the money. When the SEC and B1G schools are making $75, 85, 100M a year from their conference, a pandemic can wipe out a season of stadium revenue, and half your booster funds are headed toward players instead of the program thanks to NIL...there's NO program that doesn't need the money (especially when they purport to care about womens and olympic sports), including Notre Dame.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think ND is going to join any time soon. Who wants to be the bad guy, when some guy ten years from now can be the bad guy? But I guarantee some people are considering what the future is going to look like, and whether they want to be part of making, or have it made upon them. But I don't see anyone having the gravitas to pull the trigger.

I actually can find some agreement with what you wrote. The threat of putting together a schedule is an issue that concerns me. The SEC is adding two more difficult games, will they want another hard out of conference game? The Big 10 may expand and that could tighten our schedule more. The Pac sucks minus Oregon and USC type games. The others are not attractive.

So we will be left with the ACC 5, USC and Navy, Stanford. Four games should be simple but with the narrowing of good choices the schedule could suck. The Big 12 will be seen as a inferior league so I doubt we schedule to much there. Therefore, the games need to come from the Pac and the BiG 10. I do believe you will see the SEC water their OCG down with the additions.

Interesting landscape.

It will be challenging for Notre Dame to put together a decent schedule. I agree with you that the SEC will cut back on their out of conference schedules as they will be playing a lot of tough teams already.

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Well, what can he really say. There is nothing the ACC can do about Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC. The rich get richer (B1G and SEC). At least the ACC will probably be on a par with the PAC 12 in terms of income, but should we well ahead of the new revised Big XII (minus Texas and Oklahoma).

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

I suppose the ACC could pick off any of the remaining programs in the Big XII but I am not sure of whether that would increase the revenues for the ACC. Perhaps Kansas might make the ACC even stronger in basketball.

(07-22-2021 10:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:12 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

There is no back up plan.....there really isn't a primary plan.

Not his fault, the time for action and plans was 10 years or so ago and ACC choice horribly in every area.

It's all over now but the waiting.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The ACC will fall behind the Big by 20-30 million per team. They will fall behind the SEC 30-45 million. That will have a lasting effect. ND also will start having to dip into reserves, because the market is going to accelerate. ND will not be a top 10 revenue team soon. That is shocking all by itself.

I think the ACC will be behind both the B1G and SEC by at least 30 million in a few years. Notre Dame will find out that their income will be less than the ACC teams.
There is a chance though, with all of the streaming services who may pay up for more content from the ACC as these companies are loaded with $$$ (Apple, Amazon, Disney, Netflix, Comcast (NBC), Paramount+ (CBS), Warner Brothers Discovery), Youtube TV (Google) and they all need more content

(07-22-2021 10:46 PM)3BNole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:12 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

There is no back up plan.....there really isn't a primary plan.

Not his fault, the time for action and plans was 10 years or so ago and ACC choice horribly in every area.

It's all over now but the waiting.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The ACC will fall behind the Big by 20-30 million per team. They will fall behind the SEC 30-45 million. That will have a lasting effect. ND also will start having to dip into reserves, because the market is going to accelerate. ND will not be a top 10 revenue team soon. That is shocking all by itself.

That’s honestly why I think the only aggressive, “smart” play the ACC could make would be to very quickly get ND and Texas on a conference call and say “Hey, you guys want to be big fish AND make a ton of money. Texas, if you join the SEC you can make a boatload of money and be just one of half a million good football schools or you can join the ACC along with ND and make a ton of money and be a power player every year. Hey, ND, you can either wait things out and watch the ACC die while your revenue drops and drops and drops and then come begging to some league you refused for 100 years on their terms, or you can join fully, help the ACC get Texas and decide which world class cities you want to play in routinely (Miami, Atlanta, Austin, Boston anyone?). THAT would be the real way to save the league and benefit everyone involved, but I don’t count on the leadership being smart enough or aggressive enough.

That would be super aggressive but probably a wise move if the ACC wants to try to resist falling further behind the SEC and B1G in terms of $$$. It is really going to be bad for the ACC southern teams because the SEC is going to become an even bigger and more populer league than they were. Texas does care about academics and joining the SEC is probably not something that they will relish as they have better academics than all of the SEC schools other than Vandrebilt.

It looks like this is no longer a rumor and it is true that Texas and Oklahoma are quite far along in their negotiations with the SEC.
Here is a ESPN article confirming it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-texas-sec

Texas and Oklahoma did not show up on the conference call, so it looks like they are quite far along in the process.

The ACC can take action and try and get a school or more from the Big XII as they will be seeing a big drop in revenue once Texas and Oklahoma leave. I wonder whether the B1G is trying to get in there and negotiate with Texas and Oklahoma. They probably could offer the same or possibly more than the SEC and they have a lot better academics than the SEC. Texas cares a lot about academics but i am not sure about Oklahoma

(07-23-2021 12:54 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:49 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:03 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:47 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:11 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I do not think so as the Lonhorn network is rumored to not to be renewed. Thus Texas will need to be in a conference that has a 24/7 network and SEC looks to be the best partner as the ACC has said repeatedly that they prefer their schools stay in the eastern timezone.

I think the ACC probably already made the same ND offer to UT. I gave up on the UT partial deal once I saw the increased SEC revenue number. The bottomline is that the LHN (plus the ACCN) cannot keep up with the SEC $$$.

The SEC is going to be hard to beat in terms of $$$. I am not sure what the ACC can do other than try and convince Notre Dame to join. I doubt Notre Dame will join the ACC unless they get forced to by not having access to the playoff. Interestingly that if the Big XII implodes there will be 4 Power conferences which makes a nice round number for the playoffs, although the SEC and B1G would probably want multiple spots in the playoffs.

Playoffs are expanding to 12. Expect a full half or more to be SEC, but ND won't be frozen out. Playoff access won't be a reason for ND to join.

The only reason ND might join is to have some say in what their future schedule and arrangement looks like. As long as they hold independence, it's not on their terms. Do you think they LIKE being committed to 5 ACC games a year? That was the cost to park their other sports there.

I'm old enough to remember when ND would never join a conference. And then well, ok, we'll join a conference, but we won't play for football. And then, ok, we'll play for football but we won't play a full schedule. Then ok, we'll play a full schedule, but only once.

At no point in a hundred years has ND gotten more independent. It only goes one way.

Eventually, you can only work with what's left, and as long as it's not viable to be truly independent, which it unquestionably isn't and hasn't been for decades...you're at the mercy of the landscape, you're not making the landscape.

At some point, it's possible ND decides they want to name their terms on how their independence ends, instead of having it thrust upon them. They could make a call tomorrow to the ACC, and pretty much dictate their terms as far as who the 16th is, whether the ACC plays 8 or 9 conference games, neutral site conference games, an NBC carve-out, whatever.

I don't expect them to do that, I expect them to hold on for another 10 or 20 years. But if (when) the ACC cracks, the end game at that point could very well have ND playing their Olympic sports with the Big East, and cobbling together a 12 game schedule in an environment where all the major programs are playing 9 or 10 game schedules. Or being committed to 5 games a year with an ACC that's been buried financially to the point that competitively they're the AAC, or an ACC that has lost a couple of it's most desirable programs. Or joining the Big 10 on the Big 10's terms.

Add to that the fact that "ND doesn't need the money" doesn't really hold up any more, if you've been looking at the money. When the SEC and B1G schools are making $75, 85, 100M a year from their conference, a pandemic can wipe out a season of stadium revenue, and half your booster funds are headed toward players instead of the program thanks to NIL...there's NO program that doesn't need the money (especially when they purport to care about womens and olympic sports), including Notre Dame.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think ND is going to join any time soon. Who wants to be the bad guy, when some guy ten years from now can be the bad guy? But I guarantee some people are considering what the future is going to look like, and whether they want to be part of making, or have it made upon them. But I don't see anyone having the gravitas to pull the trigger.

I suspect you are correct. The game has changed and it is really not an advantage to be independent when there is a lot more money being in a conference. I am sure someone will run the numbers and at one point they will realize that the amount of money they can make in a conference out weighs the benefit of being independent.

ND ran those numbers years ago, and runs them all the time.

Jack Swarbrick has said repeatedly that ND leaves lots of money on the table as an independent, and has for years.

It isn't like this is a new idea. ND has always been okay with leaving that money behind.

The Irish have always thought that independence is worth that.

(07-23-2021 01:08 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:12 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Jim Phillips on the SEC expansion:

Phillips expressed confidence in the ACC’s current position.

“It’s tough to deal with speculation and hypotheticals, etc.,” Phillips said. “What I’ll tell you is I went to bed feeling great about our 15 schools. I wouldn’t trade any of our 15 schools for anything. I think we’re in great position as we look forward to, not only today, but into the future.”

Phillips touched on one of the league’s reasons for optimism the previous day, praising its relationship with Notre Dame and declaring that the league is constantly looking to bring the Fighting Irish into the fold for football.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...NewsSearch

Obviously, ND is his first and primary target.

Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

There is no back up plan.....there really isn't a primary plan.

Not his fault, the time for action and plans was 10 years or so ago and ACC choice horribly in every area.

It's all over now but the waiting.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The ACC will fall behind the Big by 20-30 million per team. They will fall behind the SEC 30-45 million. That will have a lasting effect. ND also will start having to dip into reserves, because the market is going to accelerate. ND will not be a top 10 revenue team soon. That is shocking all by itself.

I think the ACC will be behind both the B1G and SEC by at least 30 million in a few years. Notre Dame will find out that their income will be less than the ACC teams.
There is a chance though, with all of the streaming services who may pay up for more content from the ACC as these companies are loaded with $$$ (Apple, Amazon, Disney, Netflix, Comcast (NBC), Paramount+ (CBS), Warner Brothers Discovery), Youtube TV (Google) and they all need more content

ND is going to start charging subscriptions for the streaming Fighting Irish TV platform.

https://thestreamable.com/ar/news/notre-...tion-model

ND is going to negotiate a new TV deal soon, its current contract ends in 2025 (not 2036).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ough-2025/

ND is in a much better revenue position/potential than the ACC schools are.

TerryD, this is a game changer and may be the point in time that Notre Dame climbs off of their high horse and has to mingle with the common folk.

Notre Dame is in a position to either save college football or watch it be destroyed. The question is: will they do the right thing? or will they succumb to the sin of greed?

Greed like everyone else...

If Notre Dame puts its football in the ACC for any reason other than the playoffs, I wouldn't think it would be motivated by money, but something else: scheduling. It's certainly conceivable that it becomes nearly impossible to find enough quality P5 opponents to build a decent schedule as an independent. That hasn't happened yet, but it's not hard to imagine that it could.

I also agree with Lou's point earlier that it the Irish wait too long, they could find themselves in that position (no P5 opponents part of the year), but without any good conference options. It's absolutely a game of brinksmanship the Irish are playing: the fewer viable conference options they have remaining, the less freedom they have, until at some point they could be forced to decide between joing the SEC or the Big Ten...

Do we think OU+Texas to the SEC is a done deal? I know JRSEC would say "Yes", but then, he's an SEC guy. There are PROs, but also CONs for everybody involved...

The biggest PRO: Money, and lots of it.
For Texas and OU, an extra $25-$30M/year, minimum.
For the rest of the SEC, it's hard to say - maybe a few extra million each?

Now for the CONs:
1. Texas A&M is opposed - but the rest of the SEC could simply outvote them.
2. The Big XII GoR - this means all those SEC-at-Texas/OU games would technically belong to the Big XII. We're either talking a massive buyout (4 seasons worth) or have 16 teams share the revenue of 14 (albeit probably a higher revenue) until the SEC can negotiate for all 16 teams
3. Exit Fees - in addition to the GoR, the Big XII also imposes exit fee equivalent to 2 years of payouts, plus you get no payouts from the day you notify them you're leaving until you go.
4. State legistlatures of Texas, Oklahoma - will the Horns and Sooners be allowed to leave their little brothers behind? Texas seems to have timed this to coincide with a break in the state legislature (which, for some reason, doesn't reconvene until 2023!), but that doesn't mean they're 100% in the clear.
5. Tougher road to the playoffs - not sure how many playoff teams there will be once the smoke clears, but I am sure of one thing: it's harder to win the SEC than the Big XII. The flip side: it will be even harder than before to win the SEC once these two are added.
6. More losses for bottom SEC teams - it was already hard to get to 6 or more games before; now it will be that much harder for teams like Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss. State... but also Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina. Adding these two may mean the difference between going to a bowl and staying at home.
BONUS, for Texas only: the LHN contract goes through 2031, and while it may not be renewed, the Longhorns are looking at an escalating payout that's estimated to be worth $300 million between now and the expiration date - so independence is absolutely an option for Texas!

All the gory details are here: https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/...o-sec.html

Why not try to convince Texas A&M to jump ship? If this happens they will be very disgruntled with sharing a conference with Texas. See if that could convince ND to join and try to get Duke and Wake to drop football. I think you go divisionless and have permanent rivals that you would play yearly. Agree to put all the football first schools together.

Texas A&M would get Clemson, FSU, VT and ND yearly. Then rotate the remaining teams and base the conference championship on the two highest ranked teams according to CFP.

"Texas A&M, how would you like to make half as much money while playing every road game in another time zone?"


Come on, don't be silly.

Texas and Oklahoma would become irrelevant in the SEC.

(07-23-2021 04:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:08 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 10:12 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Only, and that is an exercise in futility. It concerns me that he is centrally focused on ND as the solution. Conferences have died waiting for us to join, there has to be a back-up plan.

His kids go to ND and he is Catholic so there is that.

There is no back up plan.....there really isn't a primary plan.

Not his fault, the time for action and plans was 10 years or so ago and ACC choice horribly in every area.

It's all over now but the waiting.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The ACC will fall behind the Big by 20-30 million per team. They will fall behind the SEC 30-45 million. That will have a lasting effect. ND also will start having to dip into reserves, because the market is going to accelerate. ND will not be a top 10 revenue team soon. That is shocking all by itself.

I think the ACC will be behind both the B1G and SEC by at least 30 million in a few years. Notre Dame will find out that their income will be less than the ACC teams.
There is a chance though, with all of the streaming services who may pay up for more content from the ACC as these companies are loaded with $$$ (Apple, Amazon, Disney, Netflix, Comcast (NBC), Paramount+ (CBS), Warner Brothers Discovery), Youtube TV (Google) and they all need more content

ND is going to start charging subscriptions for the streaming Fighting Irish TV platform.

https://thestreamable.com/ar/news/notre-...tion-model

ND is going to negotiate a new TV deal soon, its current contract ends in 2025 (not 2036).

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ough-2025/

ND is in a much better revenue position/potential than the ACC schools are.

I gotta agree with Terry here.

Notre Dame will fall behind the SEC and Big Ten IF ( a huge gigantic, enormous IF) they continue doing things the way they are now.

ND can totally start cashing in like Texas (and other schools) have for decades by pimping out their football program.

The naming rights for Notre Dame Stadium with Touchdown Jesus ... how much do you think THAT could bring in? I'd wager at least as much as the Longhorn Network which was a cool $300 million dollars to Texas.

Welcome to Netflix Notre Dame Stadium .. or whatever, that would be a big price tag.

They could have all kinds of corporate sponsors during the games, llke a whole lot of schools do now. There is ZERO corporate signage in ND Stadium. Start with that, and begin cashing checks.

Notre Dame could turn on the spigot, and instantly start bringing in tons of money.


Now ... those kinds of moves WILL tick off some of the old guard. But falling behind in revenue may make those people grit their teeth and bare it.