Say I own a local car dealership and donate to school X's athletic fund every year. Now I can pay the star QB to endorse my business keep him from transferring .I feel like I am helping the school but not directly. This will cause a drop in athletic donations hurting mid level programs the most.

There will be a number of unintended consequences that I am fascinated to see how it unfolds.

1) when select student-athletes begin making more than the assistant coaches or even head coaches.
2) when, in football for example, the QB regularly becomes the top earner and easily gains more value than other positions, like the O-Line. Could that cause internal locker room turmoil?
3) if/when 3*/4*, sensing that they will be down on the depth chart at any major program, chooses to go to a lower school to start and potentially earn more money.

The coming months/years will be interesting to say the least.

(07-03-2021 11:13 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Say I own a local car dealership and donate to school X's athletic fund every year. Now I can pay the star QB to endorse my business keep him from transferring .I feel like I am helping the school but not directly. This will cause a drop in athletic donations hurting mid level programs the most.

Not just the local car dealership. What happens when Nike and Adidas realize they don't have to subsidize entire athletic programs when they can just cherry pick the athletes they want instead?

I would say these are intended consequences of NIL

(07-03-2021 11:13 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Say I own a local car dealership and donate to school X's athletic fund every year. Now I can pay the star QB to endorse my business keep him from transferring .I feel like I am helping the school but not directly. This will cause a drop in athletic donations hurting mid level programs the most.

Why wouldn't it hurt the elite programs more? They are the ones with the 5-star players. And they receive lots more donations now than the mid-level programs.

(07-03-2021 11:13 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Say I own a local car dealership and donate to school X's athletic fund every year. Now I can pay the star QB to endorse my business keep him from transferring .I feel like I am helping the school but not directly. This will cause a drop in athletic donations hurting mid level programs the most.

I think this will be more of a problem for smaller G5 programs located in smaller markets, where there are fewer businesses opportunities. Large G5 programs in higher populated areas should not only have more businesses to partner with, but their athletes will probably be able to command higher prices. It will be an interesting story to follow over the next few years.

The money will flow even more to the elite programs. It's all about marketing and exposure. The best player on ECU is worth only a fraction what the 15th best player on Alabama or Ohio State is worth.

(07-03-2021 11:13 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Say I own a local car dealership and donate to school X's athletic fund every year. Now I can pay the star QB to endorse my business keep him from transferring .I feel like I am helping the school but not directly. This will cause a drop in athletic donations hurting mid level programs the most.

It absolutely will. Same thing when pay for play comes. The unintended consequences is players will be paid more and coaches will be paid less. Buying a good coach will be less important than buying good players.

(07-03-2021 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 11:13 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Say I own a local car dealership and donate to school X's athletic fund every year. Now I can pay the star QB to endorse my business keep him from transferring .I feel like I am helping the school but not directly. This will cause a drop in athletic donations hurting mid level programs the most.

It absolutely will. Same thing when pay for play comes. The unintended consequences is players will be paid more and coaches will be paid less. Buying a good coach will be less important than buying good players.

I'm all for coaches, including assistants, to be paid less and a market correction for their salaries occurs. Athletic departments are like churches, need to spend the money because they cannot just save it, thus a church "building fund" and a department capital improvement fund in lieu of paying the labor

So are colleges expecting to pay $50m to the roster so they can make $20m from TV, etc? That doesn't seem like good business sense.
Like I've mentioned before, I don't know why anyone would pay the OU QB anything. He's just a stop gap, the OU brand is the driver of $$$.

mid level athletic departments typically don't get much money from local business sponsorships anyway....

(07-03-2021 01:08 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The money will flow even more to the elite programs. It's all about marketing and exposure. The best player on ECU is worth only a fraction what the 15th best player on Alabama or Ohio State is worth.

Whether that is true or not depends ENTIRELY on who is doing the buying, and what sort of deal they're looking for.

If I'm a Greenville BBQ joint, the best pitcher at ECU is absolutely worth more money to me than Ohio State's defensive tackle....

(07-03-2021 06:14 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  So are colleges expecting to pay $50m to the roster so they can make $20m from TV, etc? That doesn't seem like good business sense.
Like I've mentioned before, I don't know why anyone would pay the OU QB anything. He's just a stop gap, the OU brand is the driver of $$$.

OU isn't paying the kid, sone big car dealer is.

*still probably not good business sense)

This is the most concerning unintended consequence right now for the University of Hawaii, which recruits many of its best athletes from abroad:

Non-athlete students and their parents/families are going to have duck fits if pay-for-play comes in -- and may even with NIL -- when publicity shows how much student-athletes make. This will be especially true at G5 and lower-level programs where mandatory athletic fees fund 20-70% of the athletic budgets. At the very least, they could demand that fees not be mandatory. Then what?

Too many articles done on how hard it is to find out exactly what individual schools charge; just Google the topic. Most media studies have been incomplete. Many schools "hide" athletic fees in with "general fees" or "activity fees." Why do you think?

Also, a ton of articles on the high and rising cost of higher education, student loans, etc. Fees are usually included in loans, meaning interest is also paid.

I’ve been wary of the transfer flexibility issues, but also how some of these top programs “over-recruit” and only further burden the transfer option. Now we have this portal. And now NIL?

Some think this will keep athletes in school longer to enjoy the benefit. For the juniors and seniors/5-years, sure. For the first years and second years? Incoming commitments? It’s going to be bloody **** if they don’t have something lined up if going into one of the factory programs. And then they bludgeon the portal. And then other rosters. And those rosters’ talent.

Schools might be able to leverage taking on kids with select deals or revenue cache to create “super teams.” Like what is/was going on in AAU and college basketball. The idea that you can totally have a Nike school with legit Nike kids.

I don’t know where it’s ultimately going to go, but, if I had to guess? Those like Hartford who steer things hard into D3 to get ahead of things getting worse will increase. Smaller schools will not want to over-involve themselves with this.

Eventually gifts will be legal because there's no point in them not being legal now.

You want to entice a recruit pay him $5000 for an autographed ball or his crayon drawings after he signs.

(07-03-2021 09:37 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  Non-athlete students and their parents/families are going to have duck fits if pay-for-play comes in -- and may even with NIL -- when publicity shows how much student-athletes make. This will be especially true at G5 and lower-level programs where mandatory athletic fees fund 20-70% of the athletic budgets. At the very least, they could demand that fees not be mandatory. Then what?

Too many articles done on how hard it is to find out exactly what individual schools charge; just Google the topic. Most media studies have been incomplete. Many schools "hide" athletic fees in with "general fees" or "activity fees." Why do you think?

Also, a ton of articles on the high and rising cost of higher education, student loans, etc. Fees are usually included in loans, meaning interest is also paid.

If the students don't want to pay the fees, then drop the sports. Companies can only charge what the customer will pay. If students don't want to pay for sports, less students will enroll & the university will drop the athletics fees to attract more students. Should have happened 20 years ago. No reason for 350+ NCAA D-1 schools to exist.

(07-04-2021 11:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Eventually gifts will be legal because there's no point in them not being legal now.

You want to entice a recruit pay him $5000 for an autographed ball or his crayon drawings after he signs.

Absolutely correct - there is no legal reason why this transaction shouldn't be perfectly fine in America.

(07-04-2021 12:36 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(07-04-2021 11:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Eventually gifts will be legal because there's no point in them not being legal now.

You want to entice a recruit pay him $5000 for an autographed ball or his crayon drawings after he signs.

Absolutely correct - there is no legal reason why this transaction shouldn't be perfectly fine in America.

What you said. Make everything that was done in dark rooms and under the table for almost a century out in the open. College Athletics is a Multi Billion Dollar Commercial Enterprise....period....