(07-01-2021 12:18 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  ran into a well known member of our bball team at lunch

gave him $100 to sign his autograph on a napkin

did i do it right?

Now you gotta report it to MaximUM.

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

Would it be though? We are talking about "fair market value". Does the same player not have a higher FMV at a school like Duke than a school like Iona?

Or think of Deandre Williams. Is his FMV not higher at Memphis than it was at Evansville?

NBA players tend to lean toward big markets because of better exposure and better sponsorship opportunities.

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

The NCAA does not have the manpower… the will… or the resources to litigate each FMV-based transfer. Who determines FMV? Isn’t “the market” & the market value for an item typically what another person is willing to pay.

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

I don't think more money to go to a bigger school is a red flag.

FMV increases when the athlete is more prominent.

(07-02-2021 09:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

I don't think more money to go to a bigger school is a red flag.

FMV increases when the athlete is more prominent.

So, G5 schools will be minor league training grounds for P5 programs? Nike rep to a 3star kid… “Go play a couple of years with Memphis get some experience, and then we’ll push Alabama to bring you in”

Will kids that move to Alabama to Memphis for “more money” be investigated because the move couldn’t be for increased market value?

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

Don’t they already do this?

The poor kids just needs to get paid. ..

Watching you dumb dumbs starting to figure this out is fun

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(07-02-2021 10:05 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 09:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

I don't think more money to go to a bigger school is a red flag.

FMV increases when the athlete is more prominent.

So, G5 schools will be minor league training grounds for P5 programs? Nike rep to a 3star kid… “Go play a couple of years with Memphis get some experience, and then we’ll push Alabama to bring you in”

Will kids that move to Alabama to Memphis for “more money” be investigated because the move couldn’t be for increased market value?

Ding ding ding!!! That is exactly what is going to play out. And when a school does not want a player anymore, they do not even have to really cut the scholarship, the "sponsorships" will just magically disappear for them.

The benefit for Memphis. We will be viewed as one of the top G5 training grounds in football and in basketball we will be get to be the one using smaller programs as training grounds...

The bottom line is very simple. Anything that allows more money to flow into the system, and requires more money to keep up, is bad for us. If there was a salary cap or a cap on spending, it would help us.

(07-02-2021 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

Would it be though? We are talking about "fair market value". Does the same player not have a higher FMV at a school like Duke than a school like Iona?

Or think of Deandre Williams. Is his FMV not higher at Memphis than it was at Evansville?

NBA players tend to lean toward big markets because of better exposure and better sponsorship opportunities.

Maybe. Just thinking through the statements the NCAA has made, they keep bringing up "enticement to attend a certain school" as taboo. For sure, Deandre improved his FMV. Did Landers? It gets interesting.

(07-02-2021 08:48 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

The NCAA does not have the manpower… the will… or the resources to litigate each FMV-based transfer. Who determines FMV? Isn’t “the market” & the market value for an item typically what another person is willing to pay.

I agree the NCAA is not ready for this. Many continue to keep wanting "guardrails". Ultimately, it seems this will be wide open - at least for a few years.

(07-02-2021 10:05 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 09:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

I don't think more money to go to a bigger school is a red flag.

FMV increases when the athlete is more prominent.

So, G5 schools will be minor league training grounds for P5 programs? Nike rep to a 3star kid… “Go play a couple of years with Memphis get some experience, and then we’ll push Alabama to bring you in”

Will kids that move to Alabama to Memphis for “more money” be investigated because the move couldn’t be for increased market value?

In the absence of guardrails, I suppose it comes down to whether the quid pro quo is provable. The NCAA is saying you can't entice a recruit to sign with NIL offers. But FMV can certainly change dependent upon the school.

I guess it's the equivalent of the old bag men. If you pay in cash and deny everything (e.g. Will Wade) nothing is done. If you admit to something, (e.g. Memphis) they will nail you. It still goes back to what they can prove.

How bad would it look if the NCAA rules that "fair market value" varies by how prominent the school or how big the market. I can only get $5 for my signature at Akron but I can get 50 for it at Alabama. They're going to have to come up with something else.

(07-02-2021 02:30 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  How bad would it look if the NCAA rules that "fair market value" varies by how prominent the school or how big the market. I can only get $5 for my signature at Akron but I can get 50 for it at Alabama. They're going to have to come up with something else.

It's why they want guardrails. But the enforcement of that is beyond their capabilities and reach. And congress along with the courts have implied they won't stand for it.

(07-02-2021 10:05 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 09:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 01:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?

They would have to be careful. About the only way I've seen where the NCAA can get you is if it is proven the money was an enticement to attend a certain school. (A bit silly, but it's the NCAA.) So if players begin transferring and immediately getting bigger deals, that would be a red flag.

I don't think more money to go to a bigger school is a red flag.

FMV increases when the athlete is more prominent.

So, G5 schools will be minor league training grounds for P5 programs? Nike rep to a 3star kid… “Go play a couple of years with Memphis get some experience, and then we’ll push Alabama to bring you in”

Will kids that move to Alabama to Memphis for “more money” be investigated because the move couldn’t be for increased market value?

And Saban is supposed to just accept the player? If the player doesn't fit a need I don't think it will be anywhere near as easy as you make it sound.

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(07-03-2021 02:30 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  https://www.audacy.com/wwl/local-sports/...s-freshman

Wow, I think this is a huge step in the right direction. One thing I wonder though, all of these companies typically have a set amount of dollars allotted for sports marketing, so I wonder what the ripple effect will be and which segments of people/advertising are going to lose advertisement dollars.

(07-03-2021 09:25 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 02:30 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  https://www.audacy.com/wwl/local-sports/...s-freshman

Wow, I think this is a huge step in the right direction. One thing I wonder though, all of these companies typically have a set amount of dollars allotted for sports marketing, so I wonder what the ripple effect will be and which segments of people/advertising are going to lose advertisement dollars.

I believe, ultimately, the revenue sports will pull away from colleges and universities and be operated as separate entities… the mission’s of the two will simply become incompatible. Perhaps they’ll pay the schools to use their name and provide the a percentage of the revenue, but they’ll have to separate.