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Rice Scores C-USA Best in NCAA Directors' Cup D-I
Full results: https://nacda.com/documents/2021/7/1//Ju...df?id=4339

Rice's 198 points, driven by our women's programs, is good for #88 overall out of 293 (E: points-earning) schools and is the highest in C-USA. Even Marshall's men's soccer title only garnered a tie for #113 since they earned no points in any other sports.

Texas won this year with 1,252 points, ending #2 Stanford's 25-year streak. If it weren't for COVID decimating the Cardinal women's volleyball team, they likely would have won again.

And for those looking for the P5-G5 divide, the highest non-P5 was BYU at #17, then you have to work all the way down to #51 for non-football Denver and #53 for FCS North Carolina A&T. The highest school in a G5 conference was the Air Force Academy at #65.

Texas schools
#1 UT
#19 A&M
#29 Baylor
#43 Tech
#45 TCU
#71 SHSU
#76 Houston
#88 Rice
#117 SFA
#125 SMU
#153 A&M Corpus Christi
#166 Texas State
#174 UNT
#195 UTSA
#215 ACU
#233 UIW
#252 Prairie View
#255 TSU
#287 UTEP, HBU, UT-A

E: I noticed that Cornell was right at the bottom, one spot out of last, so I decided to look back to see where the rest of the Ivy League wound up. They only placed Brown, Princeton, and Cornell, so there's some number of non-scoring schools that would push the total over 300. Looking at the official directory of D-I women's basketball teams, there were probably 355 schools competing for this award.
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Tech SHSU and UH being higher than us is a disappointment. SHSU clearly buoyed by their FCS championship, but still. UH and Tech??

Does anyone remember how we scored in 2003 when we won an NC in baseball?? Maybe such things are just all but impossible for other schools to overcome??
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(07-02-2021 12:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Tech SHSU and UH being higher than us is a disappointment. SHSU clearly buoyed by their FCS championship, but still. UH and Tech??

Does anyone remember how we scored in 2003 when we won an NC in baseball?? Maybe such things are just all but impossible for other schools to overcome??

Houston was in the Final Four in men's basketball.
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First time since the early 1990s that Stanford did not win. If the grumbling on the Cardboard is correct, NACDA changed the scoring rules so someone else could win for s change.
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(07-02-2021 01:36 PM)Ranger Wrote:  First time since the early 1990s that Stanford did not win. If the grumbling on the Cardboard is correct, NACDA changed the scoring rules so someone else Texas could win for s change.
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(07-02-2021 12:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Does anyone remember how we scored in 2003 when we won an NC in baseball??

This wasn't as easy to find as I'd hoped.

The NACDA's 2002-03 results were released on June 26, 2003. But their current website for that announcement (https://nacda.com/sports/2018/7/17/direc...-html.aspx) does not include the pdf of full results (or a link to it).

It's also not on the Internet Archives' Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://na...-html.aspx

And it was not mentioned in any of the Thresher issues I searched or the two Rice Sallyport magazines published after we won the NC: https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/h...sAllowed=y ... and ... https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/h...sAllowed=y

There IS a copy of the final 2002-03 standings in the Woodson (Folder 24 here: https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/taro/ricew...860.html).

I was on the verge of asking Melissa Kean (or a non-retired archives colleague) to retrieve a copy for me ... when Google pointed me to this, in the July 9, 2003, issue of the Summer Kent Stater:

[Image: 51285666668_5bb836b783.jpg]

Quote:Kent State athletics program finished its season 72nd in the 2002-03 Sears Director’s Cup ... (with) 223.5 points ... one point ahead of the University of New Hampshire and 7.5 points behind Rice University, who earned more points for winning the baseball championship.
(Source: https://dks.library.kent.edu/?a=d&d=sks20030709-01.2.15)

>> So in the 2002-03 ranking, we were 71st, with 231 points. <<

BTW, this 2015 Rice news release (https://riceowls.com/news/2015/6/25/Owls..._Standings) said that year's result -- 84th with 233 points -- was the Owls' "best result since they finished 64th with 326 points during the 2008-09 academic year."

Also, this Aug. 20, 2004, Thresher (https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/h...sAllowed=y) features excellent articles by two Parliamentarians: Amber Obermeyer mentioned that Rice finished 89th in the 2003-04 Director's Cup standings (in an entertaining column about why she's happy she chose Rice over Duke) ... and next to it, Jonathan Yardley reported on our Big Three pitchers being drafted in the Top 8 of the 2004 MLB draft.
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(07-02-2021 12:10 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  Full results: https://nacda.com/documents/2021/7/1//Ju...df?id=4339

Rice's 198 points, driven by our women's programs, is good for #88 overall out of 293 (E: points-earning) schools and is the highest in C-USA. Even Marshall's men's soccer title only garnered a tie for #113 since they earned no points in any other sports.

Texas won this year with 1,252 points, ending #2 Stanford's 25-year streak. If it weren't for COVID decimating the Cardinal women's volleyball team, they likely would have won again.

And for those looking for the P5-G5 divide, the highest non-P5 was BYU at #17, then you have to work all the way down to #51 for non-football Denver and #53 for FCS North Carolina A&T. The highest school in a G5 conference was the Air Force Academy at #65.

Texas schools
#1 UT
#19 A&M
#29 Baylor
#43 Tech
#45 TCU
#71 SHSU
#76 Houston
#88 Rice
#117 SFA
#125 SMU
#153 A&M Corpus Christi
#166 Texas State
#174 UNT
#195 UTSA
#215 ACU
#233 UIW
#252 Prairie View
#255 TSU
#287 UTEP, HBU, UT-A

E: I noticed that Cornell was right at the bottom, one spot out of last, so I decided to look back to see where the rest of the Ivy League wound up. They only placed Brown, Princeton, and Cornell, so there's some number of non-scoring schools that would push the total over 300. Looking at the official directory of D-I women's basketball teams, there were probably 355 schools competing for this award.

Since Ivy league cancelled all sports this year, finishing last for an Ivy school is not so bad.
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I only see the spring breakdown. Does anyone know how many points we lost by the Covid situation in the VB tournament (assuming we would have won that first round match)? And if we got any points at all for the women's basketball NIT victory (probably not).
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The vitriol against Stanford by some on this board is absurd.
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I see no vitriol. If I have negative feelings about anybody, it is Texas, but even then I would consider it far short of vitriol.
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It wasn’t about today’s comments, it is just a general observation. Somehow people have extended their dislike of our AD to the entire school that he came from.
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(07-02-2021 08:42 PM)seniorowl Wrote:  It wasn’t about today’s comments, it is just a general observation. Somehow people have extended their dislike of our AD to the entire school that he came from.

In my case, I think the discontent with the university as a whole precedes any discontent with our AD. I was actually okay with Joe until the Wayne Graham deal. I have been discontented with the university as a whole for over a decade.
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(07-02-2021 08:23 PM)seniorowl Wrote:  The vitriol against Stanford by some on this board is absurd.

No vitriol here. I am passionate (in a positive sense) about Stanford sports.

And I hope Stanford WBB destroys UW.
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(07-02-2021 02:11 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 12:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Does anyone remember how we scored in 2003 when we won an NC in baseball??

This wasn't as easy to find as I'd hoped.

The NACDA's 2002-03 results were released on June 26, 2003. But their current website for that announcement (https://nacda.com/sports/2018/7/17/direc...-html.aspx) does not include the pdf of full results (or a link to it).

It's also not on the Internet Archives' Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://na...-html.aspx

And it was not mentioned in any of the Thresher issues I searched or the two Rice Sallyport magazines published after we won the NC: https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/h...sAllowed=y ... and ... https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/h...sAllowed=y

There IS a copy of the final 2002-03 standings in the Woodson (Folder 24 here: https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/taro/ricew...860.html).

I was on the verge of asking Melissa Kean (or a non-retired archives colleague) to retrieve a copy for me ... when Google pointed me to this, in the July 9, 2003, issue of the Summer Kent Stater:

[Image: 51285666668_5bb836b783.jpg]

Quote:Kent State athletics program finished its season 72nd in the 2002-03 Sears Director’s Cup ... (with) 223.5 points ... one point ahead of the University of New Hampshire and 7.5 points behind Rice University, who earned more points for winning the baseball championship.
(Source: https://dks.library.kent.edu/?a=d&d=sks20030709-01.2.15)

>> So in the 2002-03 ranking, we were 71st, with 231 points. <<

BTW, this 2015 Rice news release (https://riceowls.com/news/2015/6/25/Owls..._Standings) said that year's result -- 84th with 233 points -- was the Owls' "best result since they finished 64th with 326 points during the 2008-09 academic year."

Also, this Aug. 20, 2004, Thresher (https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/h...sAllowed=y) features excellent articles by two Parliamentarians: Amber Obermeyer mentioned that Rice finished 89th in the 2003-04 Director's Cup standings (in an entertaining column about why she's happy she chose Rice over Duke) ... and next to it, Jonathan Yardley reported on our Big Three pitchers being drafted in the Top 8 of the 2004 MLB draft.


Excellent research!

I’m a big fan of the Directors Cup competition…

I’ll mention myself here only because I started a thread on here one time to follow the standings (the thread fell flat, much like our teams’ results that particular year). That, and there’s (almost) no way you could find my modest Thresher contributions even if I spotted you the year. (They were anonymous/uncredited)
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Thank God for women's sports, because we wouldn't be anywhere nearly that high on the strength of our men's showings.
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(07-03-2021 02:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Thank God for women's sports, because we wouldn't be anywhere nearly that high on the strength of our men's showings.

Need to improve both.
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(07-03-2021 10:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-03-2021 02:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Thank God for women's sports, because we wouldn't be anywhere nearly that high on the strength of our men's showings.
Need to improve both.

Absolutely. We are in a position where we should be able to dominate CUSA in both.

Nowhere else in CUSA can offer an education even remotely approaching the quality of education that Rice offers. Nowhere else in CUSA has the long-standing relationships with P5 powers that affords the scheduling and exposure opportunities, and financial opportunities for the school, that CUSA can offer.

We can and should be dominating CUSA. We aren't.
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(07-02-2021 07:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I only see the spring breakdown. Does anyone know how many points we lost by the Covid situation in the VB tournament (assuming we would have won that first round match)? And if we got any points at all for the women's basketball NIT victory (probably not).

Only top 10 in a sport get points

Sam Houston got it’s points from D1 football national title largely but also men’s golf got on the board. Need to double check but as a regional finalist, SHSU bowling likely was a top 10 too. SHSU was a top 10 men’s standings finisher
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(07-02-2021 02:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 01:36 PM)Ranger Wrote:  First time since the early 1990s that Stanford did not win. If the grumbling on the Cardboard is correct, NACDA changed the scoring rules so someone else Texas could win for s change.

Changing rules so TexasU could win? Really? Now, that's never happened, has it?
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(07-03-2021 12:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 02:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 01:36 PM)Ranger Wrote:  First time since the early 1990s that Stanford did not win. If the grumbling on the Cardboard is correct, NACDA changed the scoring rules so someone else Texas could win for s change.

Changing rules so TexasU could win? Really? Now, that's never happened, has it?

Truthfully, it is always a two horse race. I would be very happy if we could improve our sports, especially the men’s sports, to where we were perennial top 30 on this list.
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