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Man, I go on the highway for a day and a half and EVERYTHING changes.

- I am really, really surprised personally that this moved as quickly as it did. And it still has a lot of ground to traverse -- but I really expected this stage to narrow down to just a couple options and study more.
- We will still hear from the bowls - as AttackCoog notes, they are the main source of the much higher payout for those contract-bowl conferences. So we still need the AAC pushing for a contract with Cotton / Peach / Fiesta (even rotating, tweener $, whatever)
- Then we will hear from the TV partner(s)...that will drive schedule for December-January as the bowls' input does.

I'll be surprised again if it comes into being before the current contract is done in the 2025 season, but hey, I'm already pleasantly surprised.

And if anyone doesn't think the AAC is one of the big winners in a posited 6-6 (byes to top 4 champs)...I don't know what more to say.
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(06-11-2021 09:17 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
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(06-10-2021 11:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Ucf is the only one the Big 12 is watching


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I don't think that is true, I don't think they are watching any of us.

I think the CFP expansion update effectively kills Big12 expansion. They are getting multiple teams to the CFP in the 12 team format. They already have one of the better TV payout per school.

The Big12 perspective would be add a single big name like Nebraska, Arkansas or stay at the current number.

I would argue, any AAC team making the playoffs is on display for poaching by a "better funded" conference. Go deep enough (or Lord forbid, win the damn thing) and folks will be talking. Pull a multi-playoff run like UCF would have done a few years back and I'd be surprised if there wasn't movement.

Playoff teams will have monetary value now and if your a multi-year playoff team, you might be worth the investment of inclusion. Just my 2 1/3 cents.

Big12 has shown an unwillingness to expand. West Virginia has been a huge failure and now they are stuck on an island.

I think Arkansas and Nebraska are legit candidates for Big12 with the CFP expansion news.

Arkansas has an easier path to a 1st round Bye if they join the Big12. SEC West has been dominated by Alabama. Arkansas would arguably be more competitive in the Big12 than the SEC.

Nebraska going back to the Big12 would be well received by their fan base. They feel out of place in the Big10. Haven't had any success since leaving.

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From a UCF perspective, now that UCF has a path to the CFP it really diminishes the need to move. TV money is the only major factor.

Miami won multiple Big East titles and was constantly in the National title chase but then left for the ACC and hasn't won a division title. At one point the Big East name was synonymous with the Miami. Now UCF is has helped build the AAC brand. UCF is one of the flagships for the conference. If UCF can make it to the CFP as the AAC champ, that's all it needs. UCF finally has a rivalry game with War on I-4 and ESPN values the game. The money will flow with popularity. I'd rather be a flagship in the AAC than an island in the Big12.

Cincy or Memphis feel like better fits for the Big12 than UCF. Cincy can be a travel partner with WVU. Bring back the Keg of Nails. Memphis is closer to the Big12 footprint.

I'm off the UCF to the Big12 bandwagon with the CFP expansion news. Proud member of the AAC.

I’m off of the train now as well with this new model. We actually have a real path to the title. This conference is awesome and we helped build it. Money will come once we start making the CFP and grow the conference brand. The viewership will also increase astronomically now that our games actually matter in the playoff picture. Future looks bright boys and girls!
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(06-11-2021 02:22 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Man, I go on the highway for a day and a half and EVERYTHING changes.

- I am really, really surprised personally that this moved as quickly as it did. And it still has a lot of ground to traverse -- but I really expected this stage to narrow down to just a couple options and study more.
- We will still hear from the bowls - as AttackCoog notes, they are the main source of the much higher payout for those contract-bowl conferences. So we still need the AAC pushing for a contract with Cotton / Peach / Fiesta (even rotating, tweener $, whatever)
- Then we will hear from the TV partner(s)...that will drive schedule for December-January as the bowls' input does.

I'll be surprised again if it comes into being before the current contract is done in the 2025 season, but hey, I'm already pleasantly surprised.

And if anyone doesn't think the AAC is one of the big winners in a posited 6-6 (byes to top 4 champs)...I don't know what more to say.

I think the only reason we're the biggest winner, is because we were the biggest loser with the current format.

This is going to be great for recruiting. Also, it should allow us to keep our coaches for the most part. This is a big day.
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https://969thegame.iheart.com/content/20...-playoffs/

Aresco speaks:
AAC expansion has always been on the back burner and we might stay at 11 with the CFP expansion news.

His number 1 priority is the autonomy status and believes we have a good enough resume with our current members.
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(06-11-2021 03:02 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  https://969thegame.iheart.com/content/20...-playoffs/

Aresco speaks:
AAC expansion has always been on the back burner and we might stay at 11 with the CFP expansion news.

His number 1 priority is the autonomy status and believes we have a good enough resume with our current members.

You should post this to the "Aresco Interview" thread as well.
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(06-11-2021 02:22 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Man, I go on the highway for a day and a half and EVERYTHING changes.

- I am really, really surprised personally that this moved as quickly as it did. And it still has a lot of ground to traverse -- but I really expected this stage to narrow down to just a couple options and study more.
- We will still hear from the bowls - as AttackCoog notes, they are the main source of the much higher payout for those contract-bowl conferences. So we still need the AAC pushing for a contract with Cotton / Peach / Fiesta (even rotating, tweener $, whatever)
- Then we will hear from the TV partner(s)...that will drive schedule for December-January as the bowls' input does.

I'll be surprised again if it comes into being before the current contract is done in the 2025 season, but hey, I'm already pleasantly surprised.

And if anyone doesn't think the AAC is one of the big winners in a posited 6-6 (byes to top 4 champs)...I don't know what more to say.
Even if the AAC could get a fluid tie-in with the Peach/Cotton/Fiesta (based on who wins the conference), an underrated issue that the AAC would need to address is getting the conference better bowls for its 2nd & 3rd place teams. Assuming the champion gets a bid to the CFP, the AAC needs to find a way to get ties to a couple of the higher profile secondary bowl games (Camping World, Liberty, Sun, Holiday, Vegas, etc). Obviously games like the Citrus & Alamo aren't gonna be interested. But you can't have your 2nd place team playing in the Armed Forces or Birmingham Bowl. You've gotta have a decent reward for teams that have really good seasons even if they don't win the conference. Adding to the top tier of teams with BYU & Boise State could really help in this area.
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(06-11-2021 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Adding my observations to the lot... The next shoe to drop, like others have said, is the ruling on division play to hold a CCG for the AAC. If the NCAA deregulates this, it opens up a can of worms that the A5 could potentially manipulate to their advantage.

In other words, if the NCAA says that the CCG requirements are up to the individual conferences to define, there could be a scenario where it makes sense to expand to 16 teams, with each team having 3 permanent conference rivals and then selecting the two highest ranked participants into the CCG. If the money makes sense, this makes all the sense in the world to do.


Think of it this way. If all of FBS follows this format, that's 8 conferences of 16. If this format works, that means that instead of 4 conferences missing out on the CFP, it's now only 2 potentially missing out. Not only that, but by picking the two strongest, least scathed teams, it positions the respective conference to almost guarantee the loser makes it as an at large.


For example, imagine the SEC consisting of the current teams, + Texas & Oklahoma. The two CCG participants are a given. That's 2 slots. With 16 teams though, it is very easy to see a team with 2 or less losses missing out on the SECCCG, but still eligible for at large. That's 3 or very easily more teams in the CFP, every single year.

Stop giving them ideas... If that is the case UCF is in a watered down BIG XII no differend than a watered down AAC.
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Would Luke Fickell stay at Cinci long term knowing that he has a more favorable path to the playoff than at a mid level Big10 team. This proposal is a game changer as far as recruiting and coach retention in the AAC teams. Win the conference and you are in.
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(06-11-2021 11:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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Of COURSE it's the two senators from Connecticut who came out against this!

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Hmmm... The Crypt Keeper and the Vaultkeeper speak

lol....do they really think athletes would be AGAINST a change in the playoff system that will allow MORE athletes the opportunity to compete for the national championship? The dumb things things said by elected officials never ceases to amaze me. 04-cheers

I think the argument is the risk of injury factor. It's a weak argument considering the NFL now plays 17 regular season games. Players will be paid via NIL soon.

Can you imagine the NIL money some of these players are going to make if they make it to the CFP? To be a college football player featured in a commercial during the peak shopping holiday season....Players are going to be sitting pretty. More teams and more games in December is only helping their brand.

Blumanthal wants them to get a piece of the TV/CFP deals. The problem is the players would probably have to be employees of the school and thats a HUGE issue for the schools and complete upending of any semblance of the amateur college model that has been the bedrock of college sports for as long as I can remember.

Only b/c for all those decades, the schools got away with keeping all the money generated by the players. The amateur college model is for volleyball and lacrosse and softball, not for the two sports that generate billions a year.

Those two are about as amateur as a Nevada brothel. Same reason Georgia and Oklahoma went to court in the 80s, got their TV rights back, and took control of their own destiny. And now, almost 40 years later, turn about is fair play. They have to share with the players. Whom I bet get zero of the cut for the additional playoff games. Which is estimated to be about $2B.

The Olympics played that amateur model thing until they were finally forced to admit the athletes should be paid. Same here for two sports.
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I’m still struggling to try and figure out what the BYU war room thinks about all of this.

The G5/P5 distinction seems to be going away so that may remove the psychological stigma of being in a league that is inferior to Utah’s. But then again, it’s BYU and there’s a lot of ego there.

The West division of SDSU, Boise, BYU, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Navy is very winnable. BYU, Boise, and Houston would be the 3 favorites year in and year out.

Here’s a wild incentive for BYU—don’t require any cross division games for the first 4 years. This would give them a chance to keep some of the big home and homes they have on the docket that would be expensive to cancel. The old 11 of course, could OOC schedule games across divisions to fill their new openings.

Here’s the thing—as an Indy, BYU is going to be up against ND and the 2nd and 3rd place teams from the P5 for those at large spots. The AAC champ only needs to beat out 4 weaker conference champs. I like the chances with the AAC better.

The AAC has a tremendous opportunity here and I really hope they can convince the necessary parties to buy into the vision.
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(06-12-2021 08:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m still struggling to try and figure out what the BYU war room thinks about all of this.

The G5/P5 distinction seems to be going away so that may remove the psychological stigma of being in a league that is inferior to Utah’s. But then again, it’s BYU and there’s a lot of ego there.

The West division of SDSU, Boise, BYU, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Navy is very winnable. BYU, Boise, and Houston would be the 3 favorites year in and year out.

Here’s a wild incentive for BYU—don’t require any cross division games for the first 5 years. This would give them a chance to keep some of the big home and homes they have on the docket that would be expensive to cancel. The old 11 of course, could OOC schedule games across divisions to fill their new openings.

Here’s the thing—as an Indy, BYU is going to be up against ND and the 2nd and 3rd place teams from the P5 for those at large spots. The AAC champ only needs to beat out 4 weaker conference champs. I like the chances with the AAC better.

The AAC has a tremendous opportunity here and I really hope they can convince the necessary parties to buy into the vision.

I think AAC holds the cards so no special deals for anyone coming in as the 12th member.

BYU and AAC gain from becoming partners.
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(06-12-2021 08:52 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 08:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m still struggling to try and figure out what the BYU war room thinks about all of this.

The G5/P5 distinction seems to be going away so that may remove the psychological stigma of being in a league that is inferior to Utah’s. But then again, it’s BYU and there’s a lot of ego there.

The West division of SDSU, Boise, BYU, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Navy is very winnable. BYU, Boise, and Houston would be the 3 favorites year in and year out.

Here’s a wild incentive for BYU—don’t require any cross division games for the first 5 years. This would give them a chance to keep some of the big home and homes they have on the docket that would be expensive to cancel. The old 11 of course, could OOC schedule games across divisions to fill their new openings.

Here’s the thing—as an Indy, BYU is going to be up against ND and the 2nd and 3rd place teams from the P5 for those at large spots. The AAC champ only needs to beat out 4 weaker conference champs. I like the chances with the AAC better.

The AAC has a tremendous opportunity here and I really hope they can convince the necessary parties to buy into the vision.

I think AAC holds the cards so no special deals for anyone coming in as the 12th member.

BYU and AAC gain from becoming partners.

Frankly---I still dont think they are coming---but these CFP changes do provide a reason to think its more likely that it was a month ago. At the very least, it makes it even LESS likley that the AAC will settle for a lesser eastern option at this time. The new proposed playoff structure is just one more reason for the AAC keep its powder dry for now.
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So is the going AAC BBS thought that we just go to 12 with BYU or go BIG and grab BYU plus the best from MWC to get to 14/16?
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(06-13-2021 10:45 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  So is the going AAC BBS thought that we just go to 12 with BYU or go BIG and grab BYU plus the best from MWC to get to 14/16?

No. We stay at 11.
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Tired of BYU speculation. That is one odd bunch... if they don't want to be with us, despite the numerous advantages (past, and future with the new playoff deal), then to heck with it... Their 'perceptions' and competition with Utah for status (which they can't win anyway) take priority over conference rivals, winning conference championships and a MUCH easier path to playoff.

Also, this may be the LAST major alignment/playoff/access shift for a loooooooong time. I think with BYU (perhaps BSU/SDSU), we would have a real strong argument for a guaranteed playoff slot for our champion. Real P6. That would satisfy BYU and come with a much higher payout eventually. That alone should make everyone play ball for mutual benefit. If these guys can't see it.... then they are really crazy.

All that said, this is the best news we have had in awhile. Go AAC!
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For as much as I don't like the guy....b/c its a frickin' rivalry.....UCF's former AD, Danny White deserves a TON of credit for being a loud voice in pressuring, badgering, trolling the college football establishment into expanding the playoffs. It was obvious that the play on the field was being ignored despite really good G5 teams always getting the shaft in the rankings and bowl selections.

There....I said it.
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I mentioned before that I think this will move other conferences to do away with the NCAA-mandated rules that conference championship games are only possible if the conference either:

a) plays a full round robin, or;
b) has divisions where members play a full round robin

My thinking is that every conference is going to realize it's better to pair up their two best teams at the end rather than take a chance on a bad division winner pulling an upset and costing their champion a chance at one of those 6 automatic berths (and one of the four byes). Here's a B1G writer advocating for it now:



What this means is - if there's adequate support for changing these rules, the AAC will not be pressured into adding a 12th team because there will no longer be a waiver situation. We're suddenly going to have quite a few allies...

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(06-13-2021 10:45 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  So is the going AAC BBS thought that we just go to 12 with BYU or go BIG and grab BYU plus the best from MWC to get to 14/16?

I’m honestly ok with adding BYU, Boise, and San Diego St as full members once it’s clear that the Big 12 isn’t going to be raided in 2024.
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(06-13-2021 11:48 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  For as much as I don't like the guy....b/c its a frickin' rivalry.....UCF's former AD, Danny White deserves a TON of credit for being a loud voice in pressuring, badgering, trolling the college football establishment into expanding the playoffs. It was obvious that the play on the field was being ignored despite really good G5 teams always getting the shaft in the rankings and bowl selections.

There....I said it.

I think Danny White did a lot and Aresco got a bad rap from UCF fans in particular for not speaking up.

It's good cop bad cop. Aresco working the room from the inside and White banging on the door from the outside. Aresco has tons of connections in the industry and he wouldn't have gotten very far trying to make them look bad. Credit Aresco for much of the turnaround in support for expansion.
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(06-13-2021 04:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 10:45 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  So is the going AAC BBS thought that we just go to 12 with BYU or go BIG and grab BYU plus the best from MWC to get to 14/16?

I’m honestly ok with adding BYU, Boise, and San Diego St as full members once it’s clear that the Big 12 isn’t going to be raided in 2024.

The AAC has no reason to move fast, they can sit back see the final CFP plans, see if they can continue to play at 11, and see how league performs in 2021 and even 2022. Only reason to go ton12 or 14 now is to strengthen the league on the field AND financially.
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