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(06-10-2021 10:47 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Great post,,,,,,,, wait a minute. Did I just shed a tear of joy 03-cloud903-cloud903-cloud9
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(06-10-2021 10:47 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Great post,,,,,,,, wait a minute. Did I just shed a tear of joy 03-cloud903-cloud903-cloud9
It’s like an early Christmas!!
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P5/G5 is a media creation. It won't change.
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it doesn't matter what they call it. It's the haves and have-nots
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(06-11-2021 12:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  P5/G5 is a media creation. It won't change.

Right - there are still power conferences in basketball.

The P5 are still the autonomy conferences, so they’re on a different plane.
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(06-11-2021 12:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  P5/G5 is a media creation. It won't change.

Right - there are still power conferences in basketball.

The P5 are still the autonomy conferences, so they’re on a different plane.

The TV revenue and TV exposure is what separates the conferences. That is not going to change with the expansion of the playoffs. The best talent will continue to go to the Power Conferences. Playoff expansion does give the G5 schools hope and to steal a line from the Shawshank Redemption, “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things and no good thing ever dies.”
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RE: P5-G5 Designation to Change?
The Group of Five are the five conferences that negotiated as a group in the last CFP round of negotiations ... if they negotiate as a group again in the upcoming possible restructure of the CFP, they'll still be the Group of Five.

If they don't negotiate together, they'll either be a group of fools or -- if it is just one that strikes out on their own -- a group let down by fools.

The "Power Five" is just a media label for the five powerful conferences that each negotiated individually in the CFP negotiations. The media is likely to change it as soon as there is a change in the perception that there are five particularly powerful conferences.
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What will happen to the "New Year's Six" bowls after this or bowl games in general after the Playoff change?

The Playoff will require seven games for the quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship. If we assume the championship continues to be open bidding, the current New Year's Six bowls can continue to rotate the quarterfinals and semifinals. Then the remaining bowls become consolation bowls for non Playoff teams (I doubt 1st round Playoff losers will want to go). I imagine the Citrus would become the Big Ten's and SEC's #1 consolation bowl and be one of the highest paying if not the highest paying consolation bowl. They probably will have to give up New Year's Day though.

Mike Aresco's next challenge will be the consolation bowl games. The Rose, Sugar, and Orange will likely be in the Playoff and won't have conferences tied to it. Aresco will have to convince the next highest paying bowls and/or prestigious bowls to sign with the AAC. If you look at the AAC's current bowl lineup you see some good locations but not very prestigious bowls compared to the other conferences. That has got to change. Also you have to consider media contracts. The ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 look at the SEC and Big 10 with envy. The AAC looks at the ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 with envy. Individually there are AAC teams I'd rather watch than teams in the ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 (or even Big Ten and SEC). Collectively, the AAC is behind all five. So in that aspect, I still don't see the P5-G5 "designation" changing.
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I’m curious if this will remove the stigma of joining an inferior conference for BYU? With the institutional barriers gone, the MWC and AAC are both in equal footing for the playoff as the PAC 12.

Joining one of those conferences takes their playoff threshold from finishing in the top 11 to get in, to maybe about 16 and they could do so facing an easier schedule that doesn’t include as many P5 opponents.

They might make less in television rights but the post season opportunities get a lot better.
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(06-11-2021 07:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious if this will remove the stigma of joining an inferior conference for BYU? With the institutional barriers gone, the MWC and AAC are both in equal footing for the playoff as the PAC 12.

Joining one of those conferences takes their playoff threshold from finishing in the top 11 to get in, to maybe about 16 and they could do so facing an easier schedule that doesn’t include as many P5 opponents.

They might make less in television rights but the post season opportunities get a lot better.

On the flip side, though, maybe BYU is looking at it more like ND: having 6 at-large slots makes it much easier for them to be an independent to make the playoff and it's way better than an 8-team playoff with a 5-1-2 system for them. The difference between being top 11 versus top 16 actually makes it seem less material for them to join a conference for playoff purposes - they wouldn't change their entire institutional profile over what might a matter of 5 spots in the CFP rankings ever year. BYU's schedules are strong enough where I don't think it's crazy at all that they can make the playoff as an at-large.

Plus, the schedule with more P5 opponents is a feature (not a bug) of being an independent. Houston and UCF would certainly join the Big 12 or another P5 league in a heartbeat regardless of whether it's easier to make it to the playoff in the AAC. Being able to play P5 opponents every year in the regular season is the "bird in the hand" for program interest and revenue compared to the crapshoot of making any playoff.
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(06-11-2021 08:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 07:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious if this will remove the stigma of joining an inferior conference for BYU? With the institutional barriers gone, the MWC and AAC are both in equal footing for the playoff as the PAC 12.

Joining one of those conferences takes their playoff threshold from finishing in the top 11 to get in, to maybe about 16 and they could do so facing an easier schedule that doesn’t include as many P5 opponents.

They might make less in television rights but the post season opportunities get a lot better.

On the flip side, though, maybe BYU is looking at it more like ND: having 6 at-large slots makes it much easier for them to be an independent to make the playoff and it's way better than an 8-team playoff with a 5-1-2 system for them. The difference between being top 11 versus top 16 actually makes it seem less material for them to join a conference for playoff purposes - they wouldn't change their entire institutional profile over what might a matter of 5 spots in the CFP rankings ever year. BYU's schedules are strong enough where I don't think it's crazy at all that they can make the playoff as an at-large.

Plus, the schedule with more P5 opponents is a feature (not a bug) of being an independent. Houston and UCF would certainly join the Big 12 or another P5 league in a heartbeat regardless of whether it's easier to make it to the playoff in the AAC. Being able to play P5 opponents every year in the regular season is the "bird in the hand" for program interest and revenue compared to the crapshoot of making any playoff.

Right—the Indy route is a higher risk/higher reward path. When BYU makes the playoffs, the glory and cash is all theirs.

Competition for those 6 at larges will be tough. You’ve got ND and a bunch of 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th place conference finishers to contend with. 10-2 BYU vs 10-2 Florida for the last autobid is probably not going to go BYU’s way.

I certainly don’t think these changes will send BYU rushing to join a conference.

Another school to think about in terms of independence is Texas. Texas could thrive without the encumbrance of a conference with so many at large bids up for grabs.
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(06-11-2021 01:00 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  P5/G5 is a media creation. It won't change.

Right - there are still power conferences in basketball.

The P5 are still the autonomy conferences, so they’re on a different plane.

The TV revenue and TV exposure is what separates the conferences. That is not going to change with the expansion of the playoffs. The best talent will continue to go to the Power Conferences. Playoff expansion does give the G5 schools hope and to steal a line from the Shawshank Redemption, “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things and no good thing ever dies.”

Natural recruiting advantages do not change.

It may put one of those AAC programs over the top with a more open playoff system.
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(06-11-2021 08:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 01:00 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  P5/G5 is a media creation. It won't change.

Right - there are still power conferences in basketball.

The P5 are still the autonomy conferences, so they’re on a different plane.

The TV revenue and TV exposure is what separates the conferences. That is not going to change with the expansion of the playoffs. The best talent will continue to go to the Power Conferences. Playoff expansion does give the G5 schools hope and to steal a line from the Shawshank Redemption, “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things and no good thing ever dies.”

Natural recruiting advantages do not change.

It may put one of those AAC programs over the top with a more open playoff system.
Yes, now schools like UCF, Cincy, Houston, and Memphis have arguably an easier path to the playoffs than about half the P5. You can bet that the coaches of these schools will use this to their advantage when recruiting.
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(06-10-2021 10:47 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Am I missing something here? I don't see where this tweet reports any change being made. What change? Who is making this change (since it has always been an unofficial designation)?
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Change is coming. But I don't believe the G5 will like it. A few at the top maybe but the majority will just be left out.
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(06-11-2021 08:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 01:00 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 12:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  P5/G5 is a media creation. It won't change.

Right - there are still power conferences in basketball.

The P5 are still the autonomy conferences, so they’re on a different plane.

The TV revenue and TV exposure is what separates the conferences. That is not going to change with the expansion of the playoffs. The best talent will continue to go to the Power Conferences. Playoff expansion does give the G5 schools hope and to steal a line from the Shawshank Redemption, “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things and no good thing ever dies.”

Natural recruiting advantages do not change.

It may put one of those AAC programs over the top with a more open playoff system.
True, natural recruiting advantages do not change much but it’s not that way now with the autonomous conferences playing for their championship only attracting all the top recruits
however this could change back to natural recruiting advantages with this new 6 and 6, but ian concerned how the committee will play an unfair roll
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(06-11-2021 07:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious if this will remove the stigma of joining an inferior conference for BYU? With the institutional barriers gone, the MWC and AAC are both in equal footing for the playoff as the PAC 12.

Joining one of those conferences takes their playoff threshold from finishing in the top 11 to get in, to maybe about 16 and they could do so facing an easier schedule that doesn’t include as many P5 opponents.

They might make less in television rights but the post season opportunities get a lot better.

I always tell when they bring the subject of BYU joining a non power conference that for BYU, it starts and ends with the University of Utah being a power conference.
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Big winners from this proposal: Boise, BYU, contenders to win the AAC

Big losers: the Bowl system
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The main thing is it gives everybody a chance. That has not be the case before, and it was not fair.
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