(06-10-2021 12:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 12:39 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You can't even get your pathetic deflections accurate. Nothing in that Lancet study claimed hydroxychloroquine killed people.

Quote:June 4, 2020 - The online medical journal The Lancet has apologized to readers after retracting a study that said the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine did not help to curb COVID-19 and might cause death in patients.

The study was withdrawn because the company that provided data would not provide full access to the information for a third-party peer review, saying to do so would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements, The Lancet said in a statement.

Quote:In the study, researchers concluded the drug didn’t help curb COVID-19, caused heart problems, and appeared to increase the risk of death. The study had immediate impact, with the World Health Organization and other groups stopping research into hydroxychloroquine.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605...uine-study

Oops. Try again, disinformation minister.

Now, in line with your prior behavior, discredit this source.

Trouble with the definition of "might"?

The trouble with the word "might" is that its still a lie based on a fake study conjured up by a porn star wannabe which was published without proper peer review in what used to be one of the most trusted scientific journals on the planet. Now they have been reduced to a laughing stock.

Word games. Semantics. That's what the left does.

I'm fully aware of the modifiers in those reports. That does not change what the purpose of that so called study published in the Lancet was about. You know that and I know that. Trying to discredit HCL and hinting that it might kill you.

Quit being a disingenuous troll.

(06-10-2021 01:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:13 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The ballot folding thing is most likely a coincidence - but it is still worth looking into if for no other reason than that people cast their vote and it should be counted AND it should be counted properly.

You know Tom, that pesky voting integrity thing?

No one has answered the question of why the machines counted a fold and ignored the clearly marked vote. What is the explanation for that?

They counted them both. That was another mistake by the locality. The machines actually produced a printout with the overvotes listed (they're included with blanks which also included ballots with no votes in that contest). The high number of them should have tipped them off that there was an issue. The machines actually have an overvote notification on them, but that was disabled by Windham per state policy.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/07...it-part-2/



If the overvote notification was turned on, the absentee ballots with an overvote would have been kicked out and the worker could have set them aside to be hand counted.

(06-10-2021 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:13 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The ballot folding thing is most likely a coincidence - but it is still worth looking into if for no other reason than that people cast their vote and it should be counted AND it should be counted properly.

You know Tom, that pesky voting integrity thing?

No one has answered the question of why the machines counted a fold and ignored the clearly marked vote. What is the explanation for that?

They counted them both. That was another mistake by the locality. The machines actually produced a printout with the overvotes listed (they're included with blanks which also included ballots with no votes in that contest). The high number of them should have tipped them off that there was an issue. The machines actually have an overvote notification on them, but that was disabled by Windham per state policy.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/07...it-part-2/

So now we need an investigation into each precinct that used dominion to see who all made this same "mistake".

(06-10-2021 02:26 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:13 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The ballot folding thing is most likely a coincidence - but it is still worth looking into if for no other reason than that people cast their vote and it should be counted AND it should be counted properly.

You know Tom, that pesky voting integrity thing?

No one has answered the question of why the machines counted a fold and ignored the clearly marked vote. What is the explanation for that?

They counted them both. That was another mistake by the locality. The machines actually produced a printout with the overvotes listed (they're included with blanks which also included ballots with no votes in that contest). The high number of them should have tipped them off that there was an issue. The machines actually have an overvote notification on them, but that was disabled by Windham per state policy.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/07...it-part-2/

So now we need an investigation into each precinct that used dominion to see who all made this same "mistake".

No, you stupid fartknocker! For the millionth time, this was NOT a Dominion machine, it was an AccuVoteOS machine put in service in 1998.

And it was only an issue because Windham used a bill folding machine that's not designed to properly fold ballots on the scribed fold line.

Windham used the folding machine to meet the extra demand by the pandemic.

So feel free to launch an investigation into any precinct that used an AccuVoteOS machine from 1998, folded their ballots using a machine to fold utility bills, and failed to properly clean said machine.

/\ Someone tell Tom who owns Accuvote and has owned them since 2010.

(06-10-2021 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But this points to a bigger issue...elections are expensive, and if you want to cry for more integrity, you need to be willing to pony up the dough to make that happen.

Absolutely. Including a reliable voter ID with photo, signature, and thumb prints embedded electronically, to be verified at the polls. Expensive? Yes. Cheaper than making the kind of mistake that voter fraud can lead to? Absolutely.

My thoughts exactly! The very fact that we hold elections mean they should be as secure as possible. If they are not secure then why even hold them at all? To pacify the sheeple?

Nope! Fair elections - PERIOD.

However, the assumption that they would be more expensive may not necessarily be correct.

One voting day.
Smaller precincts efficiently sized to be able to complete counting that day.
Paper ballots -- no machines.

Ditching electronic voting machines and tabulators should significant money per city/county.

(06-10-2021 04:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But this points to a bigger issue...elections are expensive, and if you want to cry for more integrity, you need to be willing to pony up the dough to make that happen.

Absolutely. Including a reliable voter ID with photo, signature, and thumb prints embedded electronically, to be verified at the polls. Expensive? Yes. Cheaper than making the kind of mistake that voter fraud can lead to? Absolutely.

My thoughts exactly! The very fact that we hold elections mean they should be as secure as possible. If they are not secure then why even hold them at all? To pacify the sheeple?

Nope! Fair elections - PERIOD.

However, the assumption that they would be more expensive may not necessarily be correct.

One voting day.
Smaller precincts efficiently sized to be able to complete counting that day.
Paper ballots -- no machines.

Ditching electronic voting machines and tabulators should significant money per city/county.

Don't assume paper ballots are less prone to fraud. They aren't.

(06-10-2021 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:13 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The ballot folding thing is most likely a coincidence - but it is still worth looking into if for no other reason than that people cast their vote and it should be counted AND it should be counted properly.

You know Tom, that pesky voting integrity thing?

No one has answered the question of why the machines counted a fold and ignored the clearly marked vote. What is the explanation for that?

They counted them both. That was another mistake by the locality. The machines actually produced a printout with the overvotes listed (they're included with blanks which also included ballots with no votes in that contest). The high number of them should have tipped them off that there was an issue. The machines actually have an overvote notification on them, but that was disabled by Windham per state policy.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/07...it-part-2/



If the overvote notification was turned on, the absentee ballots with an overvote would have been kicked out and the worker could have set them aside to be hand counted.

Could the same type of ‘error’ be responsible for over votes in Arizona?

TRUTH does not mind being questioned
A LIE does not like being challenged

(06-10-2021 04:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 04:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But this points to a bigger issue...elections are expensive, and if you want to cry for more integrity, you need to be willing to pony up the dough to make that happen.

Absolutely. Including a reliable voter ID with photo, signature, and thumb prints embedded electronically, to be verified at the polls. Expensive? Yes. Cheaper than making the kind of mistake that voter fraud can lead to? Absolutely.

My thoughts exactly! The very fact that we hold elections mean they should be as secure as possible. If they are not secure then why even hold them at all? To pacify the sheeple?

Nope! Fair elections - PERIOD.

However, the assumption that they would be more expensive may not necessarily be correct.

One voting day.
Smaller precincts efficiently sized to be able to complete counting that day.
Paper ballots -- no machines.

Ditching electronic voting machines and tabulators should significant money per city/county.

Don't assume paper ballots are less prone to fraud. They aren't.

Especially if mailed in or allowed to be collected by who knows who (ballot harvesting). Voting is a duty. It is not supposed to be so easy that anyone can do it in any way they want and anytime they want. A voter should care enough to be involved not so disconnected as to tell a stranger “yeah, you can have my ballot. Now where’s that beer you promised me?”

(06-10-2021 04:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 04:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But this points to a bigger issue...elections are expensive, and if you want to cry for more integrity, you need to be willing to pony up the dough to make that happen.

Absolutely. Including a reliable voter ID with photo, signature, and thumb prints embedded electronically, to be verified at the polls. Expensive? Yes. Cheaper than making the kind of mistake that voter fraud can lead to? Absolutely.

My thoughts exactly! The very fact that we hold elections mean they should be as secure as possible. If they are not secure then why even hold them at all? To pacify the sheeple?

Nope! Fair elections - PERIOD.

However, the assumption that they would be more expensive may not necessarily be correct.

One voting day.
Smaller precincts efficiently sized to be able to complete counting that day.
Paper ballots -- no machines.

Ditching electronic voting machines and tabulators should significant money per city/county.

Don't assume paper ballots are less prone to fraud. They aren't.

Right, I agree.

Technology isn't the culprit here. It's what people do with the technology that's the problem.

Just like "guns don't kill people -- people do."



Whether the technology is computerized or paper, safeguards must be put in place to prevent bad people from causing problems.

But one thing we do know, paper can never be connected to the internet.


There would be strict safeguards in place to ensure each person is: 1. eligible to vote and 2. votes only once.

After marking the paper ballot, the voter should put the ballot in a secured box (like a mailbox).

The voting hall should be thoroughly monitored by live video cameras.

The voting box should require 3 keys to open: the precinct coordinator, the Republican precinct watch lead and the Democratic precinct watch lead.

This could be expanded to other party representatives as well.

Once the ballots have been collected from the box the move to the counting station.

They can use the same system that has been used during the AZ audit -- Precinct Coordinator places ballot on carrousel, ballot is counted by Dem, Rep, any others.

After every 100 ballots (or 50, 25, etc) counting totals are compared among the Dem, Rep & others. They must agree before moving on.

Once this batch has been confirmed the ballots go back in to another secured box with the appropriate chain-of-custody documentation.

Granted, this is not a finalized process, but the appropriate secure process can be identified and implemented.

But there is no way in heck that computers should be counting ballots for us and we simply accept their totals as fact.
After counted ballot goes in secure box.

Anyone heard about the Splunk Logs being withheld from the Auditors ?

(06-10-2021 02:26 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So now we need an investigation into each precinct that used dominion to see who all made this same "mistake".

F*** it, new elections, one day voting holiday for all, IDs required, Zero mail in ballots, Zero Drop boxes. Absenttes ballots by request with ID copy only and signatures matches everywhere only. All absentee ballots must be on safety paper only, hand-marked only and be in by 7 days after election day only (request absentee ballot only 10 days before up to 3 days before only.) Vote in person for this one only due to the massive fraud an F***up. I predict Repubs win House in landslide, President Trump wins in landslide, Senate goes Rep in bigger majority than Dems. Oh, and Audit the Fed and the Supreme Court, too, while yer at it. That is all.

Oh, and President Trump eleigible for 3rd term if he wishes due to the F***up and all laws passed by this non-congress immediately moot and Dems pay for any costs associated. Deport every single illegal alien in the US immediately (all 30+ million, and watch inflation fall and housing costs go back to reasonable) and build the rest of the wall ASAP.

(06-10-2021 04:35 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:13 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The ballot folding thing is most likely a coincidence - but it is still worth looking into if for no other reason than that people cast their vote and it should be counted AND it should be counted properly.

You know Tom, that pesky voting integrity thing?

No one has answered the question of why the machines counted a fold and ignored the clearly marked vote. What is the explanation for that?

They counted them both. That was another mistake by the locality. The machines actually produced a printout with the overvotes listed (they're included with blanks which also included ballots with no votes in that contest). The high number of them should have tipped them off that there was an issue. The machines actually have an overvote notification on them, but that was disabled by Windham per state policy.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/07...it-part-2/



If the overvote notification was turned on, the absentee ballots with an overvote would have been kicked out and the worker could have set them aside to be hand counted.

Could the same type of ‘error’ be responsible for over votes in Arizona?

I'm not aware of any over vote issue in Arizona, not aware of any issue with ballots being folded improperly, and they don't use old AccuVoteOS machines either.

So in a word, no.

(06-10-2021 04:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But this points to a bigger issue...elections are expensive, and if you want to cry for more integrity, you need to be willing to pony up the dough to make that happen.

Absolutely. Including a reliable voter ID with photo, signature, and thumb prints embedded electronically, to be verified at the polls. Expensive? Yes. Cheaper than making the kind of mistake that voter fraud can lead to? Absolutely.

My thoughts exactly! The very fact that we hold elections mean they should be as secure as possible. If they are not secure then why even hold them at all? To pacify the sheeple?

Nope! Fair elections - PERIOD.

However, the assumption that they would be more expensive may not necessarily be correct.

One voting day.
Smaller precincts efficiently sized to be able to complete counting that day.
Paper ballots -- no machines.

Ditching electronic voting machines and tabulators should significant money per city/county.

Human counting is WAY less accurate than machine counting. Not to mention people claimed it took too long for a result this year since it took like 3 days. Ditching machines and going to one-day in person voting with fewer precincts would likely take 3 days alone just to get people through the polls in larger cities.

Would be a complete debacle.

(06-10-2021 06:13 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Anyone heard about the Splunk Logs being withheld from the Auditors ?

I can only wonder why they wouldn't want those log files being examined.

(06-10-2021 07:39 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Oh, and President Trump eleigible for 3rd term if he wishes due to the F***up and all laws passed by this non-congress immediately moot and Dems pay for any costs associated. Deport every single illegal alien in the US immediately (all 30+ million, and watch inflation fall and housing costs go back to reasonable) and build the rest of the wall ASAP.

I'm good with everything you just posted in your two posts!

+3

Six states have visited AZ audit to date:

• Alaska
• Colorado
• Georgia
• Nevada
• Pennsylvania
• Virginia

Today, nine more states will tour the audit floor.

Fifteen total after today.

BREAKING: FREIGHT TRAIN OF STATE DELEGATIONS COMING FRIDAY — 9 States Will Visit AZ Audit Center – ONLY ONE PALLET LEFT TO COUNT


Serious question: what do you think the media would be doing if California or New York were conducting a forensic audit because Republicans had won?