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Someone on the CSNBBS AAC thread suggested that one way for that conference to take a step forward might be to sponsor a major bowl game in an open time slot on 12/31 or 1/1 to compete with the NY6 bowls.

Whether or not the AAC would have the savvy and the gumption to do something like that isn't certain, since they haven't even had the gumption to replace UConn, but another idea would be for the G5 conferences as a group to take that ball and run with it.

The nation's most highly-ranked G5 team that doesn't play in a NY6 bowl would play one of the top P5 (or FBS independent) teams that don't play in a NY6 bowl.

These are the kinds of teams that would have played in such a "challenge bowl" over the past few years:

2020: (#12) Coastal Carolina (11-0) vs. (#11) Indiana, (#13) UNC, (#14) Northwestern, (#15) Iowa, (#16) BYU, or (#18) Miami

2019: (#19) Boise State (12-1) vs. (#11) Utah, (#12) Auburn, or (#13 Alabama, (#14) Michigan, or (#15) Notre Dame

2018: (#21) Fresno State (11-2) vs. (#12) Penn St., (#13) Wash St., (#14) Kentucky, (#15) Texas, or (#16) WVU

2017: (#20) Memphis (10-2) vs. (#14) Notre Dame, (#15) TCU, (#16) Michigan St., (#17) LSU, or (#18) Washington St.

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There are some southern cities with large stadiums, such as Las Vegas, Austin, TX, and San Francisco/Oakland that don't currently sponsor bowl games on those dates, and given the nation's voracious appetite for college football, such a game would be guaranteed to generate solid viewership.

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The primary benefit to the G5 conferences is that it would double the number of G5 teams that would be playing on or about January 1st, and would thus double the likelihood that one of the G5 teams might win one of those games.

Sponsoring such a bowl game might give a needed boost to the regular season viewership of G5 conference teams, and it would also be beneficial from a recruiting standpoint, as millions of aspiring young athletes would see the G5 conferences as being competitive alternatives to the P5 conferences.

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All that would be necessary to make such a bowl game happen would be for the G5 conferences to set aside a sufficient pool of money to underwrite a "NY7" quality bowl game. Most of the costs would be covered and recouped through corporate sponsorships and broadcasting revenue from the network that would cover the event.

To ensure that a wide range of G5 conferences would benefit, there could be a requirement for the NY6 and "NY7" bowl G5 teams to represent two different G5 conferences.

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It would be interesting to know what some of you might think about this idea.

Would you have any reservations or recommendations? If so, what would they be?

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Of course, there would have to be some attractive incentives to make it work.

The main incentive would be the "purse" for the game. The "purse" would have to be large enough to attract a top 20 P5 team. This might mean that the game wouldn't generate any income for the G5 conferences - - at least not for the first couple of "NY7" bowl games.

A second incentive would be that it would be considered an honor for a highly-ranked P5 team to be invited to play in a "N7" quality bowl game, particularly if the game were promoted with the same kind of advertising hype and the other "bells and whistles" that the NY6 bowls are promoted with.

A third incentive would be that a team's fans would want to see them play a New Year's type of bowl game, while other fans around the country would jeer them if they were to turn it down for fear of losing such a game.

A fourth incentive for some P5 schools and Head Coaches that haven't played or coached in a major bowl game for years would be that they would benefit from playing a "NY" bowl game.

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The P5 teams listed above for 2017-2020 would just be the "NY7" bowl's short list. If they were to all turn down the invitation, there would be a long-enough list of backup teams that one of them would probably accept the invitation.

In 2020, BYU would have been positioned to receive and accept a "NY7 bowl" invitation, but if BYU wasn't ranked #16 and all the P5 teams on the short list turned down the invitation, these teams would have been invited: (#19) Louisiana, (#20) Texas, (#21) OK State, (#23) NC State, and (#25) Oregon. One of these teams would have had sufficient reasons to accept an invitation to play a "New Year's" quality bowl game.

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In 2020, (#19) Army (11-2) would have been positioned to receive and accept a "NY7 bowl" invitation, but if they hadn't been, and all the P5 teams on the short list turned down the invitation, these teams would have been invited: (#16) Iowa, (#18) Minnesota, (#22) USC, (#24) Virginia, and (#25) Oklahoma State. One of these teams would have had plenty of good reasons to accept an invitation to play such a high-paying bowl game.

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There are 2 or 3 C-USA programs that might be able to represent the G5 in such a bowl game, such as Marshall, which has had a team in the final top 25 in the past several years.

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I think that if talks got serious between the AAC and any of the other G5 conferences, CUSA would have to get involved. The conference would be doing a huge disservice to the schools if they didn't (Which, unfortunately, CUSA is famous for).

A game like this might lose a lil money but it would 100 percent be worth it. I think Ryan (Tax Service), a company with UNT ties that sponsors the CUSA Championship Game, would be very interested in helping underwrite that game as a title sponsor, which would help.

Someone doesn't know how the Cartel Collusion works...

(05-29-2021 10:58 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  I think that if talks got serious between the AAC and any of the other G5 conferences, CUSA would have to get involved. The conference would be doing a huge disservice to the schools if they didn't (Which, unfortunately, CUSA is famous for).

A game like this might lose a lil money but it would 100 percent be worth it. I think Ryan (Tax Service), a company with UNT ties that sponsors the CUSA Championship Game, would be very interested in helping underwrite that game as a title sponsor, which would help.

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Great. Glad you think it might be a good idea.

I posted a similar thread on the SBC board, and there was someone there who also thought such a bowl game might be a good idea.

By the way, I've checked to see which team #11 (6-1) Indiana played in their bowl game, since they would have been the most highly-ranked P5 team that didn't play in a NY6 bowl.

#11 Indiana played (4-5, unranked) Mississippi in the Outback bowl.

If there had been a G5 Challenge Bowl in 2021, Indiana probably would have been invited to be the P5 team, and they would have played #14 (11-1) Coastal Carolina.

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A meeting between the #11 and #14 teams in the nation would have been a much better matchup for Indiana than a game between the #11 team and an unranked team with a losing record.

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One other thing to note:

As far as the date of the game is concerned, one of the best dates/times for the game to be played would probably be the evening of December 30th, the evening before New Year's Eve, so that the game would get plenty of attention and wouldn't have to compete for eyeballs with any of the NY6 bowls.

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If anyone would like to see a bowl game like this come to pass, you might send it up the flagpole on whichever message boards you post on and mention it to some of your friends. If enough people start talking about this, the idea will filter up to the G5 conference executives. It would be a "grass roots" type of campaign.

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(05-29-2021 11:35 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  Someone doesn't know how the Cartel Collusion works...

Obviously. There are no open time slots on December 31 or January 1. Unless the game is underway while the ball drops in Times Square when nobody would be watching.

(05-28-2021 06:37 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  .

Someone on the CSNBBS AAC thread suggested that one way for that conference to take a step forward might be to sponsor a major bowl game in an open time slot on 12/31 or 1/1 to compete with the NY6 bowls.

Whether or not the AAC would have the savvy and the gumption to do something like that isn't certain, since they haven't even had the gumption to replace UConn, but another idea would be for the G5 conferences as a group to take that ball and run with it.

The nation's most highly-ranked G5 team that doesn't play in a NY6 bowl would play one of the top P5 (or FBS independent) teams that don't play in a NY6 bowl.

These are the kinds of teams that would have played in such a "challenge bowl" over the past few years:

2020: (#12) Coastal Carolina (11-0) vs. (#11) Indiana, (#13) UNC, (#14) Northwestern, (#15) Iowa, (#16) BYU, or (#18) Miami

2019: (#19) Boise State (12-1) vs. (#11) Utah, (#12) Auburn, or (#13 Alabama, (#14) Michigan, or (#15) Notre Dame

2018: (#21) Fresno State (11-2) vs. (#12) Penn St., (#13) Wash St., (#14) Kentucky, (#15) Texas, or (#16) WVU

2017: (#20) Memphis (10-2) vs. (#14) Notre Dame, (#15) TCU, (#16) Michigan St., (#17) LSU, or (#18) Washington St.

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There are some southern cities with large stadiums, such as Las Vegas, Austin, TX, and San Francisco/Oakland that don't currently sponsor bowl games on those dates, and given the nation's voracious appetite for college football, such a game would be guaranteed to generate solid viewership.

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The primary benefit to the G5 conferences is that it would double the number of G5 teams that would be playing on or about January 1st, and would thus double the likelihood that one of the G5 teams might win one of those games.

Sponsoring such a bowl game might give a needed boost to the regular season viewership of G5 conference teams, and it would also be beneficial from a recruiting standpoint, as millions of aspiring young athletes would see the G5 conferences as being competitive alternatives to the P5 conferences.

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All that would be necessary to make such a bowl game happen would be for the G5 conferences to set aside a sufficient pool of money to underwrite a "NY7" quality bowl game. Most of the costs would be covered and recouped through corporate sponsorships and broadcasting revenue from the network that would cover the event.

To ensure that a wide range of G5 conferences would benefit, there could be a requirement for the NY6 and "NY7" bowl G5 teams to represent two different G5 conferences.

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It would be interesting to know what some of you might think about this idea.

Would you have any reservations or recommendations? If so, what would they be?

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That "Someone on the CSNBBS AAC thread " was you jed and that senseless useless thread was moved to the off topic board like many of your other pointless threads. WHY JUST WHY ?

(05-31-2021 07:13 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 06:37 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  .

Someone on the CSNBBS AAC thread suggested that one way for that conference to take a step forward might be to sponsor a major bowl game in an open time slot on 12/31 or 1/1 to compete with the NY6 bowls.

Whether or not the AAC would have the savvy and the gumption to do something like that isn't certain, since they haven't even had the gumption to replace UConn, but another idea would be for the G5 conferences as a group to take that ball and run with it.

The nation's most highly-ranked G5 team that doesn't play in a NY6 bowl would play one of the top P5 (or FBS independent) teams that don't play in a NY6 bowl.

These are the kinds of teams that would have played in such a "challenge bowl" over the past few years:

2020: (#12) Coastal Carolina (11-0) vs. (#11) Indiana, (#13) UNC, (#14) Northwestern, (#15) Iowa, (#16) BYU, or (#18) Miami

2019: (#19) Boise State (12-1) vs. (#11) Utah, (#12) Auburn, or (#13 Alabama, (#14) Michigan, or (#15) Notre Dame

2018: (#21) Fresno State (11-2) vs. (#12) Penn St., (#13) Wash St., (#14) Kentucky, (#15) Texas, or (#16) WVU

2017: (#20) Memphis (10-2) vs. (#14) Notre Dame, (#15) TCU, (#16) Michigan St., (#17) LSU, or (#18) Washington St.

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There are some southern cities with large stadiums, such as Las Vegas, Austin, TX, and San Francisco/Oakland that don't currently sponsor bowl games on those dates, and given the nation's voracious appetite for college football, such a game would be guaranteed to generate solid viewership.

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The primary benefit to the G5 conferences is that it would double the number of G5 teams that would be playing on or about January 1st, and would thus double the likelihood that one of the G5 teams might win one of those games.

Sponsoring such a bowl game might give a needed boost to the regular season viewership of G5 conference teams, and it would also be beneficial from a recruiting standpoint, as millions of aspiring young athletes would see the G5 conferences as being competitive alternatives to the P5 conferences.

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All that would be necessary to make such a bowl game happen would be for the G5 conferences to set aside a sufficient pool of money to underwrite a "NY7" quality bowl game. Most of the costs would be covered and recouped through corporate sponsorships and broadcasting revenue from the network that would cover the event.

To ensure that a wide range of G5 conferences would benefit, there could be a requirement for the NY6 and "NY7" bowl G5 teams to represent two different G5 conferences.

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It would be interesting to know what some of you might think about this idea.

Would you have any reservations or recommendations? If so, what would they be?

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That "Someone on the CSNBBS AAC thread " was you.

Incorrect. It was written by "AttackCoug," a Houston fan and one of the moderators on the AAC message board.

He's' the one who suggested the idea, as something that he would like to see that AAC do on its own.

I wrote back to "AttackCoug" and supported his suggestion, but it didn't get much discussion.

I'm not sure that this is something that any one conference could do on its own, anyway.

Thus, I adapted Attack Coug's idea to the entire G5, and so far, the SBC and C-USA fans have shown some interest in the idea.

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(05-31-2021 04:24 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  There are no open time slots on December 31 or January 1.

December 30th would be the optimal date, and it would work best as an evening game, so it wouldn't have to compete for viewership with the NY6 games.

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(06-01-2021 02:37 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  C-USA fans have shown some interest in the idea.

There are 10 posts in this thread. Five of them are you. 4 more are mocking you or the idea and one guy said he'd support it. That's not some interest. That's a complete lack of interest. Someone farts on this board and it gets 100 replies. But for the sake of whatever...

We (G5) don't work well together and don't like each other at any level and there are old beefs and backstabbings that won't be forgiven easily.

As mentioned, the days are full. Any other timeslot isn't a NY6-7 bowl.

National sponsors would be required to make the matchup even worthwhile to attract bigger names and they aren't going to put millions into an "other" timeslot. It would take at least a $10M deal to make it worthy of the NY bowls. There's no incentive and ESPN would have to sanction it or they'd just ignore it and no one would even know about it which is another reason no sponsor would do it.

The conferences aren't going to work together to do this because, literally, a couple guys on the internet thought it could work.

An Independent New Years Day Bowl game has been a dream of mine for years but unfortunately it makes too much sense and too many powers that be would not benefit from it. Suppose you developed a New Years day bowl game the pitted to to bridesmaid champs of the G5 against each other and gave them a prime time spot on Fox or CBS. It would certainly help with brand development and generate revenue. A new bowl doesn't even have to be created, just dedicate one to the cause and shift it to a New Years spot and bump the pay a little bit. Everyone would adjust.

(06-02-2021 01:55 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  An Independent New Years Day Bowl game has been a dream of mine for years but unfortunately it makes too much sense and too many powers that be would not benefit from it. Suppose you developed a New Years day bowl game the pitted to to bridesmaid champs of the G5 against each other and gave them a prime time spot on Fox or CBS. It would certainly help with brand development and generate revenue. A new bowl doesn't even have to be created, just dedicate one to the cause and shift it to a New Years spot and bump the pay a little bit. Everyone would adjust.

The AAC tried-ish to have their own bowl with a million dollar payout. It lasted 3 years before ESPN gobbled it up. The Arizona Bowl has way less in payout, but has held tight even though it was only aired on ASN and CollegeInsiders.com for the first two years, then CBSSN the three season after that. Now they were rewarded with a CBS spot on NYE. Finding an independent bowl that has the nerve to look outside the ESPN bubble would be tough.

(06-01-2021 02:39 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-31-2021 04:24 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  There are no open time slots on December 31 or January 1.

December 30th would be the optimal date, and it would work best as an evening game, so it wouldn't have to compete for viewership with the NY6 games.

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That was the Cotton Bowl slot in 2020 (7:15 ET on 12/30). Last time I checked, that is an NY6 game. And the Peach Bowl is scheduled for that spot in 2021.

(06-03-2021 11:41 AM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  

(06-01-2021 02:39 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-31-2021 04:24 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  There are no open time slots on December 31 or January 1.

December 30th would be the optimal date, and it would work best as an evening game, so it wouldn't have to compete for viewership with the NY6 games.

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That was the Cotton Bowl slot in 2020 (7:15 ET on 12/30). Last time I checked, that is an NY6 game. And the Peach Bowl is scheduled for that spot in 2021.

No problem. The G5 "NY7" Challenge Bowl could start at 9:15 Eastern Time (8:15 Central, 7:15 Mountain, 6:15 Pacific).

There are enough TV viewing hours to accommodate 7 bowls between 11/30, 11/31, and 12/1.

Sponsoring a major bowl game would be one of the few highly-visible things that the G5 conferences could do to boost their stature and empower themselves.

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I have posted similar threads on the Sun Belt and MAC message boards.

Here are some interesting questions that a MAC fan asked, and my responses:

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(06-04-2021 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  Wouldn’t the highest ranked P5 team not in NY6 bowl rather play the next highest P5 or third highest or any other ranked P5 team first before any G5 team?

That might be the case, but such a preference wouldn't be the sole factor determining their decision. There are other important factors that they would consider, such as the ranking of the team that they would be playing, the amount of national exposure/viewership they would receive, and the amount that they would be paid.

More importantly, plenty of P5 teams have played bowl games vs. non-P5 teams, including:

The 2020 Liberty Bowl (WVU vs. Army; 3.74 million viewers)

The 2019 Liberty Bowl (K. St. vs. Navy; 3.3 million viewers[/b])

The 2019 Quick Lane Bowl (Pittsburgh vs. Eastern Michigan; 3 million viewers[/b])

The 2018 Las Vegas Bowl (Fresno St. vs. Arizona St.; 3.3 million viewers[/b])

The 2018 Military Bowl (Virginia Tech vs. Cincinnati; 2.7 million viewers)

The 2017 Las Vegas Bowl (Boise St. vs. Oregon; 3.8 million viewers)

The 2017 Liberty Bowl (Iowa St. vs. Memphis; 3.4 million viewers)

The 2017 Birmingham Bowl (USF vs. Texas Tech; 3.4 million viewers)


Further, some P5 schools might actually prefer to play a slightly lower-ranked opponent, particularly if their highest priority is to win the game, since a win in a major bowl game would help them, going forward, from a recruiting, attendance, and fund-raising standpoint.

(06-04-2021 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  ...wouldn’t ESPN or whoever and/or a title sponsor rather have two ranked teams the general public is familiar with?

Not necessarily. They might care the most about the team's potential viewership, and there might be some highly-ranked non-P5 teams that would have very competitive levels of viewership.

For example:

The 2020 Peach Bowl (Cincinnati vs. UGA) ranked #4th in bowl game viewership, with 8.73 million viewers (more viewers than the Orange, Fiesta, and Cotton Bowls, featuring Texas A&M vs. UNC, Iowa St. vs. Oregon, and Oklahoma vs. Florida, - had).

The 2019 Cotton Bowl (Penn St. vs. Memphis; 6.22 million viewers) had more viewers than bowl games, featuring Florida vs. Virginia, Texas vs. Utah, and OK ST vs. Texas A&M, Tennessee vs. Indiana, Notre Dame vs. Iowa State, and Auburn vs. Minnesota had).

The 2018 Fiesta Bowl (LSU vs. UCF; 8.47 million viewers) had more viewers than bowl games featuring Florida vs. Michigan, UK vs. Penn State, Washington St vs. Iowa St., Texas A&M vs. NC St., WVU vs. Syracuse, and Wisconsin vs. Miami had.

The 2020 Liberty Bowl (Army vs. WVU; 3.74 million viewers) had more viewers than bowl games featuring OK ST-Miami, Colorado-Texas, and UK-NC State had.

The 2020 Army-Navy game had 7.7 million viewers, and the 2020 regular season game UCF vs. GT game had 3 million viewers.

The 2019 Liberty Bowl (K. St. vs. Navy; 3.3 million viewers) had more viewers than bowl games featuring Arizona St. vs. Florida State, Iowa vs. USC, and California vs. Illinois had.

The 2019 Army-Navy game had 8 million viewers, the 2019 Houston vs. Oklahoma game had 5.4 million viewers, and the 2019 games between CIN and OSU (2.94 million), BYU vs. USC, Wash. St. vs. Houston, Buffalo vs. Penn St. had over two million viewers.

The 2018 Las Vegas Bowl (Fresno St. vs. Arizona State; 3.3 million viewers) had more viewers than bowl games featuring Iowa vs. Mississippi St., TCU vs. California, Minnesota vs. Georgia Tech, Stanford vs. Pitt, Purdue vs. Auburn, and South Carolina vs. Virginia had.

The 2018 Army-Navy game had over 8 million viewers, UCF's 2018 games vs. Cincinnati and Memphis had over 3 million viewers, the 2018 BYU vs. Wisconsin game had more than 2.9 million viewers, the 2018 GT-USF game had 2.5 million viewers, the 2018 Ball State vs. Notre Dame game had 2.5 million viewers.

The 2017 Peach Bowl ([b]UCF vs. Auburn) had 8.4 million viewers, the 2017 Las Vegas Bowl (Boise St. vs. Oregon) had 3.8 million viewers, the 2017 Armed Forces Bowl (Army vs. SDSU) had 3.5 million viewers, the 2017 Liberty Bowl (Iowa St. vs. Memphis) had 3.4 million viewers, and the 2017 Birmingham Bowl (USF vs. Texas Tech) had 3.4 million viewers.

NOTE: In addition, the 2017 Army-Navy game had [b]8.4 million viewers, the 2017 UCF-USF game had 4.6 million viewers[/b], the 2017 Texas Tech vs. Houston game had 3.75 million viewers, the 2017 Cincinnati vs. Michigan game had 3.6 million viewers, the November, 2017 UCF vs. Memphis game had 3.4 million viewers, the 2017 UCLA-Memphis and Navy-Notre Dame games each had 3.2 million viewers, the 2017 BYU vs. Wisconsin and Akron vs Penn State games each had 2.3 million viewers, and the Fresno St. vs. Alabama game had 2 million viewers.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

(06-04-2021 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  I guess I’m not understanding how the much poorer G5 could overcome those disadvantages by outbidding the normal financial backers. Wouldn’t this just make the rich richer and the poor poorer?

I think that the above data from the 2017 through 2020 bowl games provide strong evidence that a game between the top-ranked non-P5 team and a top 15 P5 team would be capable of generating at least 3-4 million viewers, and could generate as many 6+ million viewers (the #7 bowl games had 8.7 million, 8.4 million, 6.2 million and 5.8 million viewers in 2018, 2019 and 2020, respectively).

Thus, a G5-sponsored "NY7" quality bowl would be likely to generate enough revenue to benefit both teams that would play in it.

(06-04-2021 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  As fans, we’d all love to see the game, but would the universities, especially those whose teams would rarely be in the running for this game most years, consider this money well spent?

That would depend on what kind of viewership the proposed bowl game would be capable of generating.

Let's bear in mind the fact that the total enrollment of the 65 non-P5 FBS universities is nearly equivalent to the total enrollment of the 65 P5 universities, and that many fans of non-P5 teams would have a particular interest in watching a game sponsored by the G5 conferences and presented as a "challenge bowl," with the two teams representing the G5 and P5 conferences.

If the viewership levels would be in the predicted (3.5 to 5+ million viewers) range, it should be possible for the bowl to become self-sustaining, particularly if it is able to attract a reasonably strong corporate sponsor.

NOTE: It shouldn't be difficult to find a corporate sponsor for such a bowl game, since a large national corporation would have a strong financial interest in sponsoring a game that would be keenly followed by the students, fans, alumni, staff, families, and communities of 65 of the nation's largest universities and the three major service academies.


If the sponsored bowl were to become self-sustaining, the schools wouldn't have to keep contributing after the first or second bowl game is played, and they would be able to receive distributions that would pay them back for their initial investments.

One way to ensure that the universities that aren't able to send teams to play in the NY7 bowl would come out ahead would be to stipulate in advance that whichever non-P5 team would happen to play in the NY7 bowl would only receive a sum large enough to pay for their travel and related expenses, plus a small honorarium. Most of the "purse" that would ordinarily go to the non-P5 team's school could instead be distributed to all the non-P5 universities.

In that case, the P5 school would be playing, chiefly, for the honor of representing the non-P5 universities in the game, with the knowledge that, by playing the game, they would be helping to even the playing field between the P5 and non-P5 teams. Needless to say, playing in such a game would also boost their schools' recruiting and attendance.

(06-04-2021 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  I might be missing something here that answers those questions, but while I’d love the game, I don’t see how it actually happens.

Hopefully, I have answered your questions effectively. While I don't have all the facts and figures to prove that it would be feasible, I'm pretty sure that a feasibility study would make it clear that such a bowl game could be a real success.

Logically, my reasoning would be that more than half of the bowls that have been able to be self-sustaining with less than three million viewers. The top 17 bowls in 2019 had more than 3 million viewers. A "NY7" quality bowl, featuring the #2 non-P5 team and a top 15 or top 20 P5 team should be able to make the top 10 list in viewership, and the likelihood of being one of the top 11 to 17 bowl games would be very high.

It wouldn't cost much to do a feasibility study. Do you think that you and other fans would be in favor of conducting such an exploratory study, with the understanding that a bowl game wouldn't be sponsored unless it is found to be nearly certain to benefit all of the non-P5 universities that would be underwriting it?

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(06-03-2021 11:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 01:55 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  An Independent New Years Day Bowl game has been a dream of mine for years but unfortunately it makes too much sense and too many powers that be would not benefit from it. Suppose you developed a New Years day bowl game the pitted to to bridesmaid champs of the G5 against each other and gave them a prime time spot on Fox or CBS. It would certainly help with brand development and generate revenue. A new bowl doesn't even have to be created, just dedicate one to the cause and shift it to a New Years spot and bump the pay a little bit. Everyone would adjust.

The AAC tried-ish to have their own bowl with a million dollar payout. It lasted 3 years before ESPN gobbled it up. The Arizona Bowl has way less in payout, but has held tight even though it was only aired on ASN and CollegeInsiders.com for the first two years, then CBSSN the three season after that. Now they were rewarded with a CBS spot on NYE. Finding an independent bowl that has the nerve to look outside the ESPN bubble would be tough.

Yes and no. Yes---The AAC tried to have their own bowl and ended up selling it to ESPN. No--it did NOT have a million dollar pay out. It was far far below that. For most of its short life it was the lowest or next to lowest payout of all the bowls. Year one I think the payout was only $100K per team. It got better---but it was always at or very near the bottom of all the bowls with respect to payout. Ive always said the G5 could create a pretty nice post season for themselves--but they would have to ante up to cover the starter costs for a bowl with a high enough payout to attract a high quality P5 opponent. It wont be cheap going in---but once the start up costs are sunk----I see no reason why a bowl with a G5 conference champ playing a high quality (perhaps even ranked) P5 opponent would not make money or at least break even. But a G5 conference would have to be willing to sink about 5 million (at least) into the bowl for start up costs. Its a sizable investment---but thats what it will take to create a decent guaranteed post season slot for a G5 conference. No existing bowl with a payout high enough to attract a high quality P5 opponent is going to sign a deal with a G5 conference. Thats just the way it is. If a G5 conference wants a slot in such a bowl----its going to have to own the bowl.

(06-05-2021 09:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 11:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 01:55 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  An Independent New Years Day Bowl game has been a dream of mine for years but unfortunately it makes too much sense and too many powers that be would not benefit from it. Suppose you developed a New Years day bowl game the pitted to to bridesmaid champs of the G5 against each other and gave them a prime time spot on Fox or CBS. It would certainly help with brand development and generate revenue. A new bowl doesn't even have to be created, just dedicate one to the cause and shift it to a New Years spot and bump the pay a little bit. Everyone would adjust.

The AAC tried-ish to have their own bowl with a million dollar payout. It lasted 3 years before ESPN gobbled it up. The Arizona Bowl has way less in payout, but has held tight even though it was only aired on ASN and CollegeInsiders.com for the first two years, then CBSSN the three season after that. Now they were rewarded with a CBS spot on NYE. Finding an independent bowl that has the nerve to look outside the ESPN bubble would be tough.

Yes and no. Yes---The AAC tried to have their own bowl and ended up selling it to ESPN. No--it did NOT have a million dollar pay out. It was far far below that. For most of its short life it was the lowest or next to lowest payout of all the bowls. Year one I think the payout was only $100K per team. It got better---but it was always at or very near the bottom of all the bowls with respect to payout. Ive always said the G5 could create a pretty nice post season for themselves--but they would have to ante up to cover the starter costs for a bowl with a high enough payout to attract a high quality P5 opponent. It wont be cheap going in---but once the start up costs are sunk----I see no reason why a bowl with a G5 conference champ playing a high quality (perhaps even ranked) P5 opponent would not make money or at least break even. But a G5 conference would have to be willing to sink about 5 million (at least) into the bowl for start up costs. Its a sizable investment---but thats what it will take to create a decent guaranteed post season slot for a G5 conference. No existing bowl with a payout high enough to attract a high quality P5 opponent is going to sign a deal with a G5 conference. Thats just the way it is. If a G5 conference wants a slot in such a bowl----its going to have to own the bowl.

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I think if the right location was chosen, I’m not sure how much revenue would have to be added by said conferences if the right partnership is achieved.

(06-02-2021 01:55 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  An Independent New Years Day Bowl game has been a dream of mine for years... Suppose you developed a New Years day bowl game the pitted to to bridesmaid champs of the G5 against each other and gave them a prime time spot on Fox or CBS. It would certainly help with brand development and generate revenue. A new bowl doesn't even have to be created, just dedicate one to the cause and shift it to a New Years spot and bump the pay a little bit. Everyone would adjust.

That's a very interesting idea, and it might work if we continue to see multiple non-P5 teams in the final CFP top 20.

A matchup of the top two non-P5 teams in a 2020 bowl game would have pitted #11 (11-0) Coastal Carolina vs. #16 (10-1) BYU. Considering that CCU vs. Liberty had 2.64 million viewers, a CCU vs. BYU bowl game probably might have had ~ 4 million viewers.

(06-03-2021 11:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The AAC tried-ish to have their own bowl with a million dollar payout. It lasted 3 years before ESPN gobbled it up.

The problem with that example is that that was years ago, and it was an attempt by a single conference. The "NY7" bowl idea would have a much better chance of success, since there would be five conferences sponsoring it, not one.

(06-03-2021 11:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Finding an independent bowl that has the nerve to look outside the ESPN bubble would be tough.

Not necessarily, and there would be nothing to prevent the G5 from starting up an entirely new bowl game.

(06-05-2021 09:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes---The AAC tried to have their own bowl and ended up selling it to ESPN. No--it did NOT have a million dollar pay out. It was far far below that. For most of its short life it was the lowest or next to lowest payout of all the bowls. Year one I think the payout was only $100K per team. It got better---but it was always at or very near the bottom of all the bowls with respect to payout.

Interesting.

(06-05-2021 09:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ive always said the G5 could create a pretty nice post season for themselves--but they would have to ante up to cover the starter costs for a bowl with a high enough payout to attract a high quality P5 opponent.

It wont be cheap going in---but once the start up costs are sunk----I see no reason why a bowl with a G5 conference champ playing a high quality P5 opponent would not make money or at least break even.

But a G5 conference would have to be willing to sink about 5 million (at least) into the bowl for start up costs. Its a sizable investment---but thats what it will take to create a decent guaranteed post season slot for a G5 conference.

That would be about $500,000 per school in the SBC, $450,000 per school in the AAC, and ~$400,000 per school in the MAC and MWC.

However, this could be financed, to make it more affordable.

Most schools could afford ~$100,000 per year for four years, especially if they have some reason to expect that they will eventually make money if the bowl becomes a cash cow at some point in the future.

(06-05-2021 09:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  No existing bowl with a payout high enough to attract a high quality P5 opponent is going to sign a deal with a G5 conference. Thats just the way it is. If a G5 conference wants a slot in such a bowl----its going to have to own the bowl.

Makes sense, but ownership also has its rewards. It will cost the schools something, but it could pay off in the long run.

It's also important to note that, due to the resurgence of the BYU, Army, and Liberty football programs, there might be times when a highly-ranked FBS independent would be a worthy opponent for the #2 G5 conference team to play in a "NY7" bowl. For example:

2020 (AP #13; CFP #16) (10-1) BYU
2020 (AP #23) (9-1) Liberty
2018 (AP #22) (11-2) Army
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(06-05-2021 10:08 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  I think if the right location was chosen, I’m not sure how much revenue would have to be added by said conferences if the right partnership is achieved.

True, much would depend on location, corporate partnerships, and the other details, including skillful management.

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