(05-28-2021 09:15 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 02:07 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 12:21 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:14 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i didn't get why they were so offended by being a stepping stone that they went looking for a coach who would hang around a while. at our level we need upwardly mobile coaches. if they do great they'll leave us and hopefully we find another one.

When a coach leaves after two years, and the coach who replaced him lasted about 15 minutes, the student athletes on the team became a bit disenchanted. Stability in the position was a qualifying factor. Will Carey be successful? This year will be telling. Yes they were ravaged by Covid (practice schedules from Hell) and yes the portal left the team with a lot of good players seeking P5 exposure) but Carey did a pretty good job in the portal bringing talent back. This year his coaching chops (or lack thereof) will be on display. I'm will to give the benefit of the doubt.

This ^^^^^^^^.

I agree with everything Fishpro says, except the benefit of the doubt regarding Carey. I get we had Covid issues (everyone did) and injuries (everyone did) but we had blowout losses to Buffalo, SMU, UCF and UNC prior to that. With like 5 NFL guys on defense! We lost to a terrible Navy team last year and barely beat a terrible USF team (no offense Middies and Bulls) If what many prognosticators say will happen, namely that Temple is a 3 win team this year, what will we do? Congratulate ourselves on a 200% improvement? Again, hope I’m wrong and we are 9-3 fighting to get in the championship game. I just don’t see it with Carey.
As for Collins, he was neither a good coach or recruiter. We are feeling the effects of his dismal recruiting now. He underperformed with a championship team he inherited including a loss to Villanova. The yokels at GT said hey if he can win at Temple he can certainly win at Tech and hired him. Addazio left us in a similar position.
As for Bill Cosby what a piece of garbage.Thanks for leaving your stench on my school!

When it comes to celebrities, Hall and Oates also attended Temple.

Geoff Collins might be available after this season

(05-28-2021 09:15 AM)vick mike Wrote:  As for Collins, he was neither a good coach or recruiter. We are feeling the effects of his dismal recruiting now. He underperformed with a championship team he inherited including a loss to Villanova. The yokels at GT said hey if he can win at Temple he can certainly win at Tech and hired him. Addazio left us in a similar position.

As somebody who watched the flaming disaster that was Willie Taggart's post-USF coaching career, I've been thinking about how often coach poaching has worked out, and for sure the results are mixed. For sure, Cincinnati served as a great stepping stone for Mark Dantonio and Brian Kelly, but Butch Jones not so much. Chad Morris and Tom Herman both didn't last long, and Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin were ultimately fired but had some successes. I think we can all agree that the jury is still way out on Justin Fuente and Scott Frost, too, but it's definitely been way more miss than hit.

Looking at the Temple hires, Al Golden's Miami tenure isn't looked back upon fondly, and Steve Addazio was fired by Boston College. That more or less makes Matt Rhule's brief run at Baylor one of the few examples of a good move. Can't really say anything about Manny Diaz (should that really count?), but I would say the track record probably doesn't bode well for Collins' success at GT.

USFFan

(05-28-2021 09:27 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  Geoff Collins might be available after this season

Perhaps, if the team doesn't show signs of progress. However, there are some GT fans who seem to think that he might be moving their program in the right direction.

If he does become available in the next year or two, a lot of Temple fans would like to see him return.

Temple will lose to Rutgers, BC and Memphis setting up a Friday night road game at Nippert that will be a nationally televised bloodbath.

(05-28-2021 08:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:32 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not sure I falla the OP.

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If you don't follow the logic of the OP, here's a synopsis of Carey's career:

1. Carey inherited a Northern Illinois (NIU) team that had averaged 11 wins per year, finished the 2012 season in the top 25 (#22), and left him with a large pool of talented players.

2. The program's performance began to drop off, most noticeably in 2015 (8-6), as the pool of talent from the 2012 NIU team departed and was not successfully replenished.

3. NIU's average record declined to a mediocre 7.25 wins and 6 losses (.558) during Carey's last four seasons as Head Coach.

4. NIU's average ranking in the Massey Composite Rankings during Carey's last four seasons there was #74th - - quite a drop, considering that he had inherited a #22-ranked team only a few years earlier.

--With Carey at the helm, NIU finished the 2018 season ranked #87th in scoring and #120th in total yards per game.

5. Carey's bowl record at NIU was 0-6 and now stands at 0-7.

6. When Carey came to Temple, he inherited a program that had won an average of 8.75 wins per year over the past four years and had amassed a large pool of talented players.

7. Despite playing a relatively easy schedule (SOS: #75) in Carey's first season, playing seven of their regular season games vs. teams with losing records, the Owls only managed to go 1-6 vs. teams that finished with winning records, and three of their five losses were blowouts, including a 63-21 loss to UCF on Temple's home field.

--The 2019 Owls finished the season ranked #90th in pts scored and #92nd in total yardage.

8. Carey's bowl record dropped to 0-7 after Temple's 13-55 defeat in the 2019 Military Bowl.

9. Carey led the Owls to a 1-6 record in 2020. The 2020 Owls finished the season ranked #113 in pts. scored and #109 in opponent pts/game, despite playing a relatively easy schedule (strength of schedule: #86).

10. Despite inheriting a program that had won 64.8% of its games over the four preceding seasons, Carey's record at Temple now stands at 9-12 (.429), and the team's average Massey Composite ranking over the past two seasons is #86th.

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Even if he goes 2-10 and sinks the program to lower depths, a new president and new AD are still far away from becoming a reality. Carey will have the 2022 season to see if he can accomplish his final task - going winless. That would be make the late 90s and early 2000s coaches jealous.

Good luck

(05-28-2021 09:25 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 09:15 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 02:07 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 12:21 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:14 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i didn't get why they were so offended by being a stepping stone that they went looking for a coach who would hang around a while. at our level we need upwardly mobile coaches. if they do great they'll leave us and hopefully we find another one.

When a coach leaves after two years, and the coach who replaced him lasted about 15 minutes, the student athletes on the team became a bit disenchanted. Stability in the position was a qualifying factor. Will Carey be successful? This year will be telling. Yes they were ravaged by Covid (practice schedules from Hell) and yes the portal left the team with a lot of good players seeking P5 exposure) but Carey did a pretty good job in the portal bringing talent back. This year his coaching chops (or lack thereof) will be on display. I'm will to give the benefit of the doubt.

This ^^^^^^^^.

I agree with everything Fishpro says, except the benefit of the doubt regarding Carey. I get we had Covid issues (everyone did) and injuries (everyone did) but we had blowout losses to Buffalo, SMU, UCF and UNC prior to that. With like 5 NFL guys on defense! We lost to a terrible Navy team last year and barely beat a terrible USF team (no offense Middies and Bulls) If what many prognosticators say will happen, namely that Temple is a 3 win team this year, what will we do? Congratulate ourselves on a 200% improvement? Again, hope I’m wrong and we are 9-3 fighting to get in the championship game. I just don’t see it with Carey.
As for Collins, he was neither a good coach or recruiter. We are feeling the effects of his dismal recruiting now. He underperformed with a championship team he inherited including a loss to Villanova. The yokels at GT said hey if he can win at Temple he can certainly win at Tech and hired him. Addazio left us in a similar position.
As for Bill Cosby what a piece of garbage.Thanks for leaving your stench on my school!

When it comes to celebrities, Hall and Oates also attended Temple.

I love H&O. Now a huge Temple fan.

Here's a recent post on a Temple message board:

"Temple favored by 4 or more points: Wagner

Temple between favored or dogs by 3 points: USF, Akron, Navy

Temple dogs by 4 or more points: Rutgers, BC, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, Houston, Tulsa

I don’t see where we have improved from the 1 win 2020 squad, same coaches, lots of turnover. I see a 3-9 season, hope it can get flipped, but not optimistic."

(05-28-2021 11:06 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Temple will lose to Rutgers, BC and Memphis setting up a Friday night road game at Nippert that will be a nationally televised bloodbath.

Are you kidding me. After you beat Notre Dame the week before you meet us, you get giddy, then you snooze, and then you lose. Has trap game written all over it.

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Somebody on one of threads accused me of being "anti-Temple" just because I - like many other Temple fans have criticized the decision to hire Carey to a long, expensive contract. Here's my response:

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GO OWLS ! ! !

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(05-28-2021 02:19 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 11:06 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Temple will lose to Rutgers, BC and Memphis setting up a Friday night road game at Nippert that will be a nationally televised bloodbath.

Are you kidding me. After you beat Notre Dame the week before you meet us, you get giddy, then you snooze, and then you lose. Has trap game written all over it.

We wanted the bloodbath game this past season but COVID-interruptus. Looks like we'll get our chance again in 2021.

(05-28-2021 10:54 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 09:27 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  Geoff Collins might be available after this season

Perhaps, if the team doesn't show signs of progress. However, there are some GT fans who seem to think that he might be moving their program in the right direction.

If he does become available in the next year or two, a lot of Temple fans would like to see him return.

LOL you couldn’t name two who’d want that clown show back. He lost to Nova.

(05-28-2021 11:06 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Temple will lose to Rutgers, BC and Memphis setting up a Friday night road game at Nippert that will be a nationally televised bloodbath.

I think we get covid that week. Purely coincidental.

(05-28-2021 12:21 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Here's a recent post on a Temple message board:

"Temple favored by 4 or more points: Wagner

Temple between favored or dogs by 3 points: USF, Akron, Navy

Temple dogs by 4 or more points: Rutgers, BC, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, Houston, Tulsa

I don’t see where we have improved from the 1 win 2020 squad, same coaches, lots of turnover. I see a 3-9 season, hope it can get flipped, but not optimistic."

That’s my post! Do I get paid for this?

(05-28-2021 05:01 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 12:21 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Here's a recent post on a Temple message board:

"Temple favored by 4 or more points: Wagner

Temple between favored or dogs by 3 points: USF, Akron, Navy

Temple dogs by 4 or more points: Rutgers, BC, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, Houston, Tulsa

I don’t see where we have improved from the 1 win 2020 squad, same coaches, lots of turnover. I see a 3-9 season, hope it can get flipped, but not optimistic."

That’s my post! Do I get paid for this?

+2 (tomorrow)

(05-28-2021 04:57 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 10:54 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 09:27 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  Geoff Collins might be available after this season

Perhaps, if the team doesn't show signs of progress. However, there are some GT fans who seem to think that he might be moving their program in the right direction.

If he does become available in the next year or two, a lot of Temple fans would like to see him return.

LOL you couldn’t name two who’d want that clown show back. He lost to Nova.

That truly was an abomination. I was thinking about the fact that Temple finished the 2018 season ranked #15th in the nation in points scored (36.4 ppg, nearly twice as many as the team scored last season).

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(05-28-2021 02:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 02:19 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 11:06 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Temple will lose to Rutgers, BC and Memphis setting up a Friday night road game at Nippert that will be a nationally televised bloodbath.

Are you kidding me. After you beat Notre Dame the week before you meet us, you get giddy, then you snooze, and then you lose. Has trap game written all over it.

We wanted the bloodbath game this past season but COVID-interruptus. Looks like we'll get our chance again in 2021.

Too late. We've moved on in the portal to an outstanding QB. Keeping it close will not be a problem. Winning will depend upon our defense.

This Dan Morrison guy is some UMass clown, who has never watched a Temple game in his life. Somehow, that makes him qualified to continue to write garbage trashing our football program.

We will be fine. This is nonsense.

(05-28-2021 10:54 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  If he does become available in the next year or two, a lot of Temple fans would like to see him return.

You don't speak for us, especially because it isn't remotely true.

(05-28-2021 11:10 AM)Off_The_Hook Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 08:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:32 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not sure I falla the OP.

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If you don't follow the logic of the OP, here's a synopsis of Carey's career:

1. Carey inherited a Northern Illinois (NIU) team that had averaged 11 wins per year, finished the 2012 season in the top 25 (#22), and left him with a large pool of talented players.

2. The program's performance began to drop off, most noticeably in 2015 (8-6), as the pool of talent from the 2012 NIU team departed and was not successfully replenished.

3. NIU's average record declined to a mediocre 7.25 wins and 6 losses (.558) during Carey's last four seasons as Head Coach.

4. NIU's average ranking in the Massey Composite Rankings during Carey's last four seasons there was #74th - - quite a drop, considering that he had inherited a #22-ranked team only a few years earlier.

--With Carey at the helm, NIU finished the 2018 season ranked #87th in scoring and #120th in total yards per game.

5. Carey's bowl record at NIU was 0-6 and now stands at 0-7.

6. When Carey came to Temple, he inherited a program that had won an average of 8.75 wins per year over the past four years and had amassed a large pool of talented players.

7. Despite playing a relatively easy schedule (SOS: #75) in Carey's first season, playing seven of their regular season games vs. teams with losing records, the Owls only managed to go 1-6 vs. teams that finished with winning records, and three of their five losses were blowouts, including a 63-21 loss to UCF on Temple's home field.

--The 2019 Owls finished the season ranked #90th in pts scored and #92nd in total yardage.

8. Carey's bowl record dropped to 0-7 after Temple's 13-55 defeat in the 2019 Military Bowl.

9. Carey led the Owls to a 1-6 record in 2020. The 2020 Owls finished the season ranked #113 in pts. scored and #109 in opponent pts/game, despite playing a relatively easy schedule (strength of schedule: #86).

10. Despite inheriting a program that had won 64.8% of its games over the four preceding seasons, Carey's record at Temple now stands at 9-12 (.429), and the team's average Massey Composite ranking over the past two seasons is #86th.

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Even if he goes 2-10 and sinks the program to lower depths, a new president and new AD are still far away from becoming a reality. Carey will have the 2022 season to see if he can accomplish his final task - going winless. That would be make the late 90s and early 2000s coaches jealous.

Good luck

We'll have a new president and AD by the fall.