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(05-25-2021 03:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
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(05-24-2021 06:31 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote:  I wonder who runs Rice's money? At $6 billion (lower than what we have now), achieving a percentage point better a year than the returns we have gotten would yield an extra $60 million. As I understand it, those are tax free dollars. $60 million will buy you a lot of coaching talent (or if you are so inclined, engineering talent or architecture talent or nano-technology talent or brie for the president's cocktail hour).

The Rice Management company. Our endowment performs better than higher education endowments broadly, and on par with the top schools. They have a bunch of benchmarking done on their website.


Endowment Returns (just selected some peers easily seached online. I'm sure there are others that Rice outperforms)

Yale: 1 year: 6.8%, 10 years: 10.9%, 20 years: 9.9%
Brown: 1 year: 12.1%, 10 years: 10.2%, 20 years: 8.1%
Princeton: 1 year: 5.6%, 10 years: 10.6%
Stanford: 1 year: 5.6%, 10 years: 9.3%, 20 years: 8.1%
Rice: 1 year: -0.7%, 10 years: 9.3%, 20 years: 7.3%
UTIMCO: 1 year: 9.5%, 10 years: 8.4%, 20 years: 6.3%

https://www.pionline.com/section/endowments

Here's a good tracker... It doesn't include the 20 year returns.. But some peers that we've outperformed on a ten-year time horizon include Duke, UVA, Columbia, Wash U, Northwestern, Tulane, and several others.

Of course, I'd always prefer that we were the best, but it's hazy at best that we're really lagging other institutions in investment performance. I would also assume that our "legacy investments" are over weighted in oil & gas which has been a dog of a sector over the last ten years (though quite good over the last 12 months).

Thanks for the link, and I agree. Would be nice to hit those Yale/Brown returns though.
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(05-05-2021 06:28 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
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(05-05-2021 11:48 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering what percent of those two would you weight each for an AD then?

That's hard to say. Certainly he should be held accountable for the dismal performance of the men's sports and, especially, for overseeing the disgraceful and precipitous collapse of our once great baseball program (for which he played a leading role). However, by the same token, he should get credit for the unprecedented success of almost every women's sports program. More to the point, JK is directly responsible for turning around a long disfunctional athletic department. How you weigh the grade is up to interpretation.

Okay, fair enough.
But if we could have the exact reverse of the current situation, i.e.:
a) unprecedented success of the top 3 Men's sports programs (football, basketball, baseball),
b) coupled with dismal performance of the women's sports and most other lesser men's sports,
c) as well as vision and leadership being just fine, particularly of the men's program
d) coupled with how the athletic department runs an issue
e) along with a the focus on the student-athlete (including academic tutoring/mentoring, scholarship and career development) not being so great Ditto operational budgets of the various sport programs.

Now, I get that all those together might not be exactly compatible with unprecedented success in top 3 men's sports (Football, basketball, baseball) but I think you get my question; would you be happier with the reverse of what we have going on in athletics now?

Interesting question. The obvious answer would be, yes, as unprecedented success of the big 3 men's sports would position us strongly for admission into a P5 conference, with all the benefits that that would entail. Having said that, if not for the recent success of our women's programs, I would never have fallen in love with volleyball and women's basketball, for which I'm now a season ticketholder and SID supporter.

Thanks, Walt. I'll agree that both would be preferable. And as the Big 3 men's program drives the bus, both financially and attendance-wise (well, maybe not so much at Rice, but theoretically-speaking), with unprecedented success in those 3, for any reasonable length of time, the funding to then go and "fix" what might be wrong with the other lesser sports would finally be there (again, theoretically as this is Rice and the history strongly suggests many don't like funding athletics success.)

*side-note on the Big 3 mens' and unprecedented success: where for Baseball, that would mean multiple NCAA Div I National Championships! As the current AD and admin seem to have rather unceremoniously booted the only man to ever do that while a Head Coach at Rice (to put it mildly), it does seem even less than likely. BTW, how old is Leebron, anyway? Even Castro and Chavez eventually moved on. Sigh.

Called it first. Just sayin'.
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This is actually a HUGE opportunity for JK.

1) use whatever contacts he has within the board (which is far greater than zero) to push for someone with experience at a highly academic institution that has competitive (p5) athletics. Ga Tech maybe?? Michigan? UT? UNC?? UCLA? Leverage the athletic and athletic friendly alumni to do this. There are a lot of us relative to any other specific 'push'.
2) make a SPLASH hire in baseball... whether at the top or not, have it include a team as opposed to simply one person. Berkmann without people experienced at the college level will struggle, as would Hallmark without people with pro credibility.
3) put some pressure on Bloomgren. Get it done or be gone, like Bragga
4) reach out to Wayne... We could have done exactly what we have (in terms of performance AND the hill now to climb) and NOT have lost a legend in the process. He may not respond at first, but if you're genuine, humble and persistent, you will earn his respect.

Make a lot of the changes I've suggested... or some version of them using his knowledge. Both for athletics and the University, this is 'money in motion' and that creates an opportunity for structural changes. If you sit back, these decisions will be made FOR you, not WITH you.
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Yesterday Princeton's AD was announced as the new commissioner of the Ladies Professional Golf Association.

https://www.morningread.com/news-opinion...mmissioner

https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2021/...ioner.aspx

Might JK be in the running to be her successor?
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(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  SO
This is actually a HUGE opportunity for JK.

1) use whatever contacts he has within the board (which is far greater than zero) to push for someone with experience at a highly academic institution that has competitive (p5) athletics. Ga Tech maybe?? Michigan? UT? UNC?? UCLA? Leverage the athletic and athletic friendly alumni to do this. There are a lot of us relative to any other specific 'push'.
2) make a SPLASH hire in baseball... whether at the top or not, have it include a team as opposed to simply one person. Berkmann without people experienced at the college level will struggle, as would Hallmark without people with pro credibility.
3) put some pressure on Bloomgren. Get it done or be gone, like Bragga
4) reach out to Wayne... We could have done exactly what we have (in terms of performance AND the hill now to climb) and NOT have lost a legend in the process. He may not respond at first, but if you're genuine, humble and persistent, you will earn his respect.

Make a lot of the changes I've suggested... or some version of them using his knowledge. Both for athletics and the University, this is 'money in motion' and that creates an opportunity for structural changes. If you sit back, these decisions will be made FOR you, not WITH you.

A couple points...

1. Wayne is not going to re-engage with Rice with JK still around. Non-starter. Full stop.

2. The baseball coaching hire needs to be the "right" choice, not necessarily a "splash" choice. And the AD does not hire a team of coaches. No one would accept the head coach job if they didn't have the freedom to select their own coaching staff. And do tell why Hallmark would struggle without "pro credibility"? I could see Pat bringing on Van Hook (as Assistant Head coach), a quality pitching coach (though Pat, as did Wayne, would work with the pitchers), possibly retaining Janish and/or bring back Shepperd. That's a pretty darn good coaching staff, IMHO.
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(05-26-2021 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  SO
This is actually a HUGE opportunity for JK.

1) use whatever contacts he has within the board (which is far greater than zero) to push for someone with experience at a highly academic institution that has competitive (p5) athletics. Ga Tech maybe?? Michigan? UT? UNC?? UCLA? Leverage the athletic and athletic friendly alumni to do this. There are a lot of us relative to any other specific 'push'.
2) make a SPLASH hire in baseball... whether at the top or not, have it include a team as opposed to simply one person. Berkmann without people experienced at the college level will struggle, as would Hallmark without people with pro credibility.
3) put some pressure on Bloomgren. Get it done or be gone, like Bragga
4) reach out to Wayne... We could have done exactly what we have (in terms of performance AND the hill now to climb) and NOT have lost a legend in the process. He may not respond at first, but if you're genuine, humble and persistent, you will earn his respect.

Make a lot of the changes I've suggested... or some version of them using his knowledge. Both for athletics and the University, this is 'money in motion' and that creates an opportunity for structural changes. If you sit back, these decisions will be made FOR you, not WITH you.

A couple points...

1. Wayne is not going to re-engage with Rice with JK still around. Non-starter. Full stop.

2. The baseball coaching hire needs to be the "right" choice, not necessarily a "splash" choice. And the AD does not hire a team of coaches. No one would accept the head coach job if they didn't have the freedom to select their own coaching staff. And do tell why Hallmark would struggle without "pro credibility"? I could see Pat bringing on Van Hook (as Assistant Head coach), a quality pitching coach (though Pat, as did Wayne, would work with the pitchers), possibly retaining Janish and/or bring back Shepperd. That's a pretty darn good coaching staff, IMHO.

Agree with all of these save Shepperd. Not a fan.

Let's not rule out Jose Cruz, Jr. either. I have seen others mention him as well. Either way I would hope JC stays involved with the program one way or another.
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(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  SO
This is actually a HUGE opportunity for JK.

1) use whatever contacts he has within the board (which is far greater than zero) to push for someone with experience at a highly academic institution that has competitive (p5) athletics. Ga Tech maybe?? Michigan? UT? UNC?? UCLA? Leverage the athletic and athletic friendly alumni to do this. There are a lot of us relative to any other specific 'push'.
2) make a SPLASH hire in baseball... whether at the top or not, have it include a team as opposed to simply one person. Berkmann without people experienced at the college level will struggle, as would Hallmark without people with pro credibility.
3) put some pressure on Bloomgren. Get it done or be gone, like Bragga
4) reach out to Wayne... We could have done exactly what we have (in terms of performance AND the hill now to climb) and NOT have lost a legend in the process. He may not respond at first, but if you're genuine, humble and persistent, you will earn his respect.

Make a lot of the changes I've suggested... or some version of them using his knowledge. Both for athletics and the University, this is 'money in motion' and that creates an opportunity for structural changes. If you sit back, these decisions will be made FOR you, not WITH you.

If I were JK, I'd be dusting off my resume. He's gonna have trouble polishing the turd of most of his tenure here.
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(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  SO
This is actually a HUGE opportunity for JK.

1) use whatever contacts he has within the board (which is far greater than zero) to push for someone with experience at a highly academic institution that has competitive (p5) athletics. Ga Tech maybe?? Michigan? UT? UNC?? UCLA? Leverage the athletic and athletic friendly alumni to do this. There are a lot of us relative to any other specific 'push'.

Notre Dame?
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(05-26-2021 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  A couple points...

1. Wayne is not going to re-engage with Rice with JK still around. Non-starter. Full stop.

I didn't want to be this blunt, but my point was that he needs to show a little ability to admit that he was wrong... and reaching out to Wayne would be part of that. I would expect that he would likely be gone one way or another before Wayne accepted the outreach, but it's still the right thing to do, regardless of how Wayne responds.

Even if you're 100% right about Wayne Walt, so am I about what JK should do. The right thing is still the right thing. Full stop as well.

Quote:2. The baseball coaching hire needs to be the "right" choice, not necessarily a "splash" choice. And the AD does not hire a team of coaches. No one would accept the head coach job if they didn't have the freedom to select their own coaching staff. And do tell why Hallmark would struggle without "pro credibility"? I could see Pat bringing on Van Hook (as Assistant Head coach), a quality pitching coach (though Pat, as did Wayne, would work with the pitchers), possibly retaining Janish and/or bring back Shepperd. That's a pretty darn good coaching staff, IMHO.

I think the new 'free agency' of college sports requires a different perspective that includes fairly recent experience with being a free agent... especially at the top levels, as opposed to the experience of the minor leagues as was the case previously. I think ANY coach that comes on board, including Pat, would want such a person and that it would aid in recruiting... especially for those 'top' kids... getting guys who would make their one transfer TO Rice.... so I think the 'right' choice IS a 'splash' choice....

and while you're taking issue with my characterization, I think a Berkman hire would likely include Pettit and that he would be wise to add some college recruiting capabilities.... while Pat Hallmark would (IMO) be wise to add some pro credibility. I didn't suggest that they not be able to pick their own assistants, I just gave some scope to my suggestions... AND I think if I were AD, I'd be more inclined to look favorably on a coach whose process involved leveraging (for both players and donors) the meaningful number of top pro graduates that we have associated with our program. Whether it is Berkman or Pettit or Cruz or maybe even Janish... but I think the first 3 might carry more weight based on name recognition.

Note Walt that you disagreed that Pat needed pro credibility, and then you added Paul Janish (a veteran of 9 pro years) to your list for him of a quality staff. SO what are you arguing against??

I call it a 'splash' because I want to differentiate it between the same staff you listed but without Janish... or Cruz or Pettit or Berkman. That to me is not meaningfully different from what everyone else in Texas college baseball puts out there. As good as Schloss and others may be, the stakes are even higher in the new world, and we need to experience a quick turnaround. While we might get a bunch of Schloss's or Hallmark's current players who want to transfer to Rice, I think we might get players from all over to transfer to us for Berkman et all or Hallmark plus a Cruz type name. MAYBE Janish would have the same/similar pull, I don't know. Let Pat decide who and why, but this is the new reality.

Berkmann, Hallmark and Pettit would of course be the dream team... Pitching, hitting, name recognition and strategy, but I don't see that happening

But hey, if Basketball Free Agents can essentially create their own dream teams, why not former pro/college coaches??
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(05-26-2021 07:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  A couple points...

1. Wayne is not going to re-engage with Rice with JK still around. Non-starter. Full stop.

I didn't want to be this blunt, but my point was that he needs to show a little ability to admit that he was wrong... and reaching out to Wayne would be part of that. I would expect that he would likely be gone one way or another before Wayne accepted the outreach, but it's still the right thing to do, regardless of how Wayne responds.

Even if you're 100% right about Wayne Walt, so am I about what JK should do. The right thing is still the right thing. Full stop as well.

Quote:2. The baseball coaching hire needs to be the "right" choice, not necessarily a "splash" choice. And the AD does not hire a team of coaches. No one would accept the head coach job if they didn't have the freedom to select their own coaching staff. And do tell why Hallmark would struggle without "pro credibility"? I could see Pat bringing on Van Hook (as Assistant Head coach), a quality pitching coach (though Pat, as did Wayne, would work with the pitchers), possibly retaining Janish and/or bring back Shepperd. That's a pretty darn good coaching staff, IMHO.

I think the new 'free agency' of college sports requires a different perspective that includes fairly recent experience with being a free agent... especially at the top levels, as opposed to the experience of the minor leagues as was the case previously. I think ANY coach that comes on board, including Pat, would want such a person and that it would aid in recruiting... especially for those 'top' kids... getting guys who would make their one transfer TO Rice.... so I think the 'right' choice IS a 'splash' choice....

and while you're taking issue with my characterization, I think a Berkman hire would likely include Pettit and that he would be wise to add some college recruiting capabilities.... while Pat Hallmark would (IMO) be wise to add some pro credibility. I didn't suggest that they not be able to pick their own assistants, I just gave some scope to my suggestions... AND I think if I were AD, I'd be more inclined to look favorably on a coach whose process involved leveraging (for both players and donors) the meaningful number of top pro graduates that we have associated with our program. Whether it is Berkman or Pettit or Cruz or maybe even Janish... but I think the first 3 might carry more weight based on name recognition.

Note Walt that you disagreed that Pat needed pro credibility, and then you added Paul Janish (a veteran of 9 pro years) to your list for him of a quality staff. SO what are you arguing against??

I call it a 'splash' because I want to differentiate it between the same staff you listed but without Janish... or Cruz or Pettit or Berkman. That to me is not meaningfully different from what everyone else in Texas college baseball puts out there. As good as Schloss and others may be, the stakes are even higher in the new world, and we need to experience a quick turnaround. While we might get a bunch of Schloss's or Hallmark's current players who want to transfer to Rice, I think we might get players from all over to transfer to us for Berkman et all or Hallmark plus a Cruz type name. MAYBE Janish would have the same/similar pull, I don't know. Let Pat decide who and why, but this is the new reality.

Berkmann, Hallmark and Pettit would of course be the dream team... Pitching, hitting, name recognition and strategy, but I don't see that happening

But hey, if Basketball Free Agents can essentially create their own dream teams, why not former pro/college coaches??

Sorry, but let's agree to disagree on your "new reality". I just don't see it that way. And, BTW, where exactly is Pettite's Rice connection? His connection is with Wayne, not Rice. Yes, one of his son's transferred here from Baylor after Tommy John Surgery, but he was never fully healthy in his three years at Reckling.

I don't think anyone would argue with Jose Cruz, Jr as a terrific candidate. He not only offers the "splash" of Berkman, but has stronger ongoing ties to Rice (given his two sons) and valuable MLB coaching/player development experience. What he lacks is the college coaching/recruiting experience, but that can be easily compensated for given his name recognition, particularly around the Houston area. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see him interested in the job, especially with Antonio graduated (though he can still come back for another year if he so chooses) and Tre in the Detroit system (where he currently coaches).

I include Janish in with a possible Hallmark staff not because of splash (which Paul really doesn't bring), but for continuity sake with current roster players and recruits. I think Pat is an outstanding coach and very solid recruiter, but Paul is 10 years younger. Neither are particularly "fun" guys in the lockerroom, which is why I think a guy like Shepperd helps round out the staff.
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(05-26-2021 07:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 07:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  A couple points...

1. Wayne is not going to re-engage with Rice with JK still around. Non-starter. Full stop.

I didn't want to be this blunt, but my point was that he needs to show a little ability to admit that he was wrong... and reaching out to Wayne would be part of that. I would expect that he would likely be gone one way or another before Wayne accepted the outreach, but it's still the right thing to do, regardless of how Wayne responds.

Even if you're 100% right about Wayne Walt, so am I about what JK should do. The right thing is still the right thing. Full stop as well.

Quote:2. The baseball coaching hire needs to be the "right" choice, not necessarily a "splash" choice. And the AD does not hire a team of coaches. No one would accept the head coach job if they didn't have the freedom to select their own coaching staff. And do tell why Hallmark would struggle without "pro credibility"? I could see Pat bringing on Van Hook (as Assistant Head coach), a quality pitching coach (though Pat, as did Wayne, would work with the pitchers), possibly retaining Janish and/or bring back Shepperd. That's a pretty darn good coaching staff, IMHO.

I think the new 'free agency' of college sports requires a different perspective that includes fairly recent experience with being a free agent... especially at the top levels, as opposed to the experience of the minor leagues as was the case previously. I think ANY coach that comes on board, including Pat, would want such a person and that it would aid in recruiting... especially for those 'top' kids... getting guys who would make their one transfer TO Rice.... so I think the 'right' choice IS a 'splash' choice....

and while you're taking issue with my characterization, I think a Berkman hire would likely include Pettit and that he would be wise to add some college recruiting capabilities.... while Pat Hallmark would (IMO) be wise to add some pro credibility. I didn't suggest that they not be able to pick their own assistants, I just gave some scope to my suggestions... AND I think if I were AD, I'd be more inclined to look favorably on a coach whose process involved leveraging (for both players and donors) the meaningful number of top pro graduates that we have associated with our program. Whether it is Berkman or Pettit or Cruz or maybe even Janish... but I think the first 3 might carry more weight based on name recognition.

Note Walt that you disagreed that Pat needed pro credibility, and then you added Paul Janish (a veteran of 9 pro years) to your list for him of a quality staff. SO what are you arguing against??

I call it a 'splash' because I want to differentiate it between the same staff you listed but without Janish... or Cruz or Pettit or Berkman. That to me is not meaningfully different from what everyone else in Texas college baseball puts out there. As good as Schloss and others may be, the stakes are even higher in the new world, and we need to experience a quick turnaround. While we might get a bunch of Schloss's or Hallmark's current players who want to transfer to Rice, I think we might get players from all over to transfer to us for Berkman et all or Hallmark plus a Cruz type name. MAYBE Janish would have the same/similar pull, I don't know. Let Pat decide who and why, but this is the new reality.

Berkmann, Hallmark and Pettit would of course be the dream team... Pitching, hitting, name recognition and strategy, but I don't see that happening

But hey, if Basketball Free Agents can essentially create their own dream teams, why not former pro/college coaches??

Sorry, but let's agree to disagree on your "new reality". I just don't see it that way. And, BTW, where exactly is Pettite's Rice connection? His connection is with Wayne, not Rice. Yes, one of his son's transferred here from Baylor after Tommy John Surgery, but he was never fully healthy in his three years at Reckling.

I don't think anyone would argue with Jose Cruz, Jr as a terrific candidate. He not only offers the "splash" of Berkman, but has stronger ongoing ties to Rice (given his two sons) and valuable MLB coaching/player development experience. What he lacks is the college coaching/recruiting experience, but that can be easily compensated for given his name recognition, particularly around the Houston area. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see him interested in the job, especially with Antonio graduated (though he can still come back for another year if he so chooses) and Tre in the Detroit system (where he currently coaches).

I include Janish in with a possible Hallmark staff not because of splash (which Paul really doesn't bring), but for continuity sake with current roster players and recruits. I think Pat is an outstanding coach and very solid recruiter, but Paul is 10 years younger. Neither are particularly "fun" guys in the lockerroom, which is why I think a guy like Shepperd helps round out the staff.

Agree with most of this. Don't nix Cruz too soon or his willingness to take on this job. Still a big NO on Shepperd!!!
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(05-26-2021 07:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Sorry, but let's agree to disagree on your "new reality". I just don't see it that way.
That's fine. I'm just explaining what I mean by 'splash'. It doesn't have to be Berkman which would be a splash... but I think it DOES need to include some of the cache that Berkman would bring. If his MLB and college stature isn't worth anything, then why would he be a good hire at all? So we seem to agree that stature has some value... and I want to add some MLB and All-American college stature to Hallmark.

Quote:And, BTW, where exactly is Pettite's Rice connection? His connection is with Wayne, not Rice. Yes, one of his son's transferred here from Baylor after Tommy John Surgery, but he was never fully healthy in his three years at Reckling.

Did I say there was? I simply assumed that he would go along with Berkman as he did at 2nd Baptist.... and he DOES have stature. Do we need them both? No. I didn't intend to suggest Pettit without Berkman, nor do I think he'd be interested without Berkman. Maybe he would, I don't know... and creating a connection back to Wayne (which ANY of these guys do) is important. Hiring someone like Schloss doesn't. He still may be a great hire, and perhaps even the best idea... but he isn't MY best idea.

Quote:I don't think anyone would argue with Jose Cruz, Jr as a terrific candidate. He not only offers the "splash" of Berkman, but has stronger ongoing ties to Rice (given his two sons) and valuable MLB coaching/player development experience. What he lacks is the college coaching/recruiting experience, but that can be easily compensated for given his name recognition, particularly around the Houston area. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see him interested in the job, especially with Antonio graduated (though he can still come back for another year if he so chooses) and Tre in the Detroit system (where he currently coaches).

Okay. I take no issue with any of this... He'd also be a 'splash'. I just hadn't heard of him having any interest, until one line on here. I didn't think I needed to list every possibility, just a few.

Quote:I include Janish in with a possible Hallmark staff not because of splash (which Paul really doesn't bring), but for continuity sake with current roster players and recruits. I think Pat is an outstanding coach and very solid recruiter, but Paul is 10 years younger. Neither are particularly "fun" guys in the lockerroom, which is why I think a guy like Shepperd helps round out the staff.
Which is also why I didn't include him as an example of a 'splash' myself, but in addition to what you describe above, he does fit some of the descriptors. Said differently, I think more PEOPLE have heard of Cruz and Pettit and Berman... though plenty of PLAYERS may have heard of Janish... certainly they too have also heard of the others. I too would like to see some continuity with current players and recruits, but since the current players aren't doing well and 'who knows' about recruits, that isn't my top concern.

Plus, when I suggest a 'dream team' of 'most' of a staff, you accused me of wanting to hire a coach and not let him pick his coaches... yet when you list the entire staff, that's okay?? What if a new coach didn't like either Janish or Shepperd, and was coming in with contacts with their OWN recruits who are as good or better than what we have coming in?? I wouldn't think that would be Hallmark (probably some, but not all) but maybe some of the other guys you mentioned.

Bottom line, I still don't know what you're disagreeing with... other than I see some value in having 'free agent' and 'pro' experience (especially as a star of some note) and connections, given the new reality of transfers.... and you see less value there.
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MusicOwl - everyone is entitled to their own opinion (as I have with mine regarding Childress)... but Shep is one of my favorite coaches across my entire career.

Great guy and I consider him a friend to this day. On road trips he and I used to sneak away and go fishing during our free time. If he ever did jump back into the coaching world, though I consider that a long shot, he gets my endorsement every time.
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Don't know enough about the coaching candidates without direct Rice ties or even ones like the UTSA coach. But I would be excited about any of these three:

- Lance (especially with Pettite as pitching coach)
- Jose Cruz Jr
- Paul Janish

All three currently or recently have coached at the college or pro levels. All three are Owls who played for Wayne and former MLB players.

Lance would be a splash, and if he can bring Pettite between the 2 I feel they could build Rice back up to top 25 status. Unsure how Wayne would feel about this one, but to me WG's opinion on the next coach has some weight.

Cruz Jr. would also bring some splash and cannot understate his family's baseball experience at all levels. Recruiting would be the question mark but I can see Enrique joining Cheito and becoming a great recruiter. There's at least 4 Cruz family baseball Owls. This option could put Wayne in better standing with Rice again and he could be a consultant or more (as could Cheo Sr?). I believe there is some interest from Cruz based on article from this week quoting Enrique Cruz about the possibility of his big brother coaching the Owls (can look for this link if ya'll aren't aware of it).

Janish - I like this pick, though less splashy. I don't know enough about his coaching skills but would ask Wayne what he'd think of Paul as a manager. In a far-fetched scenario I wouldn't mind - Wayne comes back for a farewell tour training Janish (HC in waiting) to succeed him after 1 season. He's familiar with the roster so has that continuity advantage.

Other than those three I wouldn't be confident in any other hire unless it's one of the premiere baseball college coaches from a P5 conference with Texas or Rice ties.
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(05-27-2021 11:24 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  MusicOwl - everyone is entitled to their own opinion (as I have with mine regarding Childress)... but Shep is one of my favorite coaches across my entire career.

Great guy and I consider him a friend to this day. On road trips he and I used to sneak away and go fishing during our free time. If he ever did jump back into the coaching world, though I consider that a long shot, he gets my endorsement every time.

I sincerely love your insight. This is not a personal attack on Shepperd and you have way more experience with him than I so I will defer to your opinion. Again, these are just what you said "my opinions" but if he were to come back then I will fully support the entire staff to be successful.
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Re. Berkman and Wayne-- their current relationship is not much better than Wayne and JK. Right or wrong, accurate or not, Wayne believes Lance stabbed him in the back, and went to JK lobbying for the job the Summer before his final year.

Responding to Buho00-- Hallmark not only coached here for 8 years (?) under Wayne-- serving as recruiting coordinator, pitching coach and assistant head coach-- but he was also an all-SWC catcher for us back in 1994-'95. He's a Rice guy all the way. Since leaving Rice, he served one year as pitching coach at Mizzou, then two years as Head Coach at Incarnate World (turning around their program), before taking over UTSA the past two seasons.
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I think Wayne's first choice would be Hallmark, if he were doing the hiring. I'm not sure Hallmark would come, unless Wayne was the one doing the hiring (IE, AD). I told Wayne the other day that he would have been my first choice for AD when we hired JK, and probably my first choice when we hired Ranger Rick. He kind of indicated that he wouldn't want the job, but quite frankly he'd be my first choice tomorrow, even at his age, although at this point I'm not sure he and Tanya would even consider leaving Austin.
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Janisch was able to stay in the majors many years with his glove even though he was not good at bat.

(05-27-2021 10:57 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 07:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Sorry, but let's agree to disagree on your "new reality". I just don't see it that way.
That's fine. I'm just explaining what I mean by 'splash'. It doesn't have to be Berkman which would be a splash... but I think it DOES need to include some of the cache that Berkman would bring. If his MLB and college stature isn't worth anything, then why would he be a good hire at all? So we seem to agree that stature has some value... and I want to add some MLB and All-American college stature to Hallmark.

Quote:And, BTW, where exactly is Pettite's Rice connection? His connection is with Wayne, not Rice. Yes, one of his son's transferred here from Baylor after Tommy John Surgery, but he was never fully healthy in his three years at Reckling.

Did I say there was? I simply assumed that he would go along with Berkman as he did at 2nd Baptist.... and he DOES have stature. Do we need them both? No. I didn't intend to suggest Pettit without Berkman, nor do I think he'd be interested without Berkman. Maybe he would, I don't know... and creating a connection back to Wayne (which ANY of these guys do) is important. Hiring someone like Schloss doesn't. He still may be a great hire, and perhaps even the best idea... but he isn't MY best idea.

Quote:I don't think anyone would argue with Jose Cruz, Jr as a terrific candidate. He not only offers the "splash" of Berkman, but has stronger ongoing ties to Rice (given his two sons) and valuable MLB coaching/player development experience. What he lacks is the college coaching/recruiting experience, but that can be easily compensated for given his name recognition, particularly around the Houston area. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see him interested in the job, especially with Antonio graduated (though he can still come back for another year if he so chooses) and Tre in the Detroit system (where he currently coaches).

Okay. I take no issue with any of this... He'd also be a 'splash'. I just hadn't heard of him having any interest, until one line on here. I didn't think I needed to list every possibility, just a few.

Quote:I include Janish in with a possible Hallmark staff not because of splash (which Paul really doesn't bring), but for continuity sake with current roster players and recruits. I think Pat is an outstanding coach and very solid recruiter, but Paul is 10 years younger. Neither are particularly "fun" guys in the lockerroom, which is why I think a guy like Shepperd helps round out the staff.
Which is also why I didn't include him as an example of a 'splash' myself, but in addition to what you describe above, he does fit some of the descriptors. Said differently, I think more PEOPLE have heard of Cruz and Pettit and Berman... though plenty of PLAYERS may have heard of Janish... certainly they too have also heard of the others. I too would like to see some continuity with current players and recruits, but since the current players aren't doing well and 'who knows' about recruits, that isn't my top concern.

Plus, when I suggest a 'dream team' of 'most' of a staff, you accused me of wanting to hire a coach and not let him pick his coaches... yet when you list the entire staff, that's okay?? What if a new coach didn't like either Janish or Shepperd, and was coming in with contacts with their OWN recruits who are as good or better than what we have coming in?? I wouldn't think that would be Hallmark (probably some, but not all) but maybe some of the other guys you mentioned.

Bottom line, I still don't know what you're disagreeing with... other than I see some value in having 'free agent' and 'pro' experience (especially as a star of some note) and connections, given the new reality of transfers.... and you see less value there.
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(05-27-2021 02:38 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Re. Berkman and Wayne-- their current relationship is not much better than Wayne and JK. Right or wrong, accurate or not, Wayne believes Lance stabbed him in the back, and went to JK lobbying for the job the Summer before his final year.

Responding to Buho00-- Hallmark not only coached here for 8 years (?) under Wayne-- serving as recruiting coordinator, pitching coach and assistant head coach-- but he was also an all-SWC catcher for us back in 1994-'95. He's a Rice guy all the way. Since leaving Rice, he served one year as pitching coach at Mizzou, then two years as Head Coach at Incarnate World (turning around their program), before taking over UTSA the past two seasons.

Did not know all that. He makes a lot of sense. Is he your odds on favorite if you had to guess right now?
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(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  SO
This is actually a HUGE opportunity for JK.

3) put some pressure on Bloomgren. Get it done or be gone, like Bragga

Bloomgren signed a 5-year contract in December 2017. I think this defaults to Bloomgren needing to deliver in contract year 4 or face termination, but I like the image of “quick draw” JK being the baddest AD in the west with an itchy trigger finger to fire an underperforming head coach in Leebron’s lame duck year.
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