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It always surprises me how many folks on here seem to be so anti-China when it comes to students and Leebron's spouse.
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(05-26-2021 03:19 PM)mrbig Wrote:  It always surprises me how many folks on here seem to be so anti-China when it comes to students and Leebron's spouse.

Who said anything about Leebron's spouse?
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So can anyone point out the link to the University President Transfer Portal?
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(05-26-2021 11:15 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I hope we look for someone who has worked at a high caliber school with major college sports. Focusing solely on academics with athletics being an afterthought or 'hobby' is not who we are as a university and doesn't reflect Houston or Texas. It is arguably harder to be 'academically elite' at a larger state institution than it is at a small boutique University.

You do realize your prerequisite would limit the candidate pool to a very small number of academically elite universities that also support strong sports programs, and all of them (save for, perhaps, Tulane) are in P5 conferences: Stanford, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern, Notre Dame, UVA and UNC.

The guy I'd love to consider is Antonio Merlo, who left Rice a couple years ago to be Dean of NYU. Head of Penn's nationally ranked economics department, he came to Rice as Dean of the School of Social Sciences (and coached the men's and women's water polo club squads). He's an avid sports fan, albeit soccer is his true love (given he a native Italian). Unbelievably charismatic and a vision guy, who single-handedly built the Rice economics department into national prominence in just 4 short years, and secured Board approval of Kraft Hall.
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(05-26-2021 03:23 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 03:19 PM)mrbig Wrote:  It always surprises me how many folks on here seem to be so anti-China when it comes to students and Leebron's spouse.

Who said anything about Leebron's spouse?

Fair enough, nothing in these threads. I remember reading a few comments in other threads over the years when folks have been critical of Leebron.
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(05-26-2021 03:38 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 11:15 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I hope we look for someone who has worked at a high caliber school with major college sports. Focusing solely on academics with athletics being an afterthought or 'hobby' is not who we are as a university and doesn't reflect Houston or Texas. It is arguably harder to be 'academically elite' at a larger state institution than it is at a small boutique University.

You do realize your prerequisite would limit the candidate pool to a very small number of academically elite universities that also support strong sports programs, and all of them (save for, perhaps, Tulane) are in P5 conferences: Stanford, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern, Notre Dame, UVA and UNC.

The guy I'd love to consider is Antonio Merlo, who left Rice a couple years ago to be Dean of NYU. Head of Penn's nationally ranked economics department, he came to Rice as Dean of the School of Social Sciences (and coached the men's and women's water polo club squads). He's an avid sports fan, albeit soccer is his true love (given he a native Italian). Unbelievably charismatic and a vision guy, who single-handedly built the Rice economics department into national prominence in just 4 short years, and secured Board approval of Kraft Hall.

I don’t even think it has to be a P5 employed replacement. For example, there are a number of academically very-good-but-maybe-not-elite universities that excel in Olympic sports (and hoops) for whom the Rice presidency would be an upgrade. Schools like Davidson, Lehigh, etc.
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(05-26-2021 04:07 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 03:38 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 11:15 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I hope we look for someone who has worked at a high caliber school with major college sports. Focusing solely on academics with athletics being an afterthought or 'hobby' is not who we are as a university and doesn't reflect Houston or Texas. It is arguably harder to be 'academically elite' at a larger state institution than it is at a small boutique University.

You do realize your prerequisite would limit the candidate pool to a very small number of academically elite universities that also support strong sports programs, and all of them (save for, perhaps, Tulane) are in P5 conferences: Stanford, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern, Notre Dame, UVA and UNC.

The guy I'd love to consider is Antonio Merlo, who left Rice a couple years ago to be Dean of NYU. Head of Penn's nationally ranked economics department, he came to Rice as Dean of the School of Social Sciences (and coached the men's and women's water polo club squads). He's an avid sports fan, albeit soccer is his true love (given he a native Italian). Unbelievably charismatic and a vision guy, who single-handedly built the Rice economics department into national prominence in just 4 short years, and secured Board approval of Kraft Hall.

I don’t even think it has to be a P5 employed replacement. For example, there are a number of academically very-good-but-maybe-not-elite universities that excel in Olympic sports (and hoops) for whom the Rice presidency would be an upgrade. Schools like Davidson, Lehigh, etc.

Rice is never going to hire a President from a non-elite academic institution. Not going to happen and shouldn't. In my post I inadvertently left out several including Georgia Tech, Duke, Michigan and Wisconsin, though I don't think someone from a large state school is an appropriate fit at Rice.
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(05-26-2021 04:16 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 04:07 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 03:38 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 11:15 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I hope we look for someone who has worked at a high caliber school with major college sports. Focusing solely on academics with athletics being an afterthought or 'hobby' is not who we are as a university and doesn't reflect Houston or Texas. It is arguably harder to be 'academically elite' at a larger state institution than it is at a small boutique University.

You do realize your prerequisite would limit the candidate pool to a very small number of academically elite universities that also support strong sports programs, and all of them (save for, perhaps, Tulane) are in P5 conferences: Stanford, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern, Notre Dame, UVA and UNC.

The guy I'd love to consider is Antonio Merlo, who left Rice a couple years ago to be Dean of NYU. Head of Penn's nationally ranked economics department, he came to Rice as Dean of the School of Social Sciences (and coached the men's and women's water polo club squads). He's an avid sports fan, albeit soccer is his true love (given he a native Italian). Unbelievably charismatic and a vision guy, who single-handedly built the Rice economics department into national prominence in just 4 short years, and secured Board approval of Kraft Hall.

I don’t even think it has to be a P5 employed replacement. For example, there are a number of academically very-good-but-maybe-not-elite universities that excel in Olympic sports (and hoops) for whom the Rice presidency would be an upgrade. Schools like Davidson, Lehigh, etc.

Rice is never going to hire a President from a non-elite academic institution. Not going to happen and shouldn't. In my post I inadvertently left out several including Georgia Tech, Duke, Michigan and Wisconsin, though I don't think someone from a large state school is an appropriate fit at Rice.

I'm just not sure why we wouldn't consider someone like the president of Davidson who is a UChicago undergrad alum, a Princeton PhD recipient, A FORMER RICE PROFESSOR, and a steward of a university that has an admissions profile that is pretty darn elite (similar to NYU).

I would prefer that to a dean or provost from Michigan or Wisconsin who has no experience being "the guy/gal."

But perhaps I'm missing something.
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"Under her guidance, Davidson is creating a new model for higher education in an increasingly interconnected world. The college’s students cultivate deep skills and capacities, such as critical thinking and problem solving, heightened by studies in the uncharted areas where disciplines overlap and discoveries are made. Combined with experiential learning, at home and abroad, they leave equipped to have a disproportionate impact in the world.

Quillen's "Transition to Impact" initiatives and her support of student-and-faculty collaborative research allow students to produce new knowledge, whether working with scholars in the classroom or entrepreneurs in the community. She inspired and has overseen the building of the E. Craig Wall Jr. Center, which weaves together physical sciences, social sciences and public art. She led the creation of the college’s Jay Hurt Hub for Innovation and Entrepreneurship in the town of Davidson, a nexus for community entrepreneurs, faculty research and student initiatives unprecedented among liberal arts colleges.

She has affirmed Davidson's commitment to educational excellence by cultivating partnerships that help identify students from all backgrounds whose talents enrich the community and whose leadership as graduates will transform the world.

An historian by training, Quillen often guest lectures in a variety of courses and is teaching a course in the Humanities program during the fall of 2019.

On August 1, 2011, Quillen became the 18th president of Davidson College.

A respected scholar and an accomplished administrator, she arrived at Davidson from Rice University, where she served as vice president for international and interdisciplinary initiatives.

She grew up in New Castle, Delaware, a small town where she says "it was second nature to support the community and look out for other people."

Quillen attended Wilmington Friends School. She earned a B.A. in American history from the University of Chicago, graduating Phi Beta Kappa with special and general honors, then received a Ph.D. in European history from Princeton University. In 2018, Princeton awarded her the James Madison medal, given in recognition of an alum’s distinguished career, advancing the cause of graduate education or record of outstanding public service.

She emphasizes that equal educational opportunity must be real and meaningful. On campus, she has strengthened the Davidson Trust through which the college practices need-blind admission and meets 100 percent of demonstrated need for all students through a combination of grants and campus employment, with no packaged loans. In national leadership, she is a founding member of the American Talent Initiative, aimed at graduating 50,000 additional high-achieving, low- and moderate income students from the nation’s top schools.

President Obama appointed Quillen to the Advisory Council on Financial Capability for Young Americans, and her peers have placed her on the board of directors of the American Council on Education and in leadership roles with the NCAA and the National Humanities Center. She serves on the board the Levine Museum of the New South."

Seems like a good candidate to me. Not necessarily the best candidate-but I wouldn't rule her out because she didn't come from an "elite university" but instead a very good one.
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(05-26-2021 02:43 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Ding, dong ....

Now, among other things, we can do the right thing and stop the flow of "students" from Communist China.

With respect to athletics, should Rice (as is likely) get someone from the Ivy League, absolutely nothing will change. Nothing good, that is.

Amen, WRC. Allowing the Communists, whether from Communist China, or any other Marxist nation to take up space in our universities, is not only obtuse, it's a slap in the face of all the good folks who are American Citizens of Chinese descent, who also do not want us to have anything to do with the Communists. Also hurts the good folks who are our friends and allies from friendly places like the Nation of Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Japan, not to mention the freedom-loving citizens of Hong Kong, etc...who are not so fond of the inhuman communist threat in their own backyard.

We need someone who understands what a Texas Ranger was and stood for, not another Ivy league Pa#$y. I'd even take an out-of-the-box fellow like Glenn Youngkin, should he not win in Virginia. At least he understands business, loves sports, and won't pander to enemy states for a few dollars more.
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Dear Rice Person,

I did one helluva a job if I do say so myself. In fact, it was difficult and time consuming to write this letter owing to the fact that one of my hands was unavailable as it was patting me on the back.

Thank ME. I'm out,

It's Leebron no LeBron
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I hope we get someone with bold innovative ideas, who is willing to try different things to elevate Rice instead of just keeping the lights on. Someone who has the ambition to try to get Rice back into the top 10, someone who understands how to get the brand of the University out there in today's world, which I think athletics is actually a key component of that.
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(05-26-2021 01:04 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  So who/what group selects the new President? That should tell us a lot about what is being sought in a replacement.

This! Leebron in performance was exactly as advertised. He had clear skills in some areas, and clear deficiencies in others. He had 2 years outside of academia and time spent in some of the most non sports institutions you could find. That formed his world view and priorities, as it would have with anyone.

If we hire someone with no time at a school where athletics are a part of the fabric of the school (and I would certainly include Duke, Stanford and Northwestern in that category) and no real touch points to the real world and how the world of commerce works, then the best we can home for is Leebron 2.0, and continued movement on the path we are on.

So, who is on the search committee and what are they looking for. Do colleges ever hire charismatic personalities, or is it all an attempt to find someone who can mumble with the faculty?
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(05-26-2021 04:22 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 04:16 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 04:07 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 03:38 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 11:15 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I hope we look for someone who has worked at a high caliber school with major college sports. Focusing solely on academics with athletics being an afterthought or 'hobby' is not who we are as a university and doesn't reflect Houston or Texas. It is arguably harder to be 'academically elite' at a larger state institution than it is at a small boutique University.

You do realize your prerequisite would limit the candidate pool to a very small number of academically elite universities that also support strong sports programs, and all of them (save for, perhaps, Tulane) are in P5 conferences: Stanford, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern, Notre Dame, UVA and UNC.

The guy I'd love to consider is Antonio Merlo, who left Rice a couple years ago to be Dean of NYU. Head of Penn's nationally ranked economics department, he came to Rice as Dean of the School of Social Sciences (and coached the men's and women's water polo club squads). He's an avid sports fan, albeit soccer is his true love (given he a native Italian). Unbelievably charismatic and a vision guy, who single-handedly built the Rice economics department into national prominence in just 4 short years, and secured Board approval of Kraft Hall.

I don’t even think it has to be a P5 employed replacement. For example, there are a number of academically very-good-but-maybe-not-elite universities that excel in Olympic sports (and hoops) for whom the Rice presidency would be an upgrade. Schools like Davidson, Lehigh, etc.

Rice is never going to hire a President from a non-elite academic institution. Not going to happen and shouldn't. In my post I inadvertently left out several including Georgia Tech, Duke, Michigan and Wisconsin, though I don't think someone from a large state school is an appropriate fit at Rice.

I'm just not sure why we wouldn't consider someone like the president of Davidson who is a UChicago undergrad alum, a Princeton PhD recipient, A FORMER RICE PROFESSOR, and a steward of a university that has an admissions profile that is pretty darn elite (similar to NYU).

I would prefer that to a dean or provost from Michigan or Wisconsin who has no experience being "the guy/gal."

But perhaps I'm missing something.

Serious question...why is a PhD a qualification at all? It evidences a fanatical tie to academic pursuits long into adulthood. I admire someone with that commitment, but I do not know how the skills necessary to get a PhD correlate with what one needs from a college president. PhD candidates make up what percentage of the students on campus in any given year? One tenth of one percent?
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(05-26-2021 04:27 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  "Under her guidance, Davidson is creating a new model for higher education in an increasingly interconnected world. The college’s students cultivate deep skills and capacities, such as critical thinking and problem solving, heightened by studies in the uncharted areas where disciplines overlap and discoveries are made. Combined with experiential learning, at home and abroad, they leave equipped to have a disproportionate impact in the world.

Quillen's "Transition to Impact" initiatives and her support of student-and-faculty collaborative research allow students to produce new knowledge, whether working with scholars in the classroom or entrepreneurs in the community. She inspired and has overseen the building of the E. Craig Wall Jr. Center, which weaves together physical sciences, social sciences and public art. She led the creation of the college’s Jay Hurt Hub for Innovation and Entrepreneurship in the town of Davidson, a nexus for community entrepreneurs, faculty research and student initiatives unprecedented among liberal arts colleges.

She has affirmed Davidson's commitment to educational excellence by cultivating partnerships that help identify students from all backgrounds whose talents enrich the community and whose leadership as graduates will transform the world.

An historian by training, Quillen often guest lectures in a variety of courses and is teaching a course in the Humanities program during the fall of 2019.

On August 1, 2011, Quillen became the 18th president of Davidson College.

A respected scholar and an accomplished administrator, she arrived at Davidson from Rice University, where she served as vice president for international and interdisciplinary initiatives.

She grew up in New Castle, Delaware, a small town where she says "it was second nature to support the community and look out for other people."

Quillen attended Wilmington Friends School. She earned a B.A. in American history from the University of Chicago, graduating Phi Beta Kappa with special and general honors, then received a Ph.D. in European history from Princeton University. In 2018, Princeton awarded her the James Madison medal, given in recognition of an alum’s distinguished career, advancing the cause of graduate education or record of outstanding public service.

She emphasizes that equal educational opportunity must be real and meaningful. On campus, she has strengthened the Davidson Trust through which the college practices need-blind admission and meets 100 percent of demonstrated need for all students through a combination of grants and campus employment, with no packaged loans. In national leadership, she is a founding member of the American Talent Initiative, aimed at graduating 50,000 additional high-achieving, low- and moderate income students from the nation’s top schools.

President Obama appointed Quillen to the Advisory Council on Financial Capability for Young Americans, and her peers have placed her on the board of directors of the American Council on Education and in leadership roles with the NCAA and the National Humanities Center. She serves on the board the Levine Museum of the New South."

Seems like a good candidate to me. Not necessarily the best candidate-but I wouldn't rule her out because she didn't come from an "elite university" but instead a very good one.

She was also married to the late Ken Kennedy, one of the greatest professors Rice has ever had.
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(05-26-2021 04:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 02:43 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Ding, dong ....

Now, among other things, we can do the right thing and stop the flow of "students" from Communist China.

With respect to athletics, should Rice (as is likely) get someone from the Ivy League, absolutely nothing will change. Nothing good, that is.

Amen, WRC. Allowing the Communists, whether from Communist China, or any other Marxist nation to take up space in our universities, is not only obtuse, it's a slap in the face of all the good folks who are American Citizens of Chinese descent, who also do not want us to have anything to do with the Communists. Also hurts the good folks who are our friends and allies from friendly places like the Nation of Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Japan, not to mention the freedom-loving citizens of Hong Kong, etc...who are not so fond of the inhuman communist threat in their own backyard.

We need someone who understands what a Texas Ranger was and stood for, not another Ivy league Pa#$y. I'd even take an out-of-the-box fellow like Glenn Youngkin, should he not win in Virginia. At least he understands business, loves sports, and won't pander to enemy states for a few dollars more.

Please keep it on the quad. Even keeping it in your own head would be acceptable.
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(05-26-2021 07:35 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 04:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 02:43 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Ding, dong ....

Now, among other things, we can do the right thing and stop the flow of "students" from Communist China.

With respect to athletics, should Rice (as is likely) get someone from the Ivy League, absolutely nothing will change. Nothing good, that is.

Amen, WRC. Allowing the Communists, whether from Communist China, or any other Marxist nation to take up space in our universities, is not only obtuse, it's a slap in the face of all the good folks who are American Citizens of Chinese descent, who also do not want us to have anything to do with the Communists. Also hurts the good folks who are our friends and allies from friendly places like the Nation of Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Japan, not to mention the freedom-loving citizens of Hong Kong, etc...who are not so fond of the inhuman communist threat in their own backyard.

We need someone who understands what a Texas Ranger was and stood for, not another Ivy league Pa#$y. I'd even take an out-of-the-box fellow like Glenn Youngkin, should he not win in Virginia. At least he understands business, loves sports, and won't pander to enemy states for a few dollars more.

Please keep it on the quad. Even keeping it in your own head would be acceptable.

All opinions are welcome. Accept for those which I disagree with which must ne censored.
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(05-26-2021 05:41 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote:  Serious question...why is a PhD a qualification at all? It evidences a fanatical tie to academic pursuits long into adulthood. I admire someone with that commitment, but I do not know how the skills necessary to get a PhD correlate with what one needs from a college president. PhD candidates make up what percentage of the students on campus in any given year? One tenth of one percent?

Very good point
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(05-26-2021 03:38 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 11:15 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I hope we look for someone who has worked at a high caliber school with major college sports. Focusing solely on academics with athletics being an afterthought or 'hobby' is not who we are as a university and doesn't reflect Houston or Texas. It is arguably harder to be 'academically elite' at a larger state institution than it is at a small boutique University.

You do realize your prerequisite would limit the candidate pool to a very small number of academically elite universities that also support strong sports programs, and all of them (save for, perhaps, Tulane) are in P5 conferences: Stanford, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern, Notre Dame, UVA and UNC.

You left off a few... Michigan, USC, Florida, Georgetown, BC.... but what does p5 have to do with anything other than to be an advantage (in that they might be able to get an audience with the leadership of Universities where we can't get an audience with the AD, or a good word from the leadership??

Maybe an academ from a p5 conference would LIKE to see a school that focuses more on academics but still participates in athletics at a very high level because of Houston and Texas, but without the sell-out for the dollar that they've seen from p5?? And if we join p5, we'd do it on 'our' terms??

Again, I don't understand your concern. That the list is longer for the #2 or 3 guy from an Ivy?? How about the #1 from an academ from a University ranked a bit below us??
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I think Rice is doing less to reach alumni and those living in Houston and the rest of Texas. In the past athletics kept Rice noticed. Until the 1960s Rice had the premier football team in Houston and the community followed it. The proportion of students coming from Houston and the rest of Texas has been reduced. When I went to Rice it was one third Houston one-third rest of Texas and one third the rest of the state.

What I noticed from LeeBron's message was that it encouraged demographic diversity but there was no mention of having diversity of thought. I have not heard much about conservative voices at Rice now.

Now is the time to consider what we want Rice to be in the future with the choice of a new President.
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