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(05-06-2021 12:49 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  LSU beat Alabama.

Alabama did not win the 2011 SEC.

They should not have been in the 2011 national title game.

This isn't up for debate,
Sherekhuck.

You are an idiot. Take the L and stfu.

That is your opinion. It's stupid and wrong as Bama did win thr Natty.

Keep digging though
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No.

Piece of sh*t.

At least we know now you are certainly no logician.
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(05-06-2021 12:53 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  No.

Piece of sh*t.

At least we know now you are certainly no logician.

Bwahahahaha. Keep going boy.

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(05-04-2021 10:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 12:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 05:07 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 02:39 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Just like BB having every conference rep'ed doesn't mean you get the best teams. It guarantees you don't. In the example you can come up with you could easily ID 20 teams better than the bottom four seeds listed.

I would rather them chose have the consensus top 14 and the final 2 spots given to the top two G5 teams unless they are already ranked in the top 14 and that makes those two spots at-large regardless of P or G.

I think the NCAA may be scared the Super League concept is gaining ground so they have to do something to (1) include more teams, and (2) feed the $$$ addiction.

Don't even care.

If you aren't the best of your subset (your conference), then you are not the best of the set (national championship).

No, you are talking about qualifying for participation but it does not describe a pool of the best teams.

How can you be the best if you are not even the best team in your own conference?

2011 National Champs Alabama
2011 SEC Champs LSU

Do yall even football?

So much for the “regular season matters” theory
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Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.
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(05-06-2021 01:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.

Just goes to show... "on any given Saturday..."
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(05-06-2021 01:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.


And wasn’t it a 2 team “playoff” in 2011? Which makes it even more ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong Alabama was probably the best team. But according to the rules of the day they weren’t even the 2nd best team in the SEC. They did win the division. They say back and rested while LSU had to win the SEC championship game. And I think this happened again with Bama not winning the division and yet made the playoffs.
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(05-06-2021 01:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.


And wasn’t it a 2 team “playoff” in 2011? Which makes it even more ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong Alabama was probably the best team. But according to the rules of the day they weren’t even the 2nd best team in the SEC. They did win the division. They say back and rested while LSU had to win the SEC championship game. And I think this happened again with Bama not winning the division and yet made the playoffs.

The false premise is that the playoff is about determining a national champion. College football does not lend itself to a playoff. Never has.
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And in a pre-BCS era, Alabama would have no claim to the 2011 title.
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(05-06-2021 03:05 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  And in a pre-BCS era, Alabama would have no claim to the 2011 title.

Take the L boy
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(05-06-2021 03:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 02:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 01:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.


And wasn’t it a 2 team “playoff” in 2011? Which makes it even more ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong Alabama was probably the best team. But according to the rules of the day they weren’t even the 2nd best team in the SEC. They did win the division. They say back and rested while LSU had to win the SEC championship game. And I think this happened again with Bama not winning the division and yet made the playoffs.

The false premise is that the playoff is about determining a national champion. College football does not lend itself to a playoff. Never has.

And you think the NCAA bb tourney winner is always "the best team"? Hardly.
Same for MLB, NFL, etc.
But in ALL other sports, the agreement is that the best 15% or more teams will compete in a post-season playoff to determine THE national champ.
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When there was a 16 team tournament for basketball UCLA won 10 championship in a row. After there were 64 teams in the tournament not many teams have won 2 or more championships.

Until expansion for a football tournament you can expect the same 4 teams to continue to win most of the games. After expansion to 12 teams you will see those 4 teams in the tournament fewer and fewer years. After 16 teams are in you will see years where none of those four are in the tournament. Give more teams opportunity and more teams will be competitive.

Then and only then will there be a national champion.

Eventually I expect there to be a 24 team tournament. That seems like the optimal number. I know 14 of 30 NFL teams make the playoff, so maybe a 40 team tournament for college is better, but only if they shorten the regular season and I don't imagine they will ever do that as long as home games are the major revenue source for most programs.
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(05-06-2021 05:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 03:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 02:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 01:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.


And wasn’t it a 2 team “playoff” in 2011? Which makes it even more ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong Alabama was probably the best team. But according to the rules of the day they weren’t even the 2nd best team in the SEC. They did win the division. They say back and rested while LSU had to win the SEC championship game. And I think this happened again with Bama not winning the division and yet made the playoffs.

The false premise is that the playoff is about determining a national champion. College football does not lend itself to a playoff. Never has.

And you think the NCAA bb tourney winner is always "the best team"? Hardly.
Same for MLB, NFL, etc.
But in ALL other sports, the agreement is that the best 15% or more teams will compete in a post-season playoff to determine THE national champ.

I dont care about bb in any form or the NFL at all. College football was special in that it could have multiple national champions with legitimate claims. Like you said, if it's not " the best team" what difference does it make other than to diminish a unique aspect of college football.

All things end I suppose. Minor league NFL pretending to be college football interests me less and less.
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(05-03-2021 03:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

It's not basketball or baseball. You can't trot out players for 16 games and there will be a lot of injuries and players opting out. It has to be practical. With your scenario, in 2019, Miami Of Ohio makes it in as the winner of the MAC with an 8-5 record. They lost 5 games by the following point totals...

24 Iowa
22 Cincinnati
71 Ohio State
22 Western Michigan
14 Ball State

In a 16 team playoff, you would have 5 out of the 16 teams outside of P5 conferences, and multiple teams in the top 15 excluded at the expense of teams that aren't ranked, that nobody cares about. This will never fly because it makes no sense on any level. There is a good chance that 75% of the first two rounds will generate dismal ratings. You will also have grossly lopsided matchups in the first two rounds where you risk a lot of injuries.

8 is the number. It's not too many games, and you have a non P5 participant. Give the G5 an additional spot in a NY6 game, and it becomes as fair and as competitive as anyone could hope for.

Yawn--with apologies to RR--there you go again. You are always wanting to screw the little guys like little ole MEMPHIS.

A playoff without every conference represented is not what the average fans want . Like I have shared with you numerous times--the Miami of Ohio's and the LIL O MEMPHIS'S only want a shot. The fans of the little guys and the cities/towns they are in ,wouldn't care if the game was projected as being a lopsided matchup. Heck STAMMERS if you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS or Miami Ohio wasn't gonna cover the large spread against the Alabama's of the world---just lay the points.

As for players opting out. If it is a true national playoff--I think few would opt out. As for injuries --that statement is silly---heck that could happen in any game during the season---or even practice. Heck if a player is worried about that--why play at all---just opt out like Coxie and become out of sight and out of mind
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(05-07-2021 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

It's not basketball or baseball. You can't trot out players for 16 games and there will be a lot of injuries and players opting out. It has to be practical. With your scenario, in 2019, Miami Of Ohio makes it in as the winner of the MAC with an 8-5 record. They lost 5 games by the following point totals...

24 Iowa
22 Cincinnati
71 Ohio State
22 Western Michigan
14 Ball State

In a 16 team playoff, you would have 5 out of the 16 teams outside of P5 conferences, and multiple teams in the top 15 excluded at the expense of teams that aren't ranked, that nobody cares about. This will never fly because it makes no sense on any level. There is a good chance that 75% of the first two rounds will generate dismal ratings. You will also have grossly lopsided matchups in the first two rounds where you risk a lot of injuries.

8 is the number. It's not too many games, and you have a non P5 participant. Give the G5 an additional spot in a NY6 game, and it becomes as fair and as competitive as anyone could hope for.

Yawn--with apologies to RR--there you go again. You are always wanting to screw the little guys like little ole MEMPHIS.

A playoff without every conference represented is not what the average fans want . Like I have shared with you numerous times--the Miami of Ohio's and the LIL O MEMPHIS'S only want a shot. The fans of the little guys and the cities/towns they are in ,wouldn't care if the game was projected as being a lopsided matchup. Heck STAMMERS if you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS or Miami Ohio wasn't gonna cover the large spread against the Alabama's of the world---just lay the points.

As for players opting out. If it is a true national playoff--I think few would opt out. As for injuries --that statement is silly---heck that could happen in any game during the season---or even practice. Heck if a player is worried about that--why play at all---just opt out like Coxie and become out of sight and out of mind

Since you don't have a brain big enough to process any kind of common sense, we will go in a different direction to try and help you. Explain how you would seed and play the 11 team AAC conference playoff. How would you determine the AAC champion?

Don't even think about screwing USF and ECU out of the opportunity to compete for a national title. Screwing the little guys is out of the question.
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(05-08-2021 03:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-07-2021 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

It's not basketball or baseball. You can't trot out players for 16 games and there will be a lot of injuries and players opting out. It has to be practical. With your scenario, in 2019, Miami Of Ohio makes it in as the winner of the MAC with an 8-5 record. They lost 5 games by the following point totals...

24 Iowa
22 Cincinnati
71 Ohio State
22 Western Michigan
14 Ball State

In a 16 team playoff, you would have 5 out of the 16 teams outside of P5 conferences, and multiple teams in the top 15 excluded at the expense of teams that aren't ranked, that nobody cares about. This will never fly because it makes no sense on any level. There is a good chance that 75% of the first two rounds will generate dismal ratings. You will also have grossly lopsided matchups in the first two rounds where you risk a lot of injuries.

8 is the number. It's not too many games, and you have a non P5 participant. Give the G5 an additional spot in a NY6 game, and it becomes as fair and as competitive as anyone could hope for.

Yawn--with apologies to RR--there you go again. You are always wanting to screw the little guys like little ole MEMPHIS.

A playoff without every conference represented is not what the average fans want . Like I have shared with you numerous times--the Miami of Ohio's and the LIL O MEMPHIS'S only want a shot. The fans of the little guys and the cities/towns they are in ,wouldn't care if the game was projected as being a lopsided matchup. Heck STAMMERS if you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS or Miami Ohio wasn't gonna cover the large spread against the Alabama's of the world---just lay the points.

As for players opting out. If it is a true national playoff--I think few would opt out. As for injuries --that statement is silly---heck that could happen in any game during the season---or even practice. Heck if a player is worried about that--why play at all---just opt out like Coxie and become out of sight and out of mind

Since you don't have a brain big enough to process any kind of common sense, we will go in a different direction to try and help you. Explain how you would seed and play the 11 team AAC conference playoff. How would you determine the AAC champion?

Don't even think about screwing USF and ECU out of the opportunity to compete for a national title. Screwing the little guys is out of the question.

My answer to your ? is ---WHO CARES .

As to the number of games and teams that you seem to think will lead to dismal ratings/ more injury's/ more opt outs----you need to inform division 2 FB that they are doing it all wrong---with the 28? team playoff they have
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(05-08-2021 11:17 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 03:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-07-2021 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

It's not basketball or baseball. You can't trot out players for 16 games and there will be a lot of injuries and players opting out. It has to be practical. With your scenario, in 2019, Miami Of Ohio makes it in as the winner of the MAC with an 8-5 record. They lost 5 games by the following point totals...

24 Iowa
22 Cincinnati
71 Ohio State
22 Western Michigan
14 Ball State

In a 16 team playoff, you would have 5 out of the 16 teams outside of P5 conferences, and multiple teams in the top 15 excluded at the expense of teams that aren't ranked, that nobody cares about. This will never fly because it makes no sense on any level. There is a good chance that 75% of the first two rounds will generate dismal ratings. You will also have grossly lopsided matchups in the first two rounds where you risk a lot of injuries.

8 is the number. It's not too many games, and you have a non P5 participant. Give the G5 an additional spot in a NY6 game, and it becomes as fair and as competitive as anyone could hope for.

Yawn--with apologies to RR--there you go again. You are always wanting to screw the little guys like little ole MEMPHIS.

A playoff without every conference represented is not what the average fans want . Like I have shared with you numerous times--the Miami of Ohio's and the LIL O MEMPHIS'S only want a shot. The fans of the little guys and the cities/towns they are in ,wouldn't care if the game was projected as being a lopsided matchup. Heck STAMMERS if you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS or Miami Ohio wasn't gonna cover the large spread against the Alabama's of the world---just lay the points.

As for players opting out. If it is a true national playoff--I think few would opt out. As for injuries --that statement is silly---heck that could happen in any game during the season---or even practice. Heck if a player is worried about that--why play at all---just opt out like Coxie and become out of sight and out of mind

Since you don't have a brain big enough to process any kind of common sense, we will go in a different direction to try and help you. Explain how you would seed and play the 11 team AAC conference playoff. How would you determine the AAC champion?

Don't even think about screwing USF and ECU out of the opportunity to compete for a national title. Screwing the little guys is out of the question.

My answer to your ? is ---WHO CARES .

As to the number of games and teams that you seem to think will lead to dismal ratings/ more injury's/ more opt outs----you need to inform division 2 FB that they are doing it all wrong---with the 28? team playoff they have

It's hard when you can't repeat the same dumb line over and over and you actually have to try and put a coherent thought together. Of course you don't care. Always trying to screw the little guy.
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(05-08-2021 12:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 11:17 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 03:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-07-2021 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It's not basketball or baseball. You can't trot out players for 16 games and there will be a lot of injuries and players opting out. It has to be practical. With your scenario, in 2019, Miami Of Ohio makes it in as the winner of the MAC with an 8-5 record. They lost 5 games by the following point totals...

24 Iowa
22 Cincinnati
71 Ohio State
22 Western Michigan
14 Ball State

In a 16 team playoff, you would have 5 out of the 16 teams outside of P5 conferences, and multiple teams in the top 15 excluded at the expense of teams that aren't ranked, that nobody cares about. This will never fly because it makes no sense on any level. There is a good chance that 75% of the first two rounds will generate dismal ratings. You will also have grossly lopsided matchups in the first two rounds where you risk a lot of injuries.

8 is the number. It's not too many games, and you have a non P5 participant. Give the G5 an additional spot in a NY6 game, and it becomes as fair and as competitive as anyone could hope for.

Yawn--with apologies to RR--there you go again. You are always wanting to screw the little guys like little ole MEMPHIS.

A playoff without every conference represented is not what the average fans want . Like I have shared with you numerous times--the Miami of Ohio's and the LIL O MEMPHIS'S only want a shot. The fans of the little guys and the cities/towns they are in ,wouldn't care if the game was projected as being a lopsided matchup. Heck STAMMERS if you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS or Miami Ohio wasn't gonna cover the large spread against the Alabama's of the world---just lay the points.

As for players opting out. If it is a true national playoff--I think few would opt out. As for injuries --that statement is silly---heck that could happen in any game during the season---or even practice. Heck if a player is worried about that--why play at all---just opt out like Coxie and become out of sight and out of mind

Since you don't have a brain big enough to process any kind of common sense, we will go in a different direction to try and help you. Explain how you would seed and play the 11 team AAC conference playoff. How would you determine the AAC champion?

Don't even think about screwing USF and ECU out of the opportunity to compete for a national title. Screwing the little guys is out of the question.

My answer to your ? is ---WHO CARES .

As to the number of games and teams that you seem to think will lead to dismal ratings/ more injury's/ more opt outs----you need to inform division 2 FB that they are doing it all wrong---with the 28? team playoff they have

It's hard when you can't repeat the same dumb line over and over and you actually have to try and put a coherent thought together. Of course you don't care. Always trying to screw the little guy.

You are the one wanting to screw the LIL OLE MEMPHIS'S of the world. Your reason being , that the games would be grossly lopsided to allow the little guys like LIL O MEMPHIS/Miami of Ohio etc to actually be allowed at the big boys table. We should know our place in the world and keep using paper plates and plastic forks.

Why would/should I care how they determine the AAC representative ---as long as we get in --WHO CARES
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(05-08-2021 12:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 12:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 11:17 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 03:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-07-2021 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Yawn--with apologies to RR--there you go again. You are always wanting to screw the little guys like little ole MEMPHIS.

A playoff without every conference represented is not what the average fans want . Like I have shared with you numerous times--the Miami of Ohio's and the LIL O MEMPHIS'S only want a shot. The fans of the little guys and the cities/towns they are in ,wouldn't care if the game was projected as being a lopsided matchup. Heck STAMMERS if you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS or Miami Ohio wasn't gonna cover the large spread against the Alabama's of the world---just lay the points.

As for players opting out. If it is a true national playoff--I think few would opt out. As for injuries --that statement is silly---heck that could happen in any game during the season---or even practice. Heck if a player is worried about that--why play at all---just opt out like Coxie and become out of sight and out of mind

Since you don't have a brain big enough to process any kind of common sense, we will go in a different direction to try and help you. Explain how you would seed and play the 11 team AAC conference playoff. How would you determine the AAC champion?

Don't even think about screwing USF and ECU out of the opportunity to compete for a national title. Screwing the little guys is out of the question.

My answer to your ? is ---WHO CARES .

As to the number of games and teams that you seem to think will lead to dismal ratings/ more injury's/ more opt outs----you need to inform division 2 FB that they are doing it all wrong---with the 28? team playoff they have

It's hard when you can't repeat the same dumb line over and over and you actually have to try and put a coherent thought together. Of course you don't care. Always trying to screw the little guy.

You are the one wanting to screw the LIL OLE MEMPHIS'S of the world. Your reason being , that the games would be grossly lopsided to allow the little guys like LIL O MEMPHIS/Miami of Ohio etc to actually be allowed at the big boys table. We should know our place in the world and keep using paper plates and plastic forks.

Why would/should I care how they determine the AAC representative ---as long as we get in --WHO CARES

We would have been in 2 years ago, genius, and the AAC winner has been in the last 4 years. With your dumb idea, teams who you say you don't care about, would get in. Get a smart 5 year old to explain it to you.
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RE: Brand New Playoff Expansion News
(05-06-2021 08:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 05:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 03:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 02:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(05-06-2021 01:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hard to justify making the national title game to play a team that has beaten you and won your own conference.


And wasn’t it a 2 team “playoff” in 2011? Which makes it even more ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong Alabama was probably the best team. But according to the rules of the day they weren’t even the 2nd best team in the SEC. They did win the division. They say back and rested while LSU had to win the SEC championship game. And I think this happened again with Bama not winning the division and yet made the playoffs.

The false premise is that the playoff is about determining a national champion. College football does not lend itself to a playoff. Never has.

And you think the NCAA bb tourney winner is always "the best team"? Hardly.
Same for MLB, NFL, etc.
But in ALL other sports, the agreement is that the best 15% or more teams will compete in a post-season playoff to determine THE national champ.

I dont care about bb in any form or the NFL at all. College football was special in that it could have multiple national champions with legitimate claims. Like you said, if it's not " the best team" what difference does it make other than to diminish a unique aspect of college football.

All things end I suppose. Minor league NFL pretending to be college football interests me less and less.

I can see why you, in particular, would prefer a system rooted in opinion & internet chatter opposed to one based on performance & settled on the court.
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