If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Rice is the other option. I’m hearing Boise is on the verge of going and SDSU might be heading that way too. Apparently there is another school being discussed (AF?) so we might lose one, two or three schools if they do. Just depends on if the MW gets desperate.

Wonder if they lost 3 they'd look to the Dakota FCS schools or Montana at all.

(05-05-2021 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Wonder if they lost 3 they'd look to the Dakota FCS schools or Montana at all.

Some good teams there, definitely would make sense.

(05-05-2021 03:31 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Rice is the other option. I’m hearing Boise is on the verge of going and SDSU might be heading that way too. Apparently there is another school being discussed (AF?) so we might lose one, two or three schools if they do. Just depends on if the MW gets desperate.

If I were the MWC and I lost 3 teams then I would just take UTEP and stay at 10. That's a 9 game conference schedule with no need for divisions.

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

No, that'd just be a horrible strain for UTEP, which would then be forced to:

a) continue in a conference that has no easy trips for them
b) move to the Sun Belt, which isn't much better for them but at least can offer Texas State and UT-Arlington
c) go indy in football and WAC in all other sports
d) move to the WAC in all sports and downgrade football to FCS (or do indy football for a few years and then move if the WAC ever flips the switch on FBS).

None of them would be paricularly sexy options.

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

(05-05-2021 06:21 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

Sunbelt negative 2.0

(05-05-2021 05:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

No, that'd just be a horrible strain for UTEP, which would then be forced to:

a) continue in a conference that has no easy trips for them
b) move to the Sun Belt, which isn't much better for them but at least can offer Texas State and UT-Arlington
c) go indy in football and WAC in all other sports
d) move to the WAC in all sports and downgrade football to FCS (or do indy football for a few years and then move if the WAC ever flips the switch on FBS).

None of them would be paricularly sexy options.

Yeah, it’d be a blow for UTEP for sure. CUSA would likely feel UTEP out maybe give them a nudge. In the end we’d probably just add NMSU as a travel partner and move on. It’d actually improve the travel situation for the eastern schools.

(05-05-2021 06:21 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

You’re going to take ULM over WKU in a fantasy conference with no way of happening?

(05-05-2021 09:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 06:21 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

You’re going to take ULM over WKU in a fantasy conference with no way of happening?

Look where ULM is located compared to the other teams on the list other than Marshall of course. This is a bus conference.

(05-05-2021 09:12 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 09:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 06:21 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

You’re going to take ULM over WKU in a fantasy conference with no way of happening?

Look where ULM is located compared to the other teams on the list other than Marshall of course. This is a bus conference.

You’d pretty much pass WKU on a bus trip from MT to Marshall though

(05-05-2021 09:12 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 09:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 06:21 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

You’re going to take ULM over WKU in a fantasy conference with no way of happening?

Look where ULM is located compared to the other teams on the list other than Marshall of course. This is a bus conference.

Nobody is building out a conference around that territory.

If a new conference will be formed, it will be pushed further East, and built around more of the major metro areas.

Monroe has a much more realistic future in FCS than they do in a new FBS conference.

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

This would not be the death nail to the Eastern teams that you think it would. With so many teams leaving it would create an opportunity to rebranch a new conference, the teams that you left would not be the same teams that would be grouped together.

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 01:32 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  If that happened, they could take USM with them and the number would remain even. :)

I think if that happens there is a higher chance for MWC to approach either UTSA or UNT before they go further East or South.

Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

Actually we could make it work because schools would be making 1 trip to texas instead of 2. We could also pressure the HQ to move to a more central location and get our Basketball tourney moved to a central location. I'd actually be in favor of this if it were on the table.

(05-05-2021 11:42 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 09:12 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 09:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 06:21 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 05:34 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Here is a scary option that could occur...

What if Boise left and the MWC went to Texas to back fill, but instead of inviting UTEP, they offer Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. That would be a masterful move that would place further strain on C-USA.

The MWC would have easy divisions with a new foothold in the central time zone and Texas recruiting...

East
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

West
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii

While C-USA would be left with 11 programs and 888 miles separating UTEP from their nearest C-USA partner LA Tech.

This would be a horrible situation for C-USA.

C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss
LA Tech
FAU
WKU
MTSU
FIU
Charlotte
ODU
UTEP

1. Middle Tennessee
2. Marshall
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. The University of Louisiana
6. ULM
7. Troy
8. USA
9. UAB
10. Georgia State
11. Georgia Southern
12. Arkansas State

You’re going to take ULM over WKU in a fantasy conference with no way of happening?

Look where ULM is located compared to the other teams on the list other than Marshall of course. This is a bus conference.

Nobody is building out a conference around that territory.

If a new conference will be formed, it will be pushed further East, and built around more of the major metro areas.

Monroe has a much more realistic future in FCS than they do in a new FBS conference.

yep

Imo I think the MW would stay at 10 or 8. I think the future of G conferences will be smaller regional ones.

(05-05-2021 01:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 12:49 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 12:25 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-05-2021 08:57 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 09:32 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Its funny how a poll about a hypothetical situation can bring a lot of dish dash from all corners of the conference. Not a single or even a handful of schools/fans have the pull to do squat in the grand scheme of things whether its east coast schools thinking of breaking free from Texas or vice versa. I don't know of a single school or fan that is happy about being in a conference forever no matter how good it is. Change finds a way. Yes there is a possibility Charlotte and ODU might stick together so its not out of scope.

You and one of your ODU supporters stirred up a chunk of that "dish dash" (never heard that expression before) when you started whining about Texas schools again for the umpteenth time, suggesting another Texas school should join UTEP. Mind you, UTEP was in C-USA long before ODU ever joined. Rice has also been in the conference as long as UTEP has. The only schools who have been in this conference longer are UAB and Southern Miss. In fact, four of the five schools who have been in the conference the longest are in the Western Division, Marshall being the only exception.

Are you sure you are remembering it correct? I personally never complained about CUSA myself because i am pretty well aware that there is no such thing as perfect conference for any of us for long. Things change and we ***** and moan all the time.

If you never complained before I'm glad to hear it, because as you said, there is no perfect conference and things do change. What I was referencing though was your complaisance on this topic with mturn017's sentiments...

(05-03-2021 12:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I hope when/if that happens they take another TX school with them so we don't have to worry about it.

This.

Okay i am not sure how you are inferencing my agreement with "UTEP taking along another TX school with it" to not liking Texas schools altogether. I would say the same if it comes to another eastern school if it happens but the chances of UTEP going with another Texas school are high than say from one in the eastern seaboard. I actually like UTEP they have some passionate Basketball fans and can support it better than anyone in the conference when they are playing good but unfortunately for them things didn't look good for the past few years.

Fair enough.