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(05-05-2021 10:04 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 09:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  you never actually been to a basketball practice higher than middle school... my middle school aau practices were rougher than thins

Amazingly tone deaf...

Pesik, if you got kids collapsing in practice you shouldn't be around kids.
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(05-05-2021 11:36 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You can spin it however you want to to fit your narrative.

every coach had brutal conditioning.. it is not a spin.. i posted a picture from UH like 4 pages back of multiple UH players collapsed from running getting medical care from our November "conditioning" practices

So we had a player just 2-3 years ago literally had his life saved by Bob Mangine and our SA health department because of their understanding and use of heart monitors. For a head coach to literally say "f*ck the heart monitors" is pretty alarming.
stxrunner noted something similar earlier but i didnt notice it till later...

Prince Toyambi had medical issues that was affected by the extreme conditioning.. also doesnt this prove that cronin had extreme conditioning as the issues came about in the cronin era

and like i noted earlier how do you know that the prince situation isnt what led to the off the cuff statement....an example, because of princes situation players knew they could use monitors to get out of running or that the medical staff was more hyper aware because of that, when they had been previously quiet ..that they kept using the monitors to get out of things and he said 1 thing out of frustration,.. im not saying that is the context.. but noting statements without context can be damning to everyone // he didnt say this to the public, it was a rehashed quote from 1 private practice after being spied on for months
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(05-05-2021 11:49 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  
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(05-05-2021 09:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  you never actually been to a basketball practice higher than middle school... my middle school aau practices were rougher than thins

Amazingly tone deaf...

Pesik, if you got kids collapsing in practice you shouldn't be around kids.

if you have time watch "why not us" its a espn+ show that follows nc central in practice
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(05-05-2021 11:34 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It would be interesting reading the different practice techniques of coaches and the influence of medical advice.

Things have changed (for the better IMO) since my youth.

It's honestly insane seeing people not understand how stuff has changed.

We used to tell people with head injuries to suck it up and play through things too. Turns out that wasn't exactly a good idea.

Why talk about science when you have 'basketball experience'.

Work outs involving players collapsing from exertion does not seem within present player safety best practices, but I am not in the medical profession.
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(05-05-2021 11:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:36 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You can spin it however you want to to fit your narrative.

every coach had brutal conditioning.. it is not a spin.. i posted a picture from UH like 4 pages back of multiple UH players collapsed from running getting medical care from our November "conditioning" practices

So we had a player just 2-3 years ago literally had his life saved by Bob Mangine and our SA health department because of their understanding and use of heart monitors. For a head coach to literally say "f*ck the heart monitors" is pretty alarming.
stxrunner noted something similar earlier but i didnt notice it till later...

Prince Toyambi had medical issues that was affected by the extreme conditioning.. also doesnt this prove that cronin had extreme conditioning as the issues came about in the cronin era

and like i noted earlier how do you that the prince situation isnt what led to the off the cuff statement....an example, because of princes situation players knew they could use monitors to get out of running or that the medical staff was more hyper aware because of that, when they had been previously quiet ..that they kept using the monitors to get out of things and he said 1 thing out of frustration,.. im not saying that is the context.. but noting statements without context can be damning to everyone // he didnt say this to the public, it was a rehashed quote from 1 private practice after being spied on for months

Cronin listened to the medical staff. It saved his life.

Brannen apparently intimidated players and medical staff.

Also, how tf does a player manipulate a heart monitor?
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(05-05-2021 11:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:34 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It would be interesting reading the different practice techniques of coaches and the influence of medical advice.

Things have changed (for the better IMO) since my youth.

It's honestly insane seeing people not understand how stuff has changed.

We used to tell people with head injuries to suck it up and play through things too. Turns out that wasn't exactly a good idea.

Why talk about science when you have 'basketball experience'.

Work outs involving players collapsing from exertion does not seem within present player safety best practices, but I am not in the medical profession.


Kids puking in trash cans, needing fluids, etc is pretty normal in conditioning. It's one of the reasons the medical staff is there, because despite having multiple physical evaluations lots of problems are missed and it's really not uncommon for these sort of work outs to reveal this even at the NBA and NFL level where the athletes are under constant observation.

I can't speak to this particular incident but it's called conditioning for a reason and is the most common time for injuries.

Here's the issue. This started how long ago? If Cincy had a real problem with this they would have handled it then. This is scapegoating and you are going to have a hard time saying this is for cause when you allowed him to coach a whole season after it. That's like a tenant claiming their house is unlivable in court, but still living in the house for 6 months after it became unlivable.

Cincy will be paying. I expect Fickle to be out at the first pretty goo football job in the region, no more waiting at Cincinnati for ND or tOSU. There will be knock on effects through the coaching ranks of all sports. It's a dirty business and this will get rolled in with the rest of the laundry over time, but it will hurt Cincy and they have an AD problem whether their fans want to admit it or not.
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(05-05-2021 11:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:32 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:16 AM)pesik Wrote:  also BearcatMark "we have a great case because we arent leaking anything to the public"

*uc proceeds to leak a bunch of stuff the public* and pretty much confirms all the previous stuff was also leaked by them (as its the same information worded the same way too)

lol

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UC has not leaked a single thing to the public. This document came from a FOIA request by the media. Yesterday's letter came from a FOIA by the media. UC is a public institution, they don't really have a choice when those are filed.

And as far as those Justin Williams Athletic articles. Brendel has said unequivocally that the athletic department was not involved and was actively trying to avoid attention on the issue. The only person trying to make things public at any point in time are Tom Mars and the media...

there is nothing that states it was FOIA'd.... nothing..
also was referencing the athletic article from a few months ago that stated the exact same thing ...there definitely wasnt a foia then

From the story:

"Out of Bounds obtained a copy of the document through a public records request and the document was heavily redacted by the university to protect identifying student information."

At this point, I'm running up the score worse than Houston did on UC this past season.
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(05-05-2021 11:55 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Cronin listened to the medical staff. It saved his life.

Brannen apparently intimidated players and medical staff.

Also, how tf does a player manipulate a heart monitor?

who said anything about manipulating.. like i noted earlier how do you know it wasnt about precaution and being over cautious to stay within the lines of precaution ..with condition based workouts you will be pushed to your limits.. thats the entire point of conditioning workouts...

so Cronin stop his hard conditioning for the team becuase of prince?... you are adding alot of context that just isnt there...the only context that is there is that cronin had extreme conditioning... and through heart monitors noticed that prince had some medical issues that saved his life..
nothing about what cronin did as a response is added to the context...brannen never said to stop using the heart monitors...the same issues would have been detected if it was medical
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(05-05-2021 12:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:32 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:16 AM)pesik Wrote:  also BearcatMark "we have a great case because we arent leaking anything to the public"

*uc proceeds to leak a bunch of stuff the public* and pretty much confirms all the previous stuff was also leaked by them (as its the same information worded the same way too)

lol

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UC has not leaked a single thing to the public. This document came from a FOIA request by the media. Yesterday's letter came from a FOIA by the media. UC is a public institution, they don't really have a choice when those are filed.

And as far as those Justin Williams Athletic articles. Brendel has said unequivocally that the athletic department was not involved and was actively trying to avoid attention on the issue. The only person trying to make things public at any point in time are Tom Mars and the media...

there is nothing that states it was FOIA'd.... nothing..
also was referencing the athletic article from a few months ago that stated the exact same thing ...there definitely wasnt a foia then

From the story:

"Out of Bounds obtained a copy of the document through a public records request and the document was heavily redacted by the university to protect identifying student information."

At this point, I'm running up the score worse than Houston did on UC this past season.

Considering your opponent ... that's not hard to do.
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(05-05-2021 11:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:36 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You can spin it however you want to to fit your narrative.

every coach had brutal conditioning.. it is not a spin.. i posted a picture from UH like 4 pages back of multiple UH players collapsed from running getting medical care from our November "conditioning" practices

So we had a player just 2-3 years ago literally had his life saved by Bob Mangine and our SA health department because of their understanding and use of heart monitors. For a head coach to literally say "f*ck the heart monitors" is pretty alarming.
stxrunner noted something similar earlier but i didnt notice it till later...

Prince Toyambi had medical issues that was affected by the extreme conditioning.. also doesnt this prove that cronin had extreme conditioning as the issues came about in the cronin era

and like i noted earlier how do you that the prince situation isnt what led to the off the cuff statement....an example, because of princes situation players knew they could use monitors to get out of running or that the medical staff was more hyper aware because of that, when they had been previously quiet ..that they kept using the monitors to get out of things and he said 1 thing out of frustration,.. im not saying that is the context.. but noting statements without context can be damning to everyone // he didnt say this to the public, it was a rehashed quote from 1 private practice after being spied on for months

Goodness, read the dates.

SEPTEMBER of 2019 was when the issue was discovered. John Brannen was the coach in September of 2019. The procedure happened during John's first year here.

Cronin had tough conditioning just like most coaches do. Again, tough conditioning isn't the issue. It's ignoring medical procedures and staff, going so far as to attempt to avoid the Head Athletic Trainer's presence around the facility. It's a big yikes all the way around.
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(05-05-2021 12:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  From the story:

"Out of Bounds obtained a copy of the document through a public records request and the document was heavily redacted by the university to protect identifying student information."

At this point, I'm running up the score worse than Houston did on UC this past season.

was talking about the Cincinnati.com article from 2 days ago and the athletic article from 2 months ago... this article from a out of bounds or whatever has redacted names and official paper work, there was obviously a request... im talking about leaking to the major local media outlets ..
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(05-05-2021 12:02 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Cincy will be paying. I expect Fickle to be out at the first pretty goo football job in the region, no more waiting at Cincinnati for ND or tOSU. There will be knock on effects through the coaching ranks of all sports. It's a dirty business and this will get rolled in with the rest of the laundry over time, but it will hurt Cincy and they have an AD problem whether their fans want to admit it or not.
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(05-05-2021 12:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Goodness, read the dates.

SEPTEMBER of 2019 was when the issue was discovered. John Brannen was the coach in September of 2019. The procedure happened during John's first year here.

Cronin had tough conditioning just like most coaches do. Again, tough conditioning isn't the issue. It's ignoring medical procedures and staff, going so far as to attempt to avoid the Head Athletic Trainer's presence around the facility. It's a big yikes all the way around.

how does this help your point... so brannen's staff noticed prince's issues, caused by heavy conditioning before he even had his 1st practice ..

so brannen staff saved his life.. not Cronin's,...and the issue was still caused by Cronin
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(05-05-2021 12:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Goodness, read the dates.

SEPTEMBER of 2019 was when the issue was discovered. John Brannen was the coach in September of 2019. The procedure happened during John's first year here.

Cronin had tough conditioning just like most coaches do. Again, tough conditioning isn't the issue. It's ignoring medical procedures and staff, going so far as to attempt to avoid the Head Athletic Trainer's presence around the facility. It's a big yikes all the way around.

how does this help your point... so before brannen staff noticed a prince issues caused by heavy conditioning before he even had his 1st practice ..

so brannen staff saved his life.. not cronins,...and the issue was still caused by cronin

How dense are you? That's literally not the point. The point is that a heart monitor it turns out is a great way to monitor athletes health during training.
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(05-05-2021 12:02 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Cincy will be paying. I expect Fickle to be out at the first pretty goo football job in the region, no more waiting at Cincinnati for ND or tOSU. There will be knock on effects through the coaching ranks of all sports. It's a dirty business and this will get rolled in with the rest of the laundry over time, but it will hurt Cincy and they have an AD problem whether their fans want to admit it or not.
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(05-05-2021 12:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  From the story:

"Out of Bounds obtained a copy of the document through a public records request and the document was heavily redacted by the university to protect identifying student information."

At this point, I'm running up the score worse than Houston did on UC this past season.

was talking about the Cincinnati.com article from 2 days ago and the athletic article from 2 months ago... this article from a out of bounds or whatever has redacted names and official paper work, there was obviously a request... im talking about leaking to the major local media outlets ..

The Cincinnati.com article also had redactions. You're very good at backtracking when you're wrong -- I'll give you that much. You're the one saying info is being leaked. The burden of proof is on you, and you have none.
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(05-05-2021 12:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  From the story:

"Out of Bounds obtained a copy of the document through a public records request and the document was heavily redacted by the university to protect identifying student information."

At this point, I'm running up the score worse than Houston did on UC this past season.

was talking about the Cincinnati.com article from 2 days ago and the athletic article from 2 months ago... this article from a out of bounds or whatever has redacted names and official paper work, there was obviously a request... im talking about leaking to the major local media outlets ..

"The letter was included in a group of documents obtained by The Enquirer under Ohio's Open Records Act"

Cincinnati dot com is the Enquirer's website to clarify.

So let me ask again, what. are. you. talking. about?
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Your "arguments" are incredibly pedantic and embarrassing. You also engage in a motte and bailey tactic with your "points."
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(05-05-2021 12:35 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  From the story:

"Out of Bounds obtained a copy of the document through a public records request and the document was heavily redacted by the university to protect identifying student information."

At this point, I'm running up the score worse than Houston did on UC this past season.

was talking about the Cincinnati.com article from 2 days ago and the athletic article from 2 months ago... this article from a out of bounds or whatever has redacted names and official paper work, there was obviously a request... im talking about leaking to the major local media outlets ..

"The letter was included in a group of documents obtained by The Enquirer under Ohio's Open Records Act"

Cincinnati dot com is the Enquirer's website to clarify.

So let me ask again, what. are. you. talking. about?

ill hold the L on the FOIA stuff, i misread the cincy article, thought it said we receive his termination letter from the open records act, then spoke of other documents they saw throughout the article... the letter was part of group of documents they received

but cincy still sent a variety of documents... without knowing specifically what to request, cincy dictates what it gets to send.. cincy chose to send out a variety of documents it probably didnt have to..and still doesnt explain the athletic article with the same information 2 months ago
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(05-05-2021 12:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:02 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Cincy will be paying. I expect Fickle to be out at the first pretty goo football job in the region, no more waiting at Cincinnati for ND or tOSU. There will be knock on effects through the coaching ranks of all sports. It's a dirty business and this will get rolled in with the rest of the laundry over time, but it will hurt Cincy and they have an AD problem whether their fans want to admit it or not.
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I know? Right. This could be the dumbest take in this thread, and that’s saying something when you have Pesik doing literal 180 cartwheels to prove his inane, unfounded points. Good lord.
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