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(05-04-2021 11:58 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Sam might be a great player one day. But I doubt very seriously he contributes more than 5 minutes a game as a freshmen. Probably averaging 2pts and 1 rebound a game.

The only players on the team last year who played less than 5 minutes a game was walk-on Glennon, and frosh Nesbitt who joined mid-season with no practice time. Sam will almost certainly get more than 5 minutes.

Will he get 10 minutes, seems to be the big question. The only additional ones who played less than 10 minutes were mid-season transfers Rand and Lance. Jayden is right at 10 minutes. I'm guessing Sam will be 8-10 minutes, simply based upon how Penny plays A LOT of guys. If Sam holds his own in practice, he could get 15 minutes.
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(05-04-2021 11:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Thierro wasn't close to top 100, Pierre was in the top 100 when he was a junior, but then plummeted into the 150's and if I remember correctly, Erwin was around 110.

True. He was 69 at Hoop Scoop and 70 at ESPN.

My bad.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awa..._2002.html

Pierre:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awa..._2006.html

Everyone used Rivals back then. Nobody has ever used ESPN.

Niles at 117
Niles 117

Thiero wasn't ranked at all.
Thiero Unranked

Why would you even use Thiero as an example? He had knee surgery at the beginning of November that knocked him out his entire freshman year, then had another surgery the following summer, then had blood clots in his lungs that knocked him out the next season.

That's even worse than using Erwin as an example, when he was playing behind Wise, Massie and Barron.
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Don't forget his "brother", John Camden.



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(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.
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(05-04-2021 03:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.

Where do you get the idea that Chandler will play the 5. He's 6'8" 200#, has played some 4 in a small lineup & is on record as saying his preference is the 3?
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(05-04-2021 06:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Does anyone know Sam's FT stats while in HS/prep school?

Dorsey shot 76% FTs at Laurenburg...

It appears FT shooting numbers go out the window once you step on campus.
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(05-04-2021 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 03:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.

Where do you get the idea that Chandler will play the 5. He's 6'8" 200#, has played some 4 in a small lineup & is on record as saying his preference is the 3?

Just looking at size and minutes. If he cant play the 5 he may struggle to get minutes. Because he doesn't shoot well enough to play on the perimeter and doesn't seem fast enough to guard a decent 3.
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We are returning 2 guys who averaged 4 and 3 at the Center position (Being Generous with Chandler).

When we don't return productivity at the center spot new guys tend to get more minutes.

When we don't return productivity @ Center you get

Mike Parks getting 22 minutes scoring 8 and grabbing 4.5 boards

Will Coleman getting 23 minutes scoring 7 and grabbing 6 boards.
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(05-04-2021 03:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.

You didn't give me crap.

You picked ONE guy in the 90-110 range (and BTW Sam is 116 in 24/7) our of about 5 other choices.

He was a 7 footer from Creghton who HAD been top 80 the summer before the season the somehow dropped to the 100's.

Regardless, he was the ONLY rotation player for Creighton taller than 6'8 so they needed him regardless. During the BE and NCaat his productivity and usage dropped.

The other two were in the 70's and 80's in the composites (way higher than 116) and some services had them both in the 50's.

Again, bottom line, if a dude who is 110+ who is described as "raw" and who hasn't played organized ball since 2019-20 (for a 14-12 HS team) is playing half the minutes at center, this might not be an NIT team.

Just logic.

Just like if Moussa didn't play and Memphis had to press Lance, Rand or Dandridge into major minutes, this would have not even been an NIT team.

Just like when Stammers was @ me about Warren when I said dude would be a nice bench guy getting about 10 minutes a game. He was talking like the guy was going to be a 20+ minute player because he tore it up for the 320th best team in the country.

TLDR: dude saw the writing on the wall and knew he was gonna get splinters so he got out of his lot and went to a place with all you can eat minutes without competition.
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(05-04-2021 06:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 03:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.

You didn't give me crap.

You picked ONE guy in the 90-110 range (and BTW Sam is 116 in 24/7) our of about 5 other choices.

He was a 7 footer from Creghton who HAD been top 80 the summer before the season the somehow dropped to the 100's.

Regardless, he was the ONLY rotation player for Creighton taller than 6'8 so they needed him regardless. During the BE and NCaat his productivity and usage dropped.

The other two were in the 70's and 80's in the composites (way higher than 116) and some services had them both in the 50's.

Again, bottom line, if a dude who is 110+ who is described as "raw" and who hasn't played organized ball since 2019-20 (for a 14-12 HS team) is playing half the minutes at center, this might not be an NIT team.

Just logic.

Just like if Moussa didn't play and Memphis had to press Lance, Rand or Dandridge into major minutes, this would have not even been an NIT team.

Just like when Stammers was @ me about Warren when I said dude would be a nice bench guy getting about 10 minutes a game. He was talking like the guy was going to be a 20+ minute player because he tore it up for the 320th best team in the country.

TLDR: dude saw the writing on the wall and knew he was gonna get splinters so he got out of his lot and went to a place with all you can eat minutes without competition.

And yet every single player in Warren's peer group played 20+ minutes per game at their new school and were in the top 6 in scoring. So throw that nonsense out the window.

You are the only person on the planet that will say with a straight face that a Juco ranked in the 350's should be expected to score more than a top 50 recruit.

You also can't seem to see the difference in vying for playing time with Wise, Massie, Barron, Taggart, Dozier, Dorsey, Nichols, Shaq versus Malcolm Dandridge. So competition for playing time IS a big deal for Warren at Memphis, but Sam would apparently get the same playing time and production competing against Wise, Massie and Barron as he will competing against Dandridge. That is hilarious.

2002
Wise, Massie, Barron, Barclay
Conclusion: Sam will play 8 minutes and go for 3 and 3

2022
Dandridge
Conclusion: Sam will play 8 minutes and go for 3 and 3

Last but not least, you use a player who had a pin in his surgically repaired leg to try and make your lame point.
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Still wondering how someone is bringing in JUCO players who are at least two years removed from high school and comparing them to 100+ ranked frosh when that was never raised or part of the conversation.

You do you, boo.

But here's the good thing...unlike Warren who tucked and ran when he did the math and realized he would be getting 10 mpg, we'll be able to revisit this in December.

So, until then...
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(05-04-2021 08:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Still wondering how someone is bringing in JUCO players who are at least two years removed from high school and comparing them to 100+ ranked frosh when that was never raised or part of the conversation.

You do you, boo.

But here's the good thing...unlike Warren who tucked and ran when he did the math and realized he would be getting 10 mpg, we'll be able to revisit this in December.

So, until then...

Mike Parks, ranked #355 in his class can go for 8 and 4.5, but Sam ranked #115 in his class, will only play 3 minutes. Why? Because Mike Parks was 2 years older than Sam. It can be done anywhere except, apparently Memphis. If you want proof, just look at Thiero, who had a pin in his leg his freshman season. Sam would have exactly the same production if he was fighting for playing time with Kelly Wise, Chris Massie, Earl Barron and Arthur Barclay, as he will competing against Dandridge.

Sure, that makes sense.
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(05-04-2021 03:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 03:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.

Where do you get the idea that Chandler will play the 5. He's 6'8" 200#, has played some 4 in a small lineup & is on record as saying his preference is the 3?

Just looking at size and minutes. If he cant play the 5 he may struggle to get minutes. Because he doesn't shoot well enough to play on the perimeter and doesn't seem fast enough to guard a decent 3.

With the Keelon interviews with Jason Smith, it sounded like Penny and they had been discussing Chandler playing the 5.
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(05-04-2021 06:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 03:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.

I gave you 5 guys this year who were ranked 100 and their stats.

Yet you act like the only thing that matters is previous Tiger history.

Before Precious...How many Freshman Tiger PF\C averaged 30 MPG.

Your argument is if Sam plays 20 minutes per game we stink. You follow that up with you will go with two guys with D1 experience over Sam...Both of whom couldn't manage 3 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes of game time.

The deal is the other two guys are the guys Sam is competing with is what will determine his minutes. He is not competing against Tiger history...He is competing with Malcolm and Chandler for those minutes.

You didn't give me crap.

You picked ONE guy in the 90-110 range (and BTW Sam is 116 in 24/7) our of about 5 other choices.

He was a 7 footer from Creghton who HAD been top 80 the summer before the season the somehow dropped to the 100's.

Regardless, he was the ONLY rotation player for Creighton taller than 6'8 so they needed him regardless. During the BE and NCaat his productivity and usage dropped.

The other two were in the 70's and 80's in the composites (way higher than 116) and some services had them both in the 50's.

Again, bottom line, if a dude who is 110+ who is described as "raw" and who hasn't played organized ball since 2019-20 (for a 14-12 HS team) is playing half the minutes at center, this might not be an NIT team.

Just logic.

Just like if Moussa didn't play and Memphis had to press Lance, Rand or Dandridge into major minutes, this would have not even been an NIT team.

Just like when Stammers was @ me about Warren when I said dude would be a nice bench guy getting about 10 minutes a game. He was talking like the guy was going to be a 20+ minute player because he tore it up for the 320th best team in the country.

TLDR: dude saw the writing on the wall and knew he was gonna get splinters so he got out of his lot and went to a place with all you can eat minutes without competition.

I picked the first 5 ranked over 100 by 247...Those are the ones I posted.

But But..."I use the composite"...Picking at Nits.

So are you saying the this year without Moussa we won't be an NIT team...Because we won't have Moussa and we will be pressing guys who score 4 and grab 3 rebounds into big minutes.

Lance averaged 4.4 and 2.5 the previous year...Very similar to Malcolm and Chandler. Again we aren't bring much back...About as much as we were bringing back last year at the 5. But if Lance plays big minutes we stink...If Malcolm plays big minutes this year we'll be fine...Come on...You see that you aren't closing the loop here.

The idea that if a new guy is better than your returning guys it is going to make you worse logically doesn't make sense...Because that is essentially what you are arguing.
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(05-04-2021 08:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Still wondering how someone is bringing in JUCO players who are at least two years removed from high school and comparing them to 100+ ranked frosh when that was never raised or part of the conversation.

You do you, boo.

But here's the good thing...unlike Warren who tucked and ran when he did the math and realized he would be getting 10 mpg, we'll be able to revisit this in December.

So, until then...

You are seriously narrowing this discussion...

A top Juco Should play as well as what ranked Freshman and Parks was far from a top ranked JUCO...I know you have made this statement before.

And I posted those two guys because neither were great college players but since they were the best option they put up decent numbers and played big minutes. This year we aren't returning any decent bigs. The best of the bunch will get many more minutes than if they were playing with Black or Shaq.

The other examples that I could find where we returned no Bigs was in 20 and of course Precious got all the minutes he could eat then as well.
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(05-04-2021 10:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Still wondering how someone is bringing in JUCO players who are at least two years removed from high school and comparing them to 100+ ranked frosh when that was never raised or part of the conversation.

You do you, boo.

But here's the good thing...unlike Warren who tucked and ran when he did the math and realized he would be getting 10 mpg, we'll be able to revisit this in December.

So, until then...

You are seriously narrowing this discussion...

A top Juco Should play as well as what ranked Freshman and Parks was far from a top ranked JUCO...I know you have made this statement before.

And I posted those two guys because neither were great college players but since they were the best option they put up decent numbers and played big minutes. This year we aren't returning any decent bigs. The best of the bunch will get many more minutes than if they were playing with Black or Shaq.

The other examples that I could find where we returned no Bigs was in 20 and of course Precious got all the minutes he could eat then as well.

Even though few players fit into that category, a half dozen or so accomplish it every year. To say that Mike Parks should perform as well as Robert Dozier is insane. Saluki is on tilt.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.


I'd set the season total over/under for Sam @ 100 pts, 75 rebounds. If he beats that he's had a good year
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.

Actually, I had Parks at 4 and 3 (which is about what one should expect from a 100-125 frosh big)...essentially 50% of his JUCO #'s.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-832539.html

He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

The next season, under Penny, his minutes declined as Penny went to smaller lineups and he went for 5 and 3 for an NIT team.

So, had I said..."If Parks is playing 20 minutes a game then this team is in trouble..." would have been a true statement.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-05-2021 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.

Actually, I had Parks at 4 and 3 (which is about what one should expect from a 100-125 frosh big)...essentially 50% of his JUCO #'s.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-832539.html

He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

The next season, under Penny, his minutes declined as Penny went to smaller lineups and he went for 5 and 3 for an NIT team.

So, had I said..."If Parks is playing 20 minutes a game then this team is in trouble..." would have been a true statement.

Quote:He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

You keep admitting that your argument makes no sense, and then keep arguing that it does.

How can you say this with a straight face and then turn around and say that Sam would play the same 3 minutes per game if he was playing behind Wise, Massie, Barron and Barclay? According to you, Shaq would be expected to average 6 and 4 on THIS team just because that is some weird number you plug in with him as a freshman. Your one size fits all makes no sense at all.

Interesting that in that thread, you projected that the Juco players would produce less points comparatively to the lower ranked freshman. Now you are swearing up and down that Jucos rated in the 300's should expect to perform just as well as freshmen in the 70's, just because they are older.

You predicted 6 and 4 for Shaq. He had to split minutes with Black who was a junior. He would get 12 and 8 on this team competing against Dandridge. Sam would play 3 minutes for the 2002 team. Competing against only Dandridge, he will get many more minutes unless he is really bad. The bizarre statement about Jucos ranked in the 300's takes the cake.

None what you are saying makes any sense.
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