(05-03-2021 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 09:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Where did Chad Brendel mention that uc contacted Frank Martin?

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it was on the skinny podcast... he said for months he has been hearing uc has been reaching out to prominent HCs to feel their interest in the job, one was martin.. they noted how crazy it would have been to even interview him (had he not signed the extension days prior to brannens firing), you claim to be firing a coach for abuse, then interview a coach with worse abuse allegation and it reveals the true nature off this..

robertfoshizzle posted the link a few pages back, i dont feel like googling, we talked about it here, a few uc fans here noted he is friends with brannen that why he was saying that

Lol. Frank Martin was who Mike Bohn had lined up to hire when Mick left for UCLA. Our president, who had just got done dealing with the Pitino FBI UofL fallout, wanted nothing to do with another program mentioned in the case and outright blocked it.

I'm assuming his feelings didn't change on the matter. So I think that in this case, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that Cunningham was now going to contact maybe one of the few guys in the country he knew he wouldn't be able to hire for the job.

(05-03-2021 07:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  why are people acting the "the facts" will come out... no facts are going to come out.

uc is going to release things in trial to construe its meaning to make it seem worse (This was known by all sides)... most people in the country wont buy it, cincy fans will buy it .. and that will be the end of that and forgotten in 2 months

also the slam dunk thing is silly statement... it seems the hard workout things was from November.. but didn't fire him till april...that actually weakens your case, hard to justify cause for something you already reprimanded and moved on from as cause (it was a stronger case when it was believed that UC had just found out)

and at this point you have to be naive, and i mean NAIVE not to think the people leaking the workout stuff werent the UC athletic department from the start..UC was not staying quiet .. this new article is literally just the athletic article but now confirms that its from within the UC department (even tho brendal already said this, but mark didnt want to believe)

Seems like you don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head.

From the letter:

‘ "Made, attempted, arranged or otherwise made payment for special payments for a student athlete... intimidated and/or attempted to intimidate students from raising proper compliance concerns." ‘

I’m sure you will refuse to believe anything happened, but from the university’s stance, this is clearly about more than just conditioning at practices like you want to keep restricting it to.

Edit: For context, there were rumors on UC's boards all season from guys who knew the players that they (the players) were PO'd that Brannen was talking to them trying to figure out who ratted him out. They felt he was talking to them about each other behind their backs. This allegation fits in context of that, though I have no idea if those are connected for sure. Retaliation for reporting a concern is a serious d move from Brannen though, obviously if true.

(05-03-2021 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Seems like you don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head.

From the letter:

‘ "Made, attempted, arranged or otherwise made payment for special payments for a student athlete... intimidated and/or attempted to intimidate students from raising proper compliance concerns." ‘

I’m sure you will refuse to believe anything happened, but from the university’s stance, this is clearly about more than just conditioning at practices like you want to keep restricting it to.

Edit: For context, there were rumors on UC's boards all season from guys who knew the players that they (the players) were PO'd that Brannen was talking to them trying to figure out who ratted him out. They felt he was talking to them about each other behind their backs. This allegation fits in context of that, though I have no idea if those are connected for sure. Retaliation for reporting a concern is a serious d move from Brannen though, obviously if true.

UC fans need to hold a mirror and read the part you bolded... when literally only UC fans are on one perspective, its is likely you are the ones being fed a narrative

it was obvious UC was going to accuse him of something, for months it has been said UC has been trying to find a way to fire him with cause...
UC was going to accuse him of something, we all knew that was going to happen to enable cause.. the whole negativity towards UC was trying to weasel out of paying him by accusing him of doing something bad, that would destroy his character ....most likely overstating something minor or common in most programs

**UC accuses him of doing something bad** (what we all expected)_
uc fans- see i told you he was doing something bad.. as if everyone wasnt expecting this and this is some sorta solid proof he was actually endangering the players

ps i also dont care that he offered to pay for lunch or books (or whatever) for one of his players.....

(05-03-2021 10:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Lol. Frank Martin was who Mike Bohn had lined up to hire when Mick left for UCLA. Our president, who had just got done dealing with the Pitino FBI UofL fallout, wanted nothing to do with another program mentioned in the case and outright blocked it.

I'm assuming his feelings didn't change on the matter. So I think that in this case, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that Cunningham was now going to contact maybe one of the few guys in the country he knew he wouldn't be able to hire for the job.

also this response adds to my point...one of the biggest credible UC insiders says something (that hurts the UC narrative).. UC fans- nope i dont believe it.
it is you guys who "don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head"

I really don’t care what anyone outside of our fan base thinks. If the things in the termination letter prove to be true, it was time for Brannen to go. I am very confident that we are much better off with Miller running the program. Feels like we made a homerun hire, or at least close to that. Things just feel so different around here. I haven’t been as excited for Cincinnati basketball since 2017 when we had a potential top-five team going into the season.

(05-03-2021 11:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 10:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Lol. Frank Martin was who Mike Bohn had lined up to hire when Mick left for UCLA. Our president, who had just got done dealing with the Pitino FBI UofL fallout, wanted nothing to do with another program mentioned in the case and outright blocked it.

I'm assuming his feelings didn't change on the matter. So I think that in this case, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that Cunningham was now going to contact maybe one of the few guys in the country he knew he wouldn't be able to hire for the job.

also this response adds to my point...one of the biggest credible UC insiders says something (that hurts the UC narrative).. UC fans- nope i dont believe it.
it is you guys who "don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head"

I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.

Pesik, just take your L and run away with your tail between your legs. Previously, you opined that UC was ruining Brannen's reputation. OK, I can see how it could possibly be perceived as a witch hunt - mind you he received a reprimand letter in November and allegedly continued to act like an insufferable ******* that didn't take into account his player's physical and emotional well being. Now you are just making things up. UC never reached out to Frank Martin during the season. It just didn't happen and i'm not going to back and listen to every podcast as rebuttal. Cunningham had basically zero leaks during the hiring process - we didn't know Miller was a serious candidate until 2 hours before he was hired! The more items come out from freedom of information requests, it becomes more clear that Cunningham did an exemplary job navigating an incredibly difficult and sensitive process and made the absolute right decision in the end to send Brannen packing.

Your agenda is clear as day as you continue to use the word "abuse" knowing how explosive that word is.

(05-03-2021 11:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  it was obvious UC was going to accuse him of something, for months it has been said UC has been trying to find a way to fire him with cause...
UC was going to accuse him of something, we all knew that was going to happen to enable cause.. the whole negativity towards UC was trying to weasel out of paying him by accusing him of doing something bad, that would destroy his character ....most likely overstating something minor or common in most programs

**UC accuses him of doing something bad** (what we all expected)_
uc fans- see i told you he was doing something bad.. as if everyone wasnt expecting this and this is some sorta solid proof he was actually endangering the players

ps i also dont care that he offered to pay for lunch or books (or whatever) for one of his players.....

Cunningham playing the long game. Trumping up a fake letter of reprimand prior to the season laying out specific concerns and stressing the seriousness of John's conduct. What foresight to fake that before a game was played coming off a conference championship so they could come after him later.

Give it a rest.

As an attorney that's a great piece to have. There was no reason for UC to send that letter other than John's conduct and UC being very concerned about something that happened. In really undermines the idea that this was some sort of witch hunt.

The truth isn't what is in the UC termination letter or anything that comes from UC ... It's also not going to be the story that Brannen and his lawyers paint either. It's somewhere in the middle. This will likely get settled out of court for some X amount between 0 and full buyout amount.

Been there .. done that ...

(05-03-2021 07:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  why are people acting the "the facts" will come out... no facts are going to come out.

uc is going to release things in trial to construe its meaning to make it seem worse (This was known by all sides)... most people in the country wont buy it, cincy fans will buy it .. and that will be the end of that and forgotten in 2 months

also the slam dunk thing is silly statement... it seems the hard workout things was from November.. but didn't fire him till april...that actually weakens your case, hard to justify cause for something you already reprimanded and moved on from as cause (it was a stronger case when it was believed that UC had just found out)

and at this point you have to be naive, and i mean NAIVE not to think the people leaking the workout stuff werent the UC athletic department from the start..UC was not staying quiet .. this new article is literally just the athletic article but now confirms that its from within the UC department (even tho brendal already said this, but mark didnt want to believe)

No, it's a ****** scene and situation for the university to be put in. Specifically by the players, fueled by COVID and the allure of the transfer portal. Truly unprecedented.

I agree Brannen got a pretty raw deal and fired for some fairly soft allegations. Luckily Cunningham put something in writing in November.

But please tell me, Pesik....if it were YOUR university and YOUR program on the line, what would you have preferred YOUR administration and AD have done differently?

This **** was wild y'all. But the program is far more important than this coach. Hasta la vista.

(05-04-2021 08:50 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The truth isn't what is in the UC termination letter or anything that comes from UC ... It's also not going to be the story that Brannen and his lawyers paint either. It's somewhere in the middle. This will likely get settled out of court for some X amount between 0 and full buyout amount.

Been there .. done that ...

UC has the ability more-so than Brannen to drag this thing through court given the vast legal budget but yes, they would prefer to settle this thing before it reaches that point.

I'm sure we will hear something from Brannen's attorney on twitter now that the termination letter is out in the public..

(05-04-2021 08:50 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The truth isn't what is in the UC termination letter or anything that comes from UC ... It's also not going to be the story that Brannen and his lawyers paint either. It's somewhere in the middle. This will likely get settled out of court for some X amount between 0 and full buyout amount.

Been there .. done that ...

And that's exactly why UC should have just paid Brannon & moved on. After all, UC hired him & he had a track record. He didn't just change his stripes. UC was dissatisfied with the direction of the program & wanted a new coach. And frankly just like Cronin. UC fans & admin always complained he couldn't/wouldn't recruit & couldn't win in the tourney so they didn't show the needed support to keep him. Hope Miller wins (but not too big) or it will likely be Rd 3 of as the coaching world turns at UC. It's just that Miller is already well-respected in the cooler BB world so it will be much tougher to say hirng him was a mistake.

(05-04-2021 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 11:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 10:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Lol. Frank Martin was who Mike Bohn had lined up to hire when Mick left for UCLA. Our president, who had just got done dealing with the Pitino FBI UofL fallout, wanted nothing to do with another program mentioned in the case and outright blocked it.

I'm assuming his feelings didn't change on the matter. So I think that in this case, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that Cunningham was now going to contact maybe one of the few guys in the country he knew he wouldn't be able to hire for the job.

also this response adds to my point...one of the biggest credible UC insiders says something (that hurts the UC narrative).. UC fans- nope i dont believe it.
it is you guys who "don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head"

I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.

Same.

This is a classic pesik-ism


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(05-04-2021 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 11:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 10:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Lol. Frank Martin was who Mike Bohn had lined up to hire when Mick left for UCLA. Our president, who had just got done dealing with the Pitino FBI UofL fallout, wanted nothing to do with another program mentioned in the case and outright blocked it.

I'm assuming his feelings didn't change on the matter. So I think that in this case, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that Cunningham was now going to contact maybe one of the few guys in the country he knew he wouldn't be able to hire for the job.

also this response adds to my point...one of the biggest credible UC insiders says something (that hurts the UC narrative).. UC fans- nope i dont believe it.
it is you guys who "don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head"

I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.

I listened as well this morning since I was surprised to hear Chad say something like that given that it wouldn't make sense. I heard nothing of the sort. No mention of reaching out to coaches for months. No mention of months of looking for cause.

Now, there were plenty of rumors about that and it was discussed, but not by him that I've seen.

Add in that John Brannen’s 2nd year saw:
- a mass exodus of players, including his first real recruiting class
- the worst offense since 2007 (mick’s first season)
-the worst defense since 2009 (who played in the big east as opposed to this busted ass league)
-2nd worst 3pt shooting in the entire Kenpom era at uc.
-2nd worst overall Kenpom rating In the Kenpom era for uc.
- his staff was mid major. He had 2 strength coaches leave in 2 years
-he walked off the court on his team who were emotional and upset


And that’s not even including the fact that he is a sociopath who failed to connect with his players. And all the abuse allegations that followed.

Good Riddance John Brannen


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(05-03-2021 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 09:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Where did Chad Brendel mention that uc contacted Frank Martin?

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it was on the skinny podcast... he said for months he has been hearing uc has been reaching out to prominent HCs to feel their interest in the job, one was martin.. they noted how crazy it would have been to even interview him (had he not signed the extension days prior to brannens firing), you claim to be firing a coach for abuse, then interview a coach with worse abuse allegation and it reveals the true nature off this..

robertfoshizzle posted the link a few pages back, i dont feel like googling, we talked about it here, a few uc fans here noted he is friends with brannen that why he was saying that

I just looked back through the thread. 'We' didn't talk about it. You posted a recap of the podcast, which as I just listened, had a number of inaccuracies about Frank Martin and a couple other things (along with some correct recap as well). As far as I can tell, the only times I've seen Frank Martin mentioned in relation to this job are when it was thrown our randomly by Goodman in a tweet, and as a very small footnote on Brendel's coaching hot board.

(05-04-2021 09:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 08:50 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The truth isn't what is in the UC termination letter or anything that comes from UC ... It's also not going to be the story that Brannen and his lawyers paint either. It's somewhere in the middle. This will likely get settled out of court for some X amount between 0 and full buyout amount.

Been there .. done that ...

And that's exactly why UC should have just paid Brannon & moved on. After all, UC hired him & he had a track record. He didn't just change his stripes. UC was dissatisfied with the direction of the program & wanted a new coach. And frankly just like Cronin. UC fans & admin always complained he couldn't/wouldn't recruit & couldn't win in the tourney so they didn't show the needed support to keep him. Hope Miller wins (but not too big) or it will likely be Rd 3 of as the coaching world turns at UC. It's just that Miller is already well-respected in the cooler BB world so it will be much tougher to say hirng him was a mistake.

Let's be clear, as someone who had only minor issues with on court performance the past two years, the issue UC had with Brannen had much less to do with his winning or recruiting (which I actually thought was pretty solid), and 100% had to do with his toxic personality and his poisoning of the personnel in the program.

Speaking of Chad Brendel, he has been going to AAU tournaments to scout potential Cincinnati targets. He said multiple AAU coaches have told him they would not send their players to play for Brannen. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the severity of the allegations against Brannen, him staying at Cincinnati was untenable.

(05-04-2021 10:04 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 11:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 10:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Lol. Frank Martin was who Mike Bohn had lined up to hire when Mick left for UCLA. Our president, who had just got done dealing with the Pitino FBI UofL fallout, wanted nothing to do with another program mentioned in the case and outright blocked it.

I'm assuming his feelings didn't change on the matter. So I think that in this case, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that Cunningham was now going to contact maybe one of the few guys in the country he knew he wouldn't be able to hire for the job.

also this response adds to my point...one of the biggest credible UC insiders says something (that hurts the UC narrative).. UC fans- nope i dont believe it.
it is you guys who "don’t care about what actually happened, only the narrative you’re construed in your own head"

I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.

Same.

This is a classic pesik-ism


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My favorite Coach P defense is to keep putting out walls of text when he is wrong in a hope to wear down your will to respond. If he makes the last post, he wins right?

(05-04-2021 10:20 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 09:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 08:50 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The truth isn't what is in the UC termination letter or anything that comes from UC ... It's also not going to be the story that Brannen and his lawyers paint either. It's somewhere in the middle. This will likely get settled out of court for some X amount between 0 and full buyout amount.

Been there .. done that ...

And that's exactly why UC should have just paid Brannon & moved on. After all, UC hired him & he had a track record. He didn't just change his stripes. UC was dissatisfied with the direction of the program & wanted a new coach. And frankly just like Cronin. UC fans & admin always complained he couldn't/wouldn't recruit & couldn't win in the tourney so they didn't show the needed support to keep him. Hope Miller wins (but not too big) or it will likely be Rd 3 of as the coaching world turns at UC. It's just that Miller is already well-respected in the cooler BB world so it will be much tougher to say hirng him was a mistake.

Let's be clear, as someone who had only minor issues with on court performance the past two years, the issue UC had with Brannen had much less to do with his winning or recruiting (which I actually thought was pretty solid), and 100% had to do with his toxic personality and his poisoning of the personnel in the program.

Exactly. I mostly had Brannen's back as far as the on court stuff. I think he understands the game and I think he identified and brought in quality players his first 2 offseasons. The bottom line is it was the other stuff that got him canned.