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(04-09-2021 03:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Thank the Lord! Let's move on and get the mag wheels back on the hoops program. I know this took longer than we wanted but it ended today. That's all that matters.

HEY JC! There's a coach down here in North Carolina that deserves an interview if you're reading this...

Not too shabby!

(04-15-2021 01:21 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 11:02 PM)ZCat Wrote:  Haven't had a chance to post in a while:

I still felt yr 1 players did not complain, and yr 2 they played HARD and won on the road post COVID with a depleted roster (against a below avg team I Know). I saw so much enthusiasm from MM and MS, etc on the bench, so I still feel like something is not adding up. Someone on another board said something interesting: that Coach JB ticked off some VIP, and the player defections/practices were used as an excuse to show him the door. This makes more sense.

I mean it may be that people wanted him gone, but it still doesn't change the fact that half his team transferred away despite you seeing enthusiasm on the bench. Unless you're saying that the VIP had something to do with them transferring.

Sorry for the confusion. No I’m not saying that some very important people were involved the transfers. It just seemed like the players were having so much fun and playing so hard on the court. Something still doesn’t add up. But you’re right- a bunch of people did transfer out. Even MS Who knew coaches in seventh grade.

My point was I read some VIP (plural -I think) were ticked off by coach and they used the player defections as an excuse to get rid of him. Who knows? Will be interesting to find out one day but seems like we have a better coach now so let’s go!

(04-16-2021 03:36 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-09-2021 03:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Thank the Lord! Let's move on and get the mag wheels back on the hoops program. I know this took longer than we wanted but it ended today. That's all that matters.

HEY JC! There's a coach down here in North Carolina that deserves an interview if you're reading this...

Not too shabby!

At least in that pic he does resemble David Pollock.

(04-19-2021 05:28 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

...so they're still saying nothing.

(04-19-2021 05:28 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

I agree completely

https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/492712700...ssion=true

Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

(05-03-2021 04:25 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/492712700...ssion=true

Now that is how you say “no soup for you” in a letter.

He ain't going to sniff $5M in a settlement. Again, John Cunningham did his homework. JB was reprimanded and did not improve upon the situation including an allegation of improper benefits to a player. There is a clear written record [paper trail] of the violations. See ya...wouldn't want to be ya.

(05-03-2021 05:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

UC does not have the reputation as one to play hard-ball on these civil matters. In fact the reputation is the opposite. JB should have taken the money- once the written discovery starts flying and depositions get taken, his dirty laundry will be aired.

I get he is fighting for the $5M he believes he is owed, even if he wins the battle he may ultimately lose the war. He probably won’t be hirable for several years until all is forgotten.

If he wants to be a head coach again a quick settlement would be so much better for him.

(05-03-2021 06:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

UC does not have the reputation as one to play hard-ball on these civil matters. In fact the reputation is the opposite. JB should have taken the money- once the written discovery starts flying and depositions get taken, his dirty laundry will be aired.

I get he is fighting for the $5M he believes he is owed, even if he wins the battle he may ultimately lose the war. He probably won’t be hirable for several years until all is forgotten.

Would he have been employable as an HC if he had taken the money? Strictly my opinion, but the time table for him is roughly the same whether he settled quietly or went to the mat with Cincy. As much as everybody wants this to go away, he's doing the right thing for his interests.

(05-03-2021 04:25 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/492712700...ssion=true

So this letter contains language that indicates that Coach Brannen committed an NCAA violation. How does that affect UC. This is obviously not Show Cause level otherwise this matter would have been settled already. How does this affect Cincy since UC is basically admitting, in writing, that violations occurred?

(05-03-2021 06:53 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

UC does not have the reputation as one to play hard-ball on these civil matters. In fact the reputation is the opposite. JB should have taken the money- once the written discovery starts flying and depositions get taken, his dirty laundry will be aired.

I get he is fighting for the $5M he believes he is owed, even if he wins the battle he may ultimately lose the war. He probably won’t be hirable for several years until all is forgotten.

Would he have been employable as an HC if he had taken the money? Strictly my opinion, but the time table for him is roughly the same whether he settled quietly or went to the mat with Cincy. As much as everybody wants this to go away, he's doing the right thing for his interests.

Yes. The difference being the longer this draws out, the more dirty laundry will be aired out about him. If he had taken the money several weeks ago, there would have been confidentiality and non-disparagement clauses agreed to. People who have just assumed the coach parted ways and would not have read anything further into it.

I'm glad Brannen is no longer coaching the Bearcats.

(05-03-2021 07:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:53 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

UC does not have the reputation as one to play hard-ball on these civil matters. In fact the reputation is the opposite. JB should have taken the money- once the written discovery starts flying and depositions get taken, his dirty laundry will be aired.

I get he is fighting for the $5M he believes he is owed, even if he wins the battle he may ultimately lose the war. He probably won’t be hirable for several years until all is forgotten.

Would he have been employable as an HC if he had taken the money? Strictly my opinion, but the time table for him is roughly the same whether he settled quietly or went to the mat with Cincy. As much as everybody wants this to go away, he's doing the right thing for his interests.

Yes. The difference being the longer this draws out, the more dirty laundry will be aired out about him. If he had taken the money several weeks ago, there would have been confidentiality and non-disparagement clauses agreed to. People who have just assumed the coach parted ways and would not have read anything further into it.

I tend to agree with eroc here. I don't think people hiring head coaches would have just shrugged about Brannen's leaving after year 2 when his players mutinied. He's probably better off fighting at this point.

(05-03-2021 07:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:53 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

UC does not have the reputation as one to play hard-ball on these civil matters. In fact the reputation is the opposite. JB should have taken the money- once the written discovery starts flying and depositions get taken, his dirty laundry will be aired.

I get he is fighting for the $5M he believes he is owed, even if he wins the battle he may ultimately lose the war. He probably won’t be hirable for several years until all is forgotten.

Would he have been employable as an HC if he had taken the money? Strictly my opinion, but the time table for him is roughly the same whether he settled quietly or went to the mat with Cincy. As much as everybody wants this to go away, he's doing the right thing for his interests.

Yes. The difference being the longer this draws out, the more dirty laundry will be aired out about him. If he had taken the money several weeks ago, there would have been confidentiality and non-disparagement clauses agreed to. People who have just assumed the coach parted ways and would not have read anything further into it.

Perhaps i'm being naive but the reality is that regardless, Cincy would likely have to stay quiet related to John Brannen if future employers came calling for fear of additional litigation. They would have likely disclosed what we all already know about him but nothing more.

i apologize if i'm misreading your post, but it seems that you are assuming that if/when items come out, they will only hurt Coach Brannen. Undoubtedly it won't help him, but is it also possible that items may come out that would hurt Cincy? is it not at all curious that the investigation, at least to my knowledge, is still not closed?

(05-03-2021 07:26 PM)levydl Wrote:  I tend to agree with eroc here. I don't think people hiring head coaches would have just shrugged about Brannen's leaving after year 2 when his players mutinied. He's probably better off fighting at this point.

There are a lot of short memories when it comes to coaches and whatever issues they had. He's still two years removed from a great stint at nku. People might not have hired him this year but if he let this thing go quietly he'd be in line for another opportunity somewhere to work his way back up. He may put that risk the more public things get.

(05-03-2021 07:33 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 07:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:53 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 06:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Also sounds like Cunningham quietly began taking action prior to the season as this was getting to his desk including a letter of reprimand.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. If Brannen doesn't settle soon were all but certain to get more from both sides as freedom of information requests get results and litigation gets moving.

UC does not have the reputation as one to play hard-ball on these civil matters. In fact the reputation is the opposite. JB should have taken the money- once the written discovery starts flying and depositions get taken, his dirty laundry will be aired.

I get he is fighting for the $5M he believes he is owed, even if he wins the battle he may ultimately lose the war. He probably won’t be hirable for several years until all is forgotten.

Would he have been employable as an HC if he had taken the money? Strictly my opinion, but the time table for him is roughly the same whether he settled quietly or went to the mat with Cincy. As much as everybody wants this to go away, he's doing the right thing for his interests.

Yes. The difference being the longer this draws out, the more dirty laundry will be aired out about him. If he had taken the money several weeks ago, there would have been confidentiality and non-disparagement clauses agreed to. People who have just assumed the coach parted ways and would not have read anything further into it.

Perhaps i'm being naive but the reality is that regardless, Cincy would likely have to stay quiet related to John Brannen if future employers came calling for fear of additional litigation. They would have likely disclosed what we all already know about him but nothing more.

i apologize if i'm misreading your post, but it seems that you are assuming that if/when items come out, they will only hurt Coach Brannen. Undoubtedly it won't help him, but is it also possible that items may come out that would hurt Cincy? is it not at all curious that the investigation, at least to my knowledge, is still not closed?

A lawsuit is going to be filed eventually. Unless put under seal, the media will get their hands on the discovery one way or the other.

If the case goes to trial everything will definitely become fair game. JB has more at risk here. If UC is wrong then big deal, they pay money but they will still be UC.* If JB is wrong he could jeopardize his entire future.

* Regarding the money, people have assumed the money to pay for a defense and a settlement will come from UC's athletic budget. They pay premiums for insurance coverage for this sort of stuff. They may have a deductible or are self-insured up to a certain amount, but the balance will come from an Employment Practice Liability policy.