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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
The D2 SIAC just started sponsoring men's volleyball.

That sport would probably cheaper to get up and running than soccer if the Southland loses another football school
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(04-27-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The D2 SIAC just started sponsoring men's volleyball.

That sport would probably cheaper to get up and running than soccer if the Southland loses another football school

Each of the six schools received a gift of $150,000 to start the sport and the SIAC was gifted $100,000.

First Point Volleyball Foundation and USA Volleyball Makes a $1 Million Investment to SIAC Member Institutions
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
Does anyone who is knowledgeable of the situation think there’s a chance that the 5 LA schools might consider dropping to D2 as a group?
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-27-2021 06:08 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The D2 SIAC just started sponsoring men's volleyball.

That sport would probably cheaper to get up and running than soccer if the Southland loses another football school

Each of the six schools received a gift of $150,000 to start the sport and the SIAC was gifted $100,000.

First Point Volleyball Foundation and USA Volleyball Makes a $1 Million Investment to SIAC Member Institutions

Is this intended to suggest volleyball isn't cheaper to start up than soccer, or intended to confirm that it is?

Of course, for the schools that already have soccer, sponsoring soccer is the cheaper option, and it is likely the recruiting is easier in soccer as well.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

What if we spent 5 minutes of background research on schools and conferences before posting and not spitball what-if's that have 0% chance of happening?
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-27-2021 10:43 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 06:08 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The D2 SIAC just started sponsoring men's volleyball.

That sport would probably cheaper to get up and running than soccer if the Southland loses another football school

Each of the six schools received a gift of $150,000 to start the sport and the SIAC was gifted $100,000.

First Point Volleyball Foundation and USA Volleyball Makes a $1 Million Investment to SIAC Member Institutions

Is this intended to suggest volleyball isn't cheaper to start up than soccer, or intended to confirm that it is?

Of course, for the schools that already have soccer, sponsoring soccer is the cheaper option, and it is likely the recruiting is easier in soccer as well.

No, just stating what happened. Another D2 school received $10,000 and a D1 school received $100,000 from the same foundation to start men's volleyball.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-28-2021 09:56 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

What if we spent 5 minutes of background research on schools and conferences before posting and not spitball what-if's that have 0% chance of happening?

Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-28-2021 11:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:56 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

What if we spent 5 minutes of background research on schools and conferences before posting and not spitball what-if's that have 0% chance of happening?

Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.

A good idea for who? Why go through the hoops to do that when you end up with the same number of football teams? Besides, if you had done a quick scan of other threads you'd see that just about everyone agrees that no SWACs are going to join a non HBCU conference.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

Why would the Southland let Incarnate Word move football out of the Southland?
Why would Incarnate Word want to split sports between the WAC and Southland?
Why would the WAC want UIW as a football only member--Ok, because they're scrambling for an 8th football school (and/or 7th Texas member, 14th member)
Why would anyone go from the SWAC to the Southland?

(04-28-2021 11:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:56 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

What if we spent 5 minutes of background research on schools and conferences before posting and not spitball what-if's that have 0% chance of happening?

Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.

I haven't done much research, but it seems like not a good idea at first glance.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-28-2021 12:14 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 11:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:56 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

What if we spent 5 minutes of background research on schools and conferences before posting and not spitball what-if's that have 0% chance of happening?

Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.

A good idea for who? Why go through the hoops to do that when you end up with the same number of football teams? Besides, if you had done a quick scan of other threads you'd see that just about everyone agrees that no SWACs are going to join a non HBCU conference.

You may be right, no SWAC teams will go to the Southland even for 1 sport. But the 2 schools I mentioned just might have some Louisiana loyalty. And if the WAC needs 1 more Div 1 for football and the Southland needs 1 more Div 1 for football to stay alive it just might suit both. This way no conference is killed off.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
(04-28-2021 11:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:56 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

What if we spent 5 minutes of background research on schools and conferences before posting and not spitball what-if's that have 0% chance of happening?

Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.

Let's take known bullet points:

- SWAC members wouldn't join the Southland *when they had the Texas-4*. Now they'll join a Southland *without* the Texas-4?

- The SWAC hasn't lost a school in 50 years, and that was a school who dropped down a level (Arkansas AM&N) to later return. The SWAC hasn't lost a school to a lateral or higher conference...in its entire history. Now 2 schools will just head out the door to the most crippled iteration of a bottom-rung Southland hanging on by a thread?

- You're suggesting Grambling/Southern stay in the Southland for all sports...but leave for Football? The SWAC's entire identity and culture, which is the basis for the league's century-plus stability as one of the 3-4 oldest leagues, is on the basis of HBCU football. Why would schools voluntarily ditch the SWAC in a lateral-at-best move for *the sport the league's entire value is tied into* but leave everything else parked there?

- Why would Grambling/Southern leave behind 50-100 year old HBCU rivalries for Southland football? Remember the Southern/FAMU rivalry which once ran for 50+ consecutive years and determined several Black National Championships? That just got revived this fall as a protected crossover. How about the rivalries with Jackson St, Alcorn St, etc?

Why would Grambling/Southern willingly sacrifice this disparity in gameday revenue and alumni engagement:

SWAC 15,266 avg
SLC 6,083 avg
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(04-28-2021 11:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.

If you had done any research, you would know the UIW putting football in the WAC and keeping the rest of the sports in the Southland is a violation of the league's by-laws. Some of us may call it the "ULM Provision" from when Monroe was an affiliate football member of Sun Belt and all the other sports were Southland
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(04-28-2021 12:48 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 11:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  Excuse me, but I thought it was a good idea and I had done some research.

If you had done any research, you would know the UIW putting football in the WAC and keeping the rest of the sports in the Southland is a violation of the league's by-laws. Some of us may call it the "ULM Provision" from when Monroe was an affiliate football member of Sun Belt and all the other sports were Southland

In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.
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RE: What is the future of the Southland Conference?
So long as the SLC sponsors FCS football as one of it's core sports, members with FCS football are obliged to play in the conference. Same applies for any other sponsored sport. Since the SLC has 6 qualifying schools and UIW is a member of the SLC playing football, they cannot take their football elsewhere.

Now if FCS football collapses for the the SLC, that is falls below 6 football members losing it's status as an NCAA recognized counting sport for the conference, members would be free to attach football to another conference to gain access to a potential football AQ. It's pretty much the same for all sports.

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The most likely reality is SLC schools will probably play 5 conference games, a revenue game at an FBS school, host a D-II school, and play 4 FCS non conference games. The WAC has a bunch of schools that will also need 3 non conference FCS games, so you'll likley see a couple games on the schedule against each other for nearly all the schools. Hard feelings aside, they need each other.
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(04-28-2021 12:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.

Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members
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(04-28-2021 05:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.

Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members

Is it OK for the SLC to invite a football only member from another league?
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(04-28-2021 06:47 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 05:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.

Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members

Is it OK for the SLC to invite a football only member from another league?

Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff
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(04-28-2021 06:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 06:47 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 05:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.

Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members

Is it OK for the SLC to invite a football only member from another league?

Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff

Or Navy 07-coffee3
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(04-28-2021 10:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 06:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff

Or Navy 07-coffee3

Or Army.

The precise question is why would a league that sponsors FCS football allow a school to play FCS football in a different conference?

Navy and Army can't play their football in the Patriot league, since the Patriot league sponsors FCS Football and they play FBS Football. The notable exception to a conference sponsoring the football played by a member while the member does not play football in the conference is Notre Dame ...

... and even for Notre Dame, the agreement is that if they do join a conference for football, they will join the ACC. So not even Notre Dame is allowed to join a different conference when their conference sponsors the football that they play.
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