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RE: Extortion... make the A5 pay more money
It would not be every thing that G5 conferences want but the threat of a law suit would get some good results for the G5.
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(04-22-2021 08:45 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:10 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 07:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 06:19 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  at least jed clampet understands me...

This is def. a candidate for addition to my sig.. Classic.

i don’t know what this means...^^^
jed and i think alike...we see the writing on the wall... and we don’t like it

It's snark, but from the tone and quality of his writing, I'm guessing that he's about 15 years old, so not to worry. He's been blasted repeatedly by the moderators, and I put him on my ignore list weeks ago.

I'm 53 with a Masters in Architecture, I write better than 90% of the public, and I could write rings around you, my friend. "My tone" is gregarious and playful, because this is a message board. It is not the floor of the Senate. As far as me having been "blasted by the moderators", again, I will put my "warning level" percentage up against anyone on this board - including you.

As far as what my post meant, I thought it looked funny when taken out of context, which is what would be the case for anyone reading my signature in the future not familiar with this particular thread.

Now, go type some more periods with no apparent reason other than to space your post out and waste space.
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RE: Extortion... make the A5 pay more money
(04-22-2021 09:23 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  It would not be every thing that G5 conferences want but the threat of a law suit would get some good results for the G5.

That's right, and until they get to the point of banding together and sticking up for themselves, they're going to keep on getting victimized.

Moreover, the threat of a law suit (or lawsuits) isn't just a one-time thing. It is a tool that can be taken out of the tool kit and used whenever it is needed.

The point isn't to actually drag the P5 through a major lawsuit unless it's absolutely necessary. It would be best used as a threat - - as a way of preventing unfair treatment and getting fairer treatment going forward.

Such threats can be effective, because the last thing the P5s want is a messy lawsuit that would draw the public's attention to their unfair, corrupt, and unsportsmanlike pattern of behavior (it wouldn't be good for their viewership numbers).

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(04-22-2021 09:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:45 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:10 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 07:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 06:19 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  at least jed clampet understands me...

This is def. a candidate for addition to my sig.. Classic.

i don’t know what this means...^^^
jed and i think alike...we see the writing on the wall... and we don’t like it

It's snark, but from the tone and quality of his writing, I'm guessing that he's about 15 years old, so not to worry. He's been blasted repeatedly by the moderators, and I put him on my ignore list weeks ago.

I'm 53 with a Masters in Architecture, I write better than 90% of the public, and I could write rings around you, my friend. "My tone" is gregarious and playful, because this is a message board. It is not the floor of the Senate. As far as me having been "blasted by the moderators", again, I will put my "warning level" percentage up against anyone on this board - including you.

As far as what my post meant, I thought it looked funny when taken out of context, which is what would be the case for anyone reading my signature in the future not familiar with this particular thread.

Now, go type some more periods with no apparent reason other than to space your post out and waste space.

ok frank lloyd righteous, you just need to stop being the teatherd monkey to the hurty gurty man looking for two bits with your simeine hand and set yourself free to the realitys of what we have today... wake up and smell the future
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I guess I dont get it. If we volunteer to leave----essentially giving the P5 what they want (a league of their own and a playoff that never has to even "appear" to include the G5)---why would they pay us more to stay? Its like San Jose State telling the Mountain West they are leaving unless they get the same special TV deal as Boise. The Mountain West would say "bye" and be literally giddy over their good fortune.
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simple, the current situation is not static, the circle jerk that all you people posters here talk about money and fan attendance is missing the big picture
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college football is at 130 teams and needs to split into two leagues, it’s just that the g5 needs a network to pony up the money, the up and coming Trump network just might do it... my fingers are crossed
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(04-22-2021 03:43 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  They will laugh

mybe but nothing to lose, Aresco needs to play hard ball...

He could hold a gun to his own head like Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles.
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(04-22-2021 11:38 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:43 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  They will laugh

mybe but nothing to lose, Aresco needs to play hard ball...

He could hold a gun to his own head like Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles.

grow up
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(04-22-2021 11:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I guess I dont get it. If we volunteer to leave----essentially giving the P5 what they want (a league of their own and a playoff that never has to even "appear" to include the G5)---why would they pay us more to stay? Its like San Jose State telling the Mountain West they are leaving unless they get the same special TV deal as Boise. The Mountain West would say "bye" and be literally giddy over their good fortune.


It's true that the simplistic idea that "volunteering to leave" would get the G5 anywhere is pretty absurd, if anyone actually proposed that as a strategy.

No one is going to "pay the non-P5 conferences more to stay," but if the G5 were to unite as a group - - needless to say - - that wouldn't come close to describing their strategy.

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They don't even have to start out by doing anything other than making it clear that they are organizing into an entity, and are planning to be coordinating their decision-making going forward, much like the P5 cartel.

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From there, it would take years of coordinated action before they could make significant progress, but united they could stand, and divided, they will fall. Divided, they have been falling.

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(04-22-2021 11:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  college football is at 130 teams and needs to split into two leagues, it’s just that the g5 needs a network to pony up the money, the up and coming Trump network just might do it... my fingers are crossed

Let's put it this way:

There are about 130 FBS schools; half are in a cartel known as the "P5."

The other 65 FBS schools are split into 5 conferences and a group of independents.

They need to form their own cartel - - not a "league per se," but a cartel, although it could have a name.

Until they band together, they will continue to be as "screwed" as they have been for the past 7-8 years.

Banding together won't solve the problem, in and of itself, but it is a necessary first step.

Once they band together, they can begin to get somewhere...

.

...with one exception:

The AAC could get somewhere if it finally grows a pair and gets serious about expanding to 14.

Q: Is that likely to happen?

A: If it were likely, it already would have happened by now.

.

Another way to put it is this:

A lot of AAC fans are disenchanted with the failure of the AAC leadership to take direct action to move toward power conference status.

Many of these fans don't even believe that the AAC is serious about trying to become a power conference.

If the AAC doesn't take direct action toward becoming a power conference soon, a lot of AAC fans are going to consider the other possibilities, which could include trying to boost the conference by working together with the fans of the other G5 conferences and the FBS independents to take action.


The AAC can't take their fans for granted for too much longer. More and more AAC fans are starting to become cynical about their purported "strategy," and are starting to look for other ways to move the conference toward autonomous/power conference status. whether independently or in collaboration with the other non-P5 FBS schools.

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(04-22-2021 06:19 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i stand by my reposted statement

if we could find a way to squeeze more money from the A5 and espin it would be great, be a BIG thorn in their side, make them as uncomfortable as possible

mybe sue them in court , whatever, Aresco needs to do it and stop being a tool...

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(04-22-2021 11:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I guess I dont get it. If we volunteer to leave----essentially giving the P5 what they want (a league of their own and a playoff that never has to even "appear" to include the G5)---why would they pay us more to stay? Its like San Jose State telling the Mountain West they are leaving unless they get the same special TV deal as Boise. The Mountain West would say "bye" and be literally giddy over their good fortune.

This guy gets it ^^^
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(04-23-2021 12:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  The AAC can't take their fans for granted for too much longer. More and more AAC fans are starting to become cynical about their purported "strategy," and are starting to look for other ways to move the conference toward autonomous/power conference status. whether independently or in collaboration with the other non-P5 FBS schools.

Short of jumping to P5 team to root for/support, there is nothing the average AAC fan can do. This is just a message board. I actually e-mailed Aresco about a week ago a question regarding the legalities of inviting SDSU (because they reside in California). That's something 99% of fans would not do. Do you really think I'm gonna get a response? If I can't even communicate both ways with the commissioner, what chance do we as fans have to affect any change?
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(04-23-2021 12:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 11:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  college football is at 130 teams and needs to split into two leagues, it’s just that the g5 needs a network to pony up the money, the up and coming Trump network just might do it... my fingers are crossed

Let's put it this way:

There are about 130 FBS schools; half are in a cartel known as the "P5."

The other 65 FBS schools are split into 5 conferences and a group of independents.

They need to form their own cartel - - not a "league per se," but a cartel, although it could have a name.

Until they band together, they will continue to be as "screwed" as they have been for the past 7-8 years.

Banding together won't solve the problem, in and of itself, but it is a necessary first step.

Once they band together, they can begin to get somewhere...

.

...with one exception:

The AAC could get somewhere if it finally grows a pair and gets serious about expanding to 14.

Q: Is that likely to happen?

A: If it were likely, it already would have happened by now.

.

Another way to put it is this:

A lot of AAC fans are disenchanted with the failure of the AAC leadership to take direct action to move toward power conference status.

Many of these fans don't even believe that the AAC is serious about trying to become a power conference.

If the AAC doesn't take direct action toward becoming a power conference soon, a lot of AAC fans are going to consider the other possibilities, which could include trying to boost the conference by working together with the fans of the other G5 conferences and the FBS independents to take action.


The AAC can't take their fans for granted for too much longer. More and more AAC fans are starting to become cynical about their purported "strategy," and are starting to look for other ways to move the conference toward autonomous/power conference status. whether independently or in collaboration with the other non-P5 FBS schools.

.

I can assure you this is the exact opposite of the AAC strategy. The AAC believes it’s best route to success is separating the AAC from the rest of the G5—not joining with the G5 in a cartel that could result in the AAC being permanently chained to the rest of the G5 in a new “FCS” division.

The reality is the public cares a great deal about who is the best college football team in the nation—thus the P5 championship will lose some interest as 65 fan bases leave the top division—but the P5 division will be fine retaining most of the general public’s interest. Sadly, the G5 “FCS” division will be viewed as a lesser division, thus, their games and championship will be viewed as the race to see who is the 66th best team in the nation---and the 66th best doesnt really command a lot of interest. Nobody will care about the G5 “FCS” but the fans of the schools playing—-just like the general public has little interest right now about FCS games or the FCS playoff. You have to be in the top division of college football to matter. We need more access and inclusion in that top level—not more separation.
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(04-22-2021 09:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:45 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:10 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 07:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 06:19 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  at least jed clampet understands me...

This is def. a candidate for addition to my sig.. Classic.

i don’t know what this means...^^^
jed and i think alike...we see the writing on the wall... and we don’t like it

It's snark, but from the tone and quality of his writing, I'm guessing that he's about 15 years old, so not to worry. He's been blasted repeatedly by the moderators, and I put him on my ignore list weeks ago.

I'm 53 with a Masters in Architecture, I write better than 90% of the public, and I could write rings around you, my friend. "My tone" is gregarious and playful, because this is a message board. It is not the floor of the Senate. As far as me having been "blasted by the moderators", again, I will put my "warning level" percentage up against anyone on this board - including you.

As far as what my post meant, I thought it looked funny when taken out of context, which is what would be the case for anyone reading my signature in the future not familiar with this particular thread.

Now, go type some more periods with no apparent reason other than to space your post out and waste space.


Hey don’t get mad at him he is just trying to imitate his hero Todge Rodge.


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(04-23-2021 12:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:45 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 08:10 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 07:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  This is def. a candidate for addition to my sig.. Classic.

i don’t know what this means...^^^
jed and i think alike...we see the writing on the wall... and we don’t like it

It's snark, but from the tone and quality of his writing, I'm guessing that he's about 15 years old, so not to worry. He's been blasted repeatedly by the moderators, and I put him on my ignore list weeks ago.

I'm 53 with a Masters in Architecture, I write better than 90% of the public, and I could write rings around you, my friend. "My tone" is gregarious and playful, because this is a message board. It is not the floor of the Senate. As far as me having been "blasted by the moderators", again, I will put my "warning level" percentage up against anyone on this board - including you.

As far as what my post meant, I thought it looked funny when taken out of context, which is what would be the case for anyone reading my signature in the future not familiar with this particular thread.

Now, go type some more periods with no apparent reason other than to space your post out and waste space.


Hey don’t get mad at him he is just trying to imitate his hero Todge Rodge.

Oh, I know he's just trying to troll me. I love how he says he's "got me ignore", yet he responds with that statement right after I post something.

And to think... I was the one who suggested he use a pic of the actual Jed Clampett for his avatar when he first joined. YOU'RE WELCOME....
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(04-23-2021 12:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-23-2021 12:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 11:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  college football is at 130 teams and needs to split into two leagues, it’s just that the g5 needs a network to pony up the money, the up and coming Trump network just might do it... my fingers are crossed

Let's put it this way:

There are about 130 FBS schools; half are in a cartel known as the "P5."

The other 65 FBS schools are split into 5 conferences and a group of independents.

They need to form their own cartel - - not a "league per se," but a cartel, although it could have a name.

Until they band together, they will continue to be as "screwed" as they have been for the past 7-8 years.

Banding together won't solve the problem, in and of itself, but it is a necessary first step.

Once they band together, they can begin to get somewhere...

.

...with one exception:

The AAC could get somewhere if it finally grows a pair and gets serious about expanding to 14.

Q: Is that likely to happen?

A: If it were likely, it already would have happened by now.

.

Another way to put it is this:

A lot of AAC fans are disenchanted with the failure of the AAC leadership to take direct action to move toward power conference status.

Many of these fans don't even believe that the AAC is serious about trying to become a power conference.

If the AAC doesn't take direct action toward becoming a power conference soon, a lot of AAC fans are going to consider the other possibilities, which could include trying to boost the conference by working together with the fans of the other G5 conferences and the FBS independents to take action.


The AAC can't take their fans for granted for too much longer. More and more AAC fans are starting to become cynical about their purported "strategy," and are starting to look for other ways to move the conference toward autonomous/power conference status. whether independently or in collaboration with the other non-P5 FBS schools.

.

I can assure you this is the exact opposite of the AAC strategy. The AAC believes it’s best route to success is separating the AAC from the rest of the G5—not joining with the G5 in a cartel that could result in the AAC being permanently chained to the rest of the G5 in a new “FCS” division.

The reality is the public cares a great deal about who is the best college football team in the nation—thus the P5 championship will lose some interest as 65 fan bases leave the top division—but the P5 division will be fine retaining most of the general public’s interest. Sadly, the G5 “FCS” division will be viewed as a lesser division, thus, their games and championship will be viewed as the race to see who is the 66th best team in the nation---and the 66th best doesnt really command a lot of interest. Nobody will care about the G5 “FCS” but the fans of the schools playing—-just like the general public has little interest right now about FCS games or the FCS playoff. You have to be in the top division of college football to matter. We need more access andes inclusion in that top level—not more separation.
the reality is you have no confidence in a g5 league and championship, what is true is that there are questions as to the success of a g5 league viewed as top level FBS, questions that can only be answered when it fails or succeeds
one thing is for sure, you say “FCS” way too much
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While theoretically this banding together and working towards a common goal sounds spectacular and could create some band width, The practicality is that there is no way any one person or even group of people can get all 65 schools on the same page.

It must be a herculean task just to get all of the schools in a single conference on the same page. Some commissioners are able to do it and others can not.

I would suggest addressing the things you can control. Find ways to make your conference more valuable to the TV Networks. Only then, as your value increases will other conferences (P5 in this case) even look at taking you seriously about anything. If the people paying them money take you seriously then they will take you seriously.

So... How do you increase your value to the networks? There in lies the debate.

While I like the Idea of everyone banding together "forming a union" and threatening management with a strike... I don't think it can be done. Too many strike breakers that need to feed their families.
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(04-23-2021 05:29 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(04-23-2021 12:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-23-2021 12:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 11:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  college football is at 130 teams and needs to split into two leagues, it’s just that the g5 needs a network to pony up the money, the up and coming Trump network just might do it... my fingers are crossed

Let's put it this way:

There are about 130 FBS schools; half are in a cartel known as the "P5."

The other 65 FBS schools are split into 5 conferences and a group of independents.

They need to form their own cartel - - not a "league per se," but a cartel, although it could have a name.

Until they band together, they will continue to be as "screwed" as they have been for the past 7-8 years.

Banding together won't solve the problem, in and of itself, but it is a necessary first step.

Once they band together, they can begin to get somewhere...

.

...with one exception:

The AAC could get somewhere if it finally grows a pair and gets serious about expanding to 14.

Q: Is that likely to happen?

A: If it were likely, it already would have happened by now.

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Another way to put it is this:

A lot of AAC fans are disenchanted with the failure of the AAC leadership to take direct action to move toward power conference status.

Many of these fans don't even believe that the AAC is serious about trying to become a power conference.

If the AAC doesn't take direct action toward becoming a power conference soon, a lot of AAC fans are going to consider the other possibilities, which could include trying to boost the conference by working together with the fans of the other G5 conferences and the FBS independents to take action.


The AAC can't take their fans for granted for too much longer. More and more AAC fans are starting to become cynical about their purported "strategy," and are starting to look for other ways to move the conference toward autonomous/power conference status. whether independently or in collaboration with the other non-P5 FBS schools.

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I can assure you this is the exact opposite of the AAC strategy. The AAC believes it’s best route to success is separating the AAC from the rest of the G5—not joining with the G5 in a cartel that could result in the AAC being permanently chained to the rest of the G5 in a new “FCS” division.

The reality is the public cares a great deal about who is the best college football team in the nation—thus the P5 championship will lose some interest as 65 fan bases leave the top division—but the P5 division will be fine retaining most of the general public’s interest. Sadly, the G5 “FCS” division will be viewed as a lesser division, thus, their games and championship will be viewed as the race to see who is the 66th best team in the nation---and the 66th best doesnt really command a lot of interest. Nobody will care about the G5 “FCS” but the fans of the schools playing—-just like the general public has little interest right now about FCS games or the FCS playoff. You have to be in the top division of college football to matter. We need more access andes inclusion in that top level—not more separation.
the reality is you have no confidence in a g5 league and championship, what is true is that there are questions as to the success of a g5 league viewed as top level FBS, questions that can only be answered when it fails or succeeds
one thing is for sure, you say “FCS” way too much

lol----That may be the first point you have made in this thread where there actually is total agreement between us. 04-cheers
(This post was last modified: 04-23-2021 07:31 PM by Attackcoog.)
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