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RE: Hiring the next hoops coach
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(04-14-2021 03:09 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I wouldn't touch Wes Miller with a 30 foot pole. He has not spent one second recruiting at the high major level.

I don't suppose UC is a high major program anymore. Salary range that is rumored to have been discussed with Martin is 1.1 to 1.5, which is about a million short of where the salary needs to be. These candidates are nobody that any "other" high major program would consider. Archie Miller? Bryce Drew? Frank Martin? The top assistant at Baylor, whatever his name is? If you are a serious Bearcat fan and thought you'd be cheering on a squad led by one of those guys this fall, it looks like the joke is going to be on you.

Minnesota just hired a Xavier assistant coach as their head coach.
UNC just hired their own assistant coach.
Boston College just hired the head coach from College of Charleston
Depaul just hired an assistant from Oregon
Iowa State just hired a coach who was 29-30 at UNLV
Texas Tech just hired their own assistnat coach.
Utah Just hired the Utah State head coach.

The elite programs can often pull from a different pool of candidates but UC's candidates are absolutely in line with where most high majors look.

Private schools don't usually disclose contract terms, but from what I'm seeing on some quick Google searches, all of the public school guys above will be paid in the $1.5-2 million range to start. Hubert Davis, in particular, has a lot of performance-based incentives that could bring his salary higher. That makes sense, as UNC is a top-3 job in college basketball.

Those schools all have a lot more money than we do, and we're paying our football coach a ton right now. Mick made over $2 million per year, but he was an established coach. It would be nice if we could afford more, but that's life in the AAC. I'm not sure bumping up from the $1.1-$1.5 million range to $2 million would find us a much better coach.

We'd need to pay a lot more than we can afford to bring in an established high-major coach, and even then, I can't think of many successful guys who would leave the situation they're in now to come to UC. If the next guy is successful here, he'll get a mid-contract extension with a nice pay bump.
 
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Good article on Wes while he was a candidate for the UNC job...

Quote:UNCG’s Wes Miller might not be the next men’s basketball coach at North Carolina, but he will be part of the conversation. The former Tar Heels player has earned his spot at the “family” table with five straight 20-win seasons and with two NCAA Tournament appearances in the last five years with the Spartans.

Miller’s name has been mentioned in recent years as a potential successor to Roy Williams when the Tar Heels coach eventually decided to retire. Eventually came sooner than some expected when Williams announced his decision Thursday to step down after 18 years at UNC.

Three of those years were spent coaching Miller, including a 2004-05 season that ended with a national championship for the Tar Heels.

What makes Wes Miller a contender for one of the premier jobs in college basketball at the age of 38? First, and maybe foremost, he’s a part of the Carolina family as a former player and as a Williams protégé.

The Greensboro native transferred from James Madison to UNC after one year with the stated intention of becoming a college basketball coach and learning as much as he could from Williams.

“I always wanted to coach, and so I had this incredible experience playing for a Hall of Fame coach. … What makes him different, to me, is that I didn’t just learn because I was there but because he embraced that I wanted to coach while I was playing,” Miller added. “And he’s embraced that ever since I got done playing.”

Miller, for his part, has embraced the Carolina Way as taught by Williams. That’s one thing that could make a coaching transition to Miller relatively smooth.

Miller’s UNCG program values defense first and his teams share the ball, run and pressure opponents. That sounds a lot like the Tar Heels under Williams, doesn’t it? Miller also has shown an ability to adapt the Spartans’ playing style to his personnel and a willingness to embrace analytics and the 3-point shot.

It took a few years for Miller to grow from an assistant who took over as interim head coach when Mike Dement resigned in December 2011. The Spartans’ record after his first five seasons was 60-92 overall and 39-46 in the Southern Conference. Since then, Miller’s teams have gone 125-43 overall and 70-20 in the league with two NCAA appearances and two NITs.

One of the sayings Miller has posted prominently on the wall is that UNCG is a “growth program.” He has the numbers to back it up.

Something that Miller’s Spartans haven’t done consistently and that he would have to do nearly every night as North Carolina’s coach is beat teams from Power 5 conferences. In the last five seasons, UNCG is 1-10 against teams from the nation’s top five leagues, including 1-7 against ACC teams.

It’s obviously harder to beat ACC teams with SoCon players, and Miller’s Spartans have pushed such national programs as Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky and Florida State on the road or on neutral courts. But to compete in the ACC, you have to recruit ACC-caliber talent.

Miller has had some outstanding players, including two-time SoCon player of the year and three-time defensive player of the year Isaiah Miller, but they have typically been under-the-radar recruits who have developed in the Spartans program. Miller would not only be expected to develop players in Chapel Hill, he would be tasked with bringing four- and even five-star recruits into the program. That’s what’s required to compete in a league where Duke, Louisville, North Carolina and Virginia have won the NCAA championship in the last nine years.

Could he do it? That’s a question that can’t be answered unless he gets the job.

But Wes Miller checks a lot of boxes as a potential successor to Roy Williams as North Carolina’s coach.

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Here's one from 2018 that goes in to a lot of his coaching and recruiting philosophy [only copied relevant sections]...

Quote:Miller, who at 35 is still the seventh-youngest coach in Division I, realized he had to work on himself as much as his fledgling program. He had to change his identity before he could change the Spartans.

“I’d had staff for years say, ‘Coach, we’ve got to play zone,’ or, ‘Coach, we’ve got to make changes.’ Well, I was trying to be stubborn like the guy I knew,” Miller says. “What I realized as I developed as a head coach is I’m not going to be as good at being stubborn as Roy Williams is. That’s his gift, not mine. I’ve got to find better ways to defend and win in this league that fit who we are.

“That’s when we started playing a little zone, and I realized if we played more than two possessions of it, it could be successful. And then we started to toy with three-quarter pressure.”

If you’ve seen a UNCG game in the last two seasons, you’ve seen the Spartans' calling card.

They defend. They still play half-court man-to-man, but they mix in half-court zone defenses, too. And after made baskets, when their opponent inbounds the ball, the Spartans play a relentless 1-2-2 zone press.

Miller had tinkered with the idea of pressure defense. And then, by happenstance, he ended up on the same jet plane in a seat next to Oregon coach Dana Altman.

“I was fortunate,” Miller says. “I’d studied his 1-2-2 zone press, but I didn’t know him at all. I think he was as ready to get off that plane as anyone I’ve ever seen because he was ready to get away from me. I wore him out for two hours on a flight from Dallas to New York during the recruiting period.

“I was able to come away with some of his principles and teaching points. That gave me some confidence to put it in. That’s evolved. It’s become who we are.”

It’s not a true full-court press. UNCG picks up the pressure about three-quarters court, trapping with two defenders when the ball moves away from the middle of the floor.

Sometimes, the Spartans will force a turnover. But the goal is simply to make it hard for the opponent to get the ball across midcourt and set up its half-court offense. They want to take time off the shot clock and force a hurried shot.

Hurried shots are almost always bad shots.

Since installing the press and changing UNCG’s defensive philosophy, Miller’s teams are 52-17 with a pair of Southern Conference regular-season titles, an NIT berth and now an NCAA berth. He signed a contract extension in September, good through June 30, 2022, that is paying him a base salary of $233,450 this season and $242,788 next season.

The best defensive schemes in the world cannot make a team win without players.

There, too, Miller has evolved. He knows exactly what he’s looking for when he’s on the recruiting trail.

“You need kids to dig in, work at it year to year, understand the values in your program and then instill those values in the locker room on the guys who come behind them,” Miller says. “ … The young guys have guys to look to and say, ‘That’s how we’re supposed to do it.’ That’s a really hard thing to achieve in 2017-18 in college athletics: four-year guys who dig in, especially when things aren’t going well.”

The seniors on this year’s team, led by 6-foot-6 guard-forward Marvin Smith and 6-9 Jordy Kuiper, embraced the defense-first mindset. They’re passing it down to 6-10 shot-blocker James Dickey, junior point guard Demetrius Troy and athletic freshman guard Isaiah Miller.

And Francis Alonso, the team’s leading scorer the last three seasons, plays hard on the defensive end.

Miller saw the same thing in every one of his players when he recruited them: willing defenders.

“The first thing we’re looking for is basketball guys,” Miller says. “… We value academics tremendously. But you’ve got to know coming in that I live, eat, sleep, breathe basketball. And I do better coaching guys with the same mentality. So if you’re not a gym rat, who really wants to work, I’m probably not the right fit as a coach.”

Realizing that, and being honest about it on recruiting visits, has cost him some players, Miller says. But he also believes it’s cut down on bad fits and transfers.

“The second thing we look for is kids we think can defend the way we’re trying to defend,” Miller says, “and that’s changed a lot in the last two or three years. Because we’ve changed the way we guard. We need kids who can fit into our pressing schemes and our man-to-man schemes and are versatile defenders. We love multi-positional players. Look at our frontcourt right now. I love James Dickey and Kyrin Galloway, because I can do so many things with them defensively. We can switch on ball screens, because they can guard five positions.”

There’s one more intangible Miller seeks, something he himself had as a player, something that makes him a taskmaster in practice.

Something that has kept him in coaching even when things were rotten.

“The last thing we’re trying to find, and it’s the most important if we can check those first two boxes, is we want tough, competitive dudes,” Miller says. “You have to have a DNA of winning when I watch you play. And if I don’t see that, we go in another direction. Sometimes we miss because of that. Sometimes a kid doesn’t show me he cares about winning the next possession and we misevaluate. Maybe he does have those characteristics, and he goes on to be a great player for someone else.”

If he does, and he runs into Miller’s UNCG team, the Spartans will defend the heck out of him.

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I like the idea of a coach who isn't stubborn to his own detriment. From the outside, it seemed like Brannen really struggled with that. Mick was stubborn too, although I think he had good self awareness, and a change of environment seems to have done him a lot of good. The "submit" kind of stuff from Brannen was really creepy...
 
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RE: Hiring the next hoops coach
(04-14-2021 03:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
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(04-14-2021 03:09 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I wouldn't touch Wes Miller with a 30 foot pole. He has not spent one second recruiting at the high major level.

I don't suppose UC is a high major program anymore. Salary range that is rumored to have been discussed with Martin is 1.1 to 1.5, which is about a million short of where the salary needs to be. These candidates are nobody that any "other" high major program would consider. Archie Miller? Bryce Drew? Frank Martin? The top assistant at Baylor, whatever his name is? If you are a serious Bearcat fan and thought you'd be cheering on a squad led by one of those guys this fall, it looks like the joke is going to be on you.

Minnesota just hired a Xavier assistant coach as their head coach.
UNC just hired their own assistant coach.
Boston College just hired the head coach from College of Charleston
Depaul just hired an assistant from Oregon
Iowa State just hired a coach who was 29-30 at UNLV
Texas Tech just hired their own assistnat coach.
Utah Just hired the Utah State head coach.

The elite programs can often pull from a different pool of candidates but UC's candidates are absolutely in line with where most high majors look.

There's also the fact that every university is bleeding this year.

Not just the AD, the whole university. Lower ticket revenue is the least of their problems. Donations are down due to the recession. Dorms are at half capacity (or less). And they spent tens of millions (at least) on technology for remote learning.


Even UNC is supposedly paying their new coach about $1 million.

No university is going to open their wallets this year for anyone unless they absolutely have to.
 
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RE: Hiring the next hoops coach
(04-14-2021 05:25 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
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(04-14-2021 03:09 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I wouldn't touch Wes Miller with a 30 foot pole. He has not spent one second recruiting at the high major level.

I don't suppose UC is a high major program anymore. Salary range that is rumored to have been discussed with Martin is 1.1 to 1.5, which is about a million short of where the salary needs to be. These candidates are nobody that any "other" high major program would consider. Archie Miller? Bryce Drew? Frank Martin? The top assistant at Baylor, whatever his name is? If you are a serious Bearcat fan and thought you'd be cheering on a squad led by one of those guys this fall, it looks like the joke is going to be on you.

Minnesota just hired a Xavier assistant coach as their head coach.
UNC just hired their own assistant coach.
Boston College just hired the head coach from College of Charleston
Depaul just hired an assistant from Oregon
Iowa State just hired a coach who was 29-30 at UNLV
Texas Tech just hired their own assistnat coach.
Utah Just hired the Utah State head coach.

The elite programs can often pull from a different pool of candidates but UC's candidates are absolutely in line with where most high majors look.

There's also the fact that every university is bleeding this year.

Not just the AD, the whole university. Lower ticket revenue is the least of their problems. Donations are down due to the recession. Dorms are at half capacity (or less). And they spent tens of millions (at least) on technology for remote learning.


Even UNC is supposedly paying their new coach about $1 million.

No university is going to open their wallets this year for anyone unless they absolutely have to.

UNC is paying closer to $2 million, but that's still really low for arguably the top job in the country. It's going to take years for universities and athletic departments to recover. If I'm a high-major assistant or a low/mid-major head coach looking to move up, $1 million a year sounds pretty good. Most of those guys are making somewhere between $250-$500k. In this profession, I think contracts should be a lot more incentive laden, and I hope this period of financial distress pushes athletic departments in that direction.
 
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RE: Hiring the next hoops coach
(04-14-2021 03:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
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(04-14-2021 03:09 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I wouldn't touch Wes Miller with a 30 foot pole. He has not spent one second recruiting at the high major level.

I don't suppose UC is a high major program anymore. Salary range that is rumored to have been discussed with Martin is 1.1 to 1.5, which is about a million short of where the salary needs to be. These candidates are nobody that any "other" high major program would consider. Archie Miller? Bryce Drew? Frank Martin? The top assistant at Baylor, whatever his name is? If you are a serious Bearcat fan and thought you'd be cheering on a squad led by one of those guys this fall, it looks like the joke is going to be on you.

Minnesota just hired a Xavier assistant coach as their head coach.
UNC just hired their own assistant coach.
Boston College just hired the head coach from College of Charleston
Depaul just hired an assistant from Oregon
Iowa State just hired a coach who was 29-30 at UNLV
Texas Tech just hired their own assistnat coach.
Utah Just hired the Utah State head coach.

The elite programs can often pull from a different pool of candidates but UC's candidates are absolutely in line with where most high majors look.
So let's add Arizona hiring Gonzaga assistant Tommy Lloyd.
 
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I like Wes Miller.
 
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Per twitter (Chad and Chris Bains) down to two. Also per twitter it's Wes Miller and not Erik Martin. Don't think the second name has been posted officially outside BCJ, so I'm not supposed to say. But you could figure it out with a little searching.
 
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(04-14-2021 06:57 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Lobot now reporting it is Pedon.

Well, will know in 30 minutes
 
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Wes Miller time
 
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Multiple sources reporting Wes Miller hired.

I'm okay with this. He's young and he has a lot of head coaching experience. I would have been fine with a young up-and-comer without head coaching experience. But Wes Miller has the best resume.

Known for tough defense, forcing TO's and getting offensive rebounds. Plays a three-quarter's court press. Seems like he could use an assistant who knows offense. Going back to the tough physical style of play that Cincinnati is known for.
 
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Good. Didn't like the thought of Pedon at all.
 
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Aight aight I don’t know much other than UNC was looking at him. Glad it’s not the other Miller. They gave Martin a good look and seemed like they interviewed a bunch.

Let’s roll!
 
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Seems like a great hire! Gotta start fast.
 
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Time to recruit...quickly
 
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Wes Miller was easily my favorite of the mid/low major head coach options.
 
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Hoping for the best. I assume his contract eliminates tough extended practices. Time to move on. Sad and sorry story.
 
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