(03-24-2021 07:59 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 07:16 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 07:06 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 06:58 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 08:48 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Luke Loewe is in the portal now. Brevin Galloway is headed to Boston College. Cougars may be looking at UMBC coach, Ryan Odom? Cougars have only a few players left on the current roster because Tucker, Epps, Jasper, King and Galloway are moving on.

Wow Grant's pulling a Keatts and taking one of his best players with him to BC? What a scumbag

That argument is ridiculous now as it was then. Players are usually lured to a school because of the coach. That relationship is more important than the school. I don't blame the player for wanting to follow him to BC or the coach for saying yes. Don't forget, the player makes this choice, not the coach.

Unwritten rules..... I didn't agree then, I don't agree now. Don't hurt the school that gave you your shot! In most professional careers when people move they have a non solicit for a period of time, similar should apply.

The NCAA makes the rules around transfers so what companies do is irrelevant. This is also a year where student athletes can transfer without sitting. This is a win for the student who gets a shot at the ACC level he didn't have out of HS. If Grant thinks he can play at that level, why not give him the chance?

You can be ok with a coach being a snake and slapping the employer in the face that gave him his shot, Sorry, I won't be. You do you.

Im with 82 on this one.

If my boss left to go to a new company and asked me to go with him, id be crazy not to evaluate my options.

You don't know what is coming next, so for some people, its better to stick with the devil you know.

So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

(03-24-2021 08:20 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Im with 82 on this one.

If my boss left to go to a new company and asked me to go with him, id be crazy not to evaluate my options.

You don't know what is coming next, so for some people, its better to stick with the devil you know.

Your boss probably wouldn't be able to do that for a period of time. I had a boss leave 4 years ago, he had to wait a year before he could contact any of us about a job. Think about how much losing CJ right away absolutely crippled our program. CB had no buffer to learn with a solid core.

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mark Byington?

(03-24-2021 09:09 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mary Byington?

From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

(03-24-2021 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:09 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mary Byington?

From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

Yikes! That McGrath hire keeps looking worse and worse on Jimmy. Coming off two straight NCAA Tournament appearances and the best we could muster was CB.

(03-24-2021 09:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:09 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mary Byington?

From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

Thankfully Siddle has a plan and system that has worked in the past. Get a couple of quality transfer bigs, then we should be swimming sooner than you think with how horrid the CAA is now.

(03-24-2021 09:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:09 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:31 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  So Gary, are saying that he can leave for Charleston but not UNCW because they can offer a much bigger salary, just checking? If they are considered the top 2 jobs in the CAA, then that is quite a difference. I would imagine that the salary offered would be somewhat similar for him relative to the 2 programs. And, that would be in the 500-600 range per at this point in time (little less a few years back) given his track record...just a hunch.

His salary up there has to be somewhat inflated relative to living in the south. And, living in the south is way better on many fronts.

Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mary Byington?

From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

I just think it's important to remember how much the McGrath hire set us back financially. It's been talked about before but our best chance to hire a successful sitting HC was after Keatts left. We didn't have "dead money" on the books and got a buyout.

(03-24-2021 09:42 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:09 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 08:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Well they were paying Earl Grant 650k a year and will be getting a 225k buyout from BC. So I'd imagine he'll be getting at least a 500k offer. I don't know what the buyout will be from UMBC. We were and are currently still paying C.B. McGrath 300k a year (to my knowledge) to not be our basketball coach. I don't think there is any reason to assume we could've afforded Ryan Odom.

You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mary Byington?

From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

I just think it's important to remember how much the McGrath hire set us back financially. It's been talked about before but our best chance to hire a successful sitting HC was after Keatts left. We didn't have "dead money" on the books and got a buyout.

Which brings up, why did Jimmy hire McGrath?!

(03-24-2021 09:46 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:42 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:09 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  You are probably correct. But could we have afforded Mary Byington?

From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

I just think it's important to remember how much the McGrath hire set us back financially. It's been talked about before but our best chance to hire a successful sitting HC was after Keatts left. We didn't have "dead money" on the books and got a buyout.

Which brings up, why did Jimmy hire McGrath?!

The talk on that coaching search has been exhausted. Feel free to discuss if y'all want but I'm gonna pass.

(03-24-2021 09:48 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:46 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:42 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  From what I can tell Byington was making around 300k a year at GA Southern. So I think we might have been able to give him a minimal bump in salary (we'd also have to pay whatever his buyout was). UNCW is a better situation than GA Southern if you're looking to make an eventual jump to the P5 though. JMU offered him approximately 75k a year more plus a new arena. I'm not sure if we could've matched that. Idk if Jimmy reached out to him, but he should've at least gauged his interest. I believe the "coming back home" narrative in sports is overrated, so I don't put much weight into him being an alum.

I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

I just think it's important to remember how much the McGrath hire set us back financially. It's been talked about before but our best chance to hire a successful sitting HC was after Keatts left. We didn't have "dead money" on the books and got a buyout.

Which brings up, why did Jimmy hire McGrath?!

The talk on that coaching search has been exhausted. Feel free to discuss if y'all want but I'm gonna pass.

LOL counterproductive at this point. Apparently one missed trip to the UNC well wasn't enough, he needed 2 to add to his resume?

(03-24-2021 09:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:48 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:46 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:42 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I disagree with the coming home thing being over rated. There is a lot to be said for familiarity. That said, it doesn't matter anyways. We are on the Siddle train, sink, or swim. Hopefully some swimming in the future!

I just think it's important to remember how much the McGrath hire set us back financially. It's been talked about before but our best chance to hire a successful sitting HC was after Keatts left. We didn't have "dead money" on the books and got a buyout.

Which brings up, why did Jimmy hire McGrath?!

The talk on that coaching search has been exhausted. Feel free to discuss if y'all want but I'm gonna pass.

LOL counterproductive at this point. Apparently one missed trip to the UNC well wasn't enough, he needed 2 to add to his resume?

What was the first?

(03-24-2021 09:54 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:48 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:46 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:42 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I just think it's important to remember how much the McGrath hire set us back financially. It's been talked about before but our best chance to hire a successful sitting HC was after Keatts left. We didn't have "dead money" on the books and got a buyout.

Which brings up, why did Jimmy hire McGrath?!

The talk on that coaching search has been exhausted. Feel free to discuss if y'all want but I'm gonna pass.

LOL counterproductive at this point. Apparently one missed trip to the UNC well wasn't enough, he needed 2 to add to his resume?

What was the first?

Buzz Peterson?

(03-24-2021 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:54 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:48 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:46 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Which brings up, why did Jimmy hire McGrath?!

The talk on that coaching search has been exhausted. Feel free to discuss if y'all want but I'm gonna pass.

LOL counterproductive at this point. Apparently one missed trip to the UNC well wasn't enough, he needed 2 to add to his resume?

What was the first?

Buzz Peterson?

Bass inherited Buzz. Mehrtens made that hire.

(03-24-2021 10:08 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:54 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 09:48 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  The talk on that coaching search has been exhausted. Feel free to discuss if y'all want but I'm gonna pass.

LOL counterproductive at this point. Apparently one missed trip to the UNC well wasn't enough, he needed 2 to add to his resume?

What was the first?

Buzz Peterson?

Bass inherited Buzz. Mehrtens made that hire.

That's correct, but Bass extended him, that put us in an even bigger financial bind and was probably a much bigger mistake than the hire itself.

I see that y'all are bored today.

(03-24-2021 10:27 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I see that y'all are bored today.

Hahahaha