Again, I just don't see the disconnect here.

(02-23-2021 11:40 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  A few suites came available and those were offered by Duke Club priority.

JMU:

Quote:Tickets will not be available for Duke Club members, JMU students or the general public during the spring football season.

Is this a reading comprehension thing?

Maybe it's just that I'm limited to my text formatting options. Let's try this again.

(02-23-2021 11:40 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  A few suites came available and those were offered by Duke Club priority.

JMU:

(02-23-2021 11:44 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Again, I just don't see the disconnect here.

(02-23-2021 11:40 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  A few suites came available and those were offered by Duke Club priority.

JMU:

Quote:Tickets will not be available for Duke Club members, JMU students or the general public during the spring football season.

Is this a reading comprehension thing?

Slow Children Playing. I guess it depends how you read it. But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

(02-23-2021 11:56 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

Oh did you! Show your work.

It's not like JMU went out to sell suites. These were facilities that were already sold... so to say that tickets will not be available isn't necessarily wrong because there aren't any suites available.

(02-23-2021 11:21 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:07 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  Looks like we found our Karen. This reads just like the post I was referring to on FB group. haha

First of all, and I mean this will all the love in the world, you can take your name calling and shove it right up your own a$$.

Secondly, let me be clear here. From the university side, I understand how managing donors works and that this is all a business. I also understand from the donor side that of course you should be at the front of the line because money talks. I have no problem with these folks being part of the 250. I mean hell, even if Northam upped the limit to 500 or 750, I'd have no expectation of being in a position to attend games because people who have higher priority rightly should be in the door ahead of me.

What I don't understand: what is the point of consistent messaging about tickets not being available to the public when that's just patently not true?

But the tickets aren't available to the public. You can't call up the Duke Club and buy a ticket.

If you're talking about the suites, the deal is you buy the suite you are welcome to use it whenever there is an event. Sort of plays out like this 'Mr. Big Donor, since you paid for Suite 12, we wanted to let you know that there will be an event in the stadium this weekend, the JMU football team will host XXX team. Will you be joining us, if yes then how many guests so we can plan your catering needs?'

If you're talking about the other 250, JMU gives a certain allotment to the team to bring their parents/family, wives/girfriends, friends, old high school coaches, whomever. Whatever is left over the school probably decided to give (or sell) to 'friends of the university'. You can bet those 'friends' are all big donors to the school. So no, you can't buy a ticket, but if you're a friend of the university I'm sure you could somehow make the list of people who can get a ticket that isn't available for sale. I'm pretty sure if you called up the school and said you wanted to give $50,000 to the school but you really want to be able to get into BFS for the spring football games, some way somehow they'll find a way so you can be there.

What I really don't understand is why you feel so wronged in all this. I don't get why you feel justified to be pissed off about people being there when you say you 'get it' about big donor privileges.

(02-23-2021 12:03 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:56 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

Oh did you! Show your work.

Cliff Wood at the Duke Club told me the same thing Sunday 2/14. The indoor space is considered separate from the 250 event capacity. Don't ask me how that works - you'd have to call Richmond for that answer.

Info about stadium suites:
https://jmudukeclub.com/sports/2018/11/2...ating.aspx

(02-23-2021 12:06 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  It's not like JMU went out to sell suites. These were facilities that were already sold... so to say that tickets will not be available isn't necessarily wrong because there aren't any suites available.

(02-22-2021 10:56 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  edit* there was one unsold suite available. I did recall hearing about that availability from the Duke Club last week. Did the people in the FB group call and offer to sign the multi-year agreement for 6 figures? Doubtful. That's why they weren't at the football game last weekend, and if they're mad about that then there's no reasoning with them.

Yeah but which one is it.

(02-18-2021 01:40 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Think about how much easier the lower cap is for the Duke club / ticket office too. This allows them to just say "we are only allowing family and friends of athletes, coaches and staff" and be done with it. If that cap is raised to 2k, they have to figure out what they think is the best way to roll out tickets, and then put up with a bunch of Karen's threatening to pull their $100 annual donation. Then when only 1.5k of the 2k people show up, Karen is going to be calling back to b!tch some more.

I really thought this could have been one of my most accurate predictions regarding JMU. Unfortunately it was off. I had no idea those Karen's would raise a fit over ~30 people that donate >$10k a year just to Duke Club (and then spend tens of thousands more on suites and then donate to other sports campaigns and then donate to other university campaigns). I assumed they would only complain about not being included in the top 2k. I didn't think they would complain about not being in the top 30. I'm still avoiding the FB Nation facebook page (the 3,324th squirrel post caused me to retreat), but I might need to rejoin to start asking for donation receipts.

(02-23-2021 12:07 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:03 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:56 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

Oh did you! Show your work.

Cliff Wood at the Duke Club told me the same thing Sunday 2/14. The indoor space is considered separate from the 250 event capacity. Don't ask me how that works - you'd have to call Richmond for that answer.

I would guess JMU found a creative loophole and didn’t publicize it to avoid the backlash from state government.

(02-23-2021 12:11 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:06 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  It's not like JMU went out to sell suites. These were facilities that were already sold... so to say that tickets will not be available isn't necessarily wrong because there aren't any suites available.

(02-22-2021 10:56 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  edit* there was one unsold suite available. I did recall hearing about that availability from the Duke Club last week. Did the people in the FB group call and offer to sign the multi-year agreement for 6 figures? Doubtful. That's why they weren't at the football game last weekend, and if they're mad about that then there's no reasoning with them.

Yeah but which one is it.

Call the Duke Club and see? On 2/17 there was one available. If the website now says there aren't any available I would suspect that there aren't any available.

(02-23-2021 12:14 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:07 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:03 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:56 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

Oh did you! Show your work.

Cliff Wood at the Duke Club told me the same thing Sunday 2/14. The indoor space is considered separate from the 250 event capacity. Don't ask me how that works - you'd have to call Richmond for that answer.

I would guess JMU found a creative loophole and didn’t publicize it to avoid the backlash from state government.

I got an email about it and I'm nowhere near the top of the donor roll.

(02-23-2021 12:07 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:03 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:56 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

Oh did you! Show your work.

Cliff Wood at the Duke Club told me the same thing Sunday 2/14. The indoor space is considered separate from the 250 event capacity. Don't ask me how that works - you'd have to call Richmond for that answer.

For the purposes of "containing" covid (you cant), this is obviously stupid to say they are two different venues when they are obviously not. I dont envy the position JMU is in. The governor has for almost a year put insane restrictions that did nothing to stop the spread of covid on businesses that he has no authority to. JMU had to make a soup sandwich and look awful either way.

Since we are down 60% of cases from the peak a few weeks ago, idgaf, ansy.

(02-23-2021 12:06 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  What I really don't understand is why you feel so wronged in all this. I don't get why you feel justified to be pissed off about people being there when you say you 'get it' about big donor privileges.

It's not my problem that you have assigned feelings to me incorrectly.

I don't really understand why you think it's okay to eat babies. Pretty detestable habit if you ask me.

I shouldn't have to tell you that you're 0% correct about deciding that I "feel wronged" or "pissed off." You take care of what you think and feel, and I'll go ahead and do that for myself.

JMU is being deliberately obtuse (at best) or deceptive (at worst) about what is and is not available for purchase. I think that's crappy, especially for an academic institution of higher learning.

(02-23-2021 12:14 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:07 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:03 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:56 AM)TXGiant Wrote:  But, I did verify that the suites are considered separately from the stadium seats by the State of VA. End of argument.

Oh did you! Show your work.

Cliff Wood at the Duke Club told me the same thing Sunday 2/14. The indoor space is considered separate from the 250 event capacity. Don't ask me how that works - you'd have to call Richmond for that answer.

I would guess JMU found a creative loophole and didn’t publicize it to avoid the backlash from state government.

I would imagine it’s the same for tech, uva, etc.

Why folks get so wrapped up in this is beyond me.
Big $ donors help build the program and make it what it is. I’d love to see more of them. Or, we could just boot them all out and look like URI on the field.

Want to attend games? Call up Richmond and start asking why they think 250 is good for a nearly 25k stadium.

Yeah I care less than 0 about this. I know I’m just a blip on the donor radar, so not surprising I didn’t hear about a suite purchase opportunity.

I truly love how many psychics we have on the board who have decided that the only reason someone could have a problem with this issue is because they're whining about not being able to go to the game and not that a lack of transparency at one's alma mater is gross.

(02-23-2021 12:25 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  I truly love how many psychics we have on the board who have decided that the only reason someone could have a problem with this issue is because they're whining about not being able to go to the game and not that a lack of transparency at one's alma mater is gross.

Is it a lack of transparency, or a constantly evolving mess of rules and regs about what you can and can't do to comply with state mandates? You seem to think it's the former.

That seems fair. There’s definitely room for JMU as an institution (not just athletics) to grow as it relates to transparency/honesty. A public institution should not have needless secrecy about BOV business & burner phones to dodge FOIA requests. But I agree with Deez that this feels more like JMU trying its best to adapt as the regulations from above evolve. I don’t blame them for the way they’ve handled stadium attendance. I hope they milk the goodwill earned from this into even more $$$ from those suite-holders.