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Among them is Susan Hosford of Denison, Texas. On a typical February day, she pays Griddy less than $2.50 for power. But the one-day cost spiked to hundreds of dollars after the storm. In all, she was automatically charged $1,346.17 for the first two weeks of February, which was more than she had in her checking account, causing her bank to charge her overdraft fees and affect other bills.

“This whole thing has been a nightmare,” she said.

Here’s more on the soaring electricity bills:

Wholesale prices are typically as low as a couple of cents per kilowatt-hour but spiked to $9 per kilowatt-hour after the storm. Fixed rate customers pay a set amount that doesn’t rise as much. Typically, they pay around 12 cents per kilowatt-hour. But Rhodes said fixed rate customers could see their price rise by a few cents later this year as companies hit by the icy conditions look to recoup their costs — but their bills won’t be in the thousands.

People are able to pay wholesale prices in Texas because it’s one of the only states that lets people pick which company it buys power from, Rhodes said.

WHAT IS GRIDDY?

Griddy, which launched in 2017, charges $10 a month to give people a way to pay wholesale prices for electricity instead of a fixed rate. It warned customers of raising prices and urged them to switch providers. The company said wholesale prices returned to normal as of Feb. 20.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED?

Griddy said it has 29,000 members. It’s unclear how many other Texans also pay wholesale prices from other companies.

“We won’t get the full picture on the financial devastation for maybe 30 to 90 days,” said Ed Hirs, an energy fellow at the University of Houston.

WILL THOSE WHO GOT LARGE BILLS GET FINANCIAL HELP?

That’s unclear. Texas Governor Greg Abbott said Sunday that he is working with members of the legislature to address skyrocketing energy bills and “find ways that the state can help reduce this burden.” But he didn’t give specifics on what that may be. For the time being, the state has stopped companies from cutting off power for not paying.

Rhodes said bailing out customers may be a hard sell since they opted to pay wholesale prices and may have paid a much lower price than others for some time.
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Griddy sounds lilke a great deal, but it has to be managed by the consumer in order to not get smacked. And it sounds like Griddy did everything it could to prepare people to switch service prior to this happened.

It would be a shame if some people who failed to manage their service causes it to end for everyone using it. 2 cents per KWH is really cheap. This would be like a one year loss of savings, that wouldnt have had to have happened if they managed their service.
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The people who used Griddy probably clicked yes to a massive disclaimer about how high the variable rate could go. Seems like the Robinhood of the power world. It exposes the user to a sophisticated market with potentially high losses. Perfectly fine for the people that understand it, but I'm guessing many people just saw cheap power and clicked "I accept".
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Griddy would be wise to work individual settlement plans with those effected.

Similar to health industries, payment plans and prompt pay discounts could help if no federal/state aid is coming
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(02-22-2021 10:27 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 10:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 09:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 07:59 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Once in a decade? Try once in a century.


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1989, 2011, 2021

The temp was lower this time, but the outcome was the same. Massive loss of generation capacity to poor winterization.

The bold is the key phrase there smart one. Plus, I lived in Houston in 2011... 07-coffee3

I don't remember hearing of any major problems in 2011 either. And 1989 the biggest problem was bursting water pipes. I lived in Houston then. I don't remember any significant power problems. 1989 was colder in Houston than this time, but I don't remember how it was in the rest of the state.

https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/03/...blackouts/

Sounds pretty minor compared to last week. Basically a day of real problems. But it does sound like they didn't follow through very well.
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(02-22-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(02-22-2021 10:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(02-21-2021 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  1989, 2011, 2021
The temp was lower this time, but the outcome was the same. Massive loss of generation capacity to poor winterization.
The bold is the key phrase there smart one. Plus, I lived in Houston in 2011... 07-coffee3
I don't remember hearing of any major problems in 2011 either. And 1989 the biggest problem was bursting water pipes. I lived in Houston then. I don't remember any significant power problems. 1989 was colder in Houston than this time, but I don't remember how it was in the rest of the state.
https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/03/...blackouts/
Sounds pretty minor compared to last week. Basically a day of real problems. But it does sound like they didn't follow through very well.

I think they didn't follow through because the problems really weren't that severe. I keep hearing about 2011, and I frankly don't even remember it. I do remember 1989, but we left water dripping and left the state and came back to no problems. I do remember going up to take I-20 east instead of the usual I-10, because the causeway over the Atchafalaya Basin was 20 miles covered in one inch ice.

The big problem is that reserve capacity has dropped from about 20% to 10%. When 20% of your regular capacity is renewables, that is not a viable situation. They need either a lot (and I mean a lot of lot) more wind and solar, plus a lot of batteries, or they need to reactivate some fossil fuel capacity to serve at least as reserve.
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Snow covering up solar panels has come up in this thread. I just saw this tweet of Tesla solar panels shedding snow. Apparently they shed water and ice decently well.

Thought it was pretty cool

https://twitter.com/AustinTeslaClub/stat...55553?s=19
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Quote:President Joe Biden refused to entirely fulfill the relief request that was issued by Texas Governor Greg Abbott in response to widespread energy failures that arose in the midst of a Texas “freeze” that has been attributed with the deaths of at least ten people.

“President Joe Biden declared a major disaster for 77 Texas counties, the White House said Saturday morning, two days after Gov. Greg Abbott had asked for a declaration that covered all 254 counties coping with the effects of a winter storm that knocked out power and heat across the state,” reported the Dallas Morning News.

Biden’s disaster declaration, issued last Friday, offers much less than what Texas officials had requested.

“The declaration covers much of the Texas population, including Dallas and neighboring counties, and the counties that include Houston, San Antonio and Austin, but falls far short of what Texas officials sought,” the Dallas Morning News continued.

“This partial approval is an important first step,” Abbott conceded on Saturday.

“I thank President Biden for his assistance as we respond to impacts of winter weather across our state,” Abbott said earlier in a statement. “Texas will continue to work with our federal partners to ensure all eligible Texans have access to the relief they need. The funds provided under the Major Disaster Declaration may provide crucial assistance to Texans as they begin to repair their homes and address property damage.”

Earlier on Friday, senators John Cornyn and Ted Cruz had requested that Biden urgently approve the request for aid “for all 254 Texas counties as a result of severe winter weather that began on February 11, 2021.”

“We urge you to grant this request to secure the health and safety of all Texans affected by this disaster,” the wrote.

As pointed out by the Dallas Morning News, there was a bi-partisan call to get relief for all of the counties.

There was an urgent request made by “18 of 23 Texas Republicans in the U.S. House plus Houston Rep. Al Green, who also signed the Democrats’ letter.”

“Our home state has been battered by unprecedented winter weather that has affected all 254 counties in Texas, overwhelmed the power grid, and crippled our roadways,” they wrote. “The historic impacts of winter precipitation and arctic temperatures have left millions of Texans without power, potable water, and have strained the supply chain for food and other necessities.”

The Biden administration did not entirely fulfill that request. The aftermath of the Texas freeze has nonetheless been brutally harsh on state residents.

“Freezing temperatures sent energy demand soaring in Texas to levels that eclipsed even the hottest summer days,” reported Politico. “Grid operators there and across the Midwest implemented rolling blackouts to prevent further damage to the grid, but in Texas alone 4 million customers have been without power since Monday.”

Thus, the Biden administration may be blamed at a later date for leaving two-thirds of the state’s counties without an encompassing disaster declaration and attached aid.

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(02-22-2021 04:54 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  Snow covering up solar panels has come up in this thread. I just saw this tweet of Tesla solar panels shedding snow. Apparently they shed water and ice decently well.

Thought it was pretty cool

https://twitter.com/AustinTeslaClub/stat...55553?s=19

I'm a fan of the tesla roof (in concept anyway), but thats not really a great example. That is a really steep roof. Also, the snow storm of last week produced "dry" snow because it was so cold. But in the south, we usually get wet snow, and even that highly pitched roof wont prevent it from sticking. Wet snow down here will stick and fill in a chain link fence. Now, could tesla have coated these things to prevent sticking? That would be interesting, especially if it could repel wet snow and freezing rain.


The issue with solar panels on the roof is getting them cleared. If they are ground level, a broom with a really long handle and muscle can get it done quickly, so not too bad for a homeowner. For a solar farm, you'd need a crew or an ingenious way of doing it, and that ingenious way is probably too expensive for areas that dont get enough snow to make it worthwhile.
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(02-22-2021 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 04:54 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  Snow covering up solar panels has come up in this thread. I just saw this tweet of Tesla solar panels shedding snow. Apparently they shed water and ice decently well.

Thought it was pretty cool

https://twitter.com/AustinTeslaClub/stat...55553?s=19

I'm a fan of the tesla roof (in concept anyway), but thats not really a great example. That is a really steep roof. Also, the snow storm of last week produced "dry" snow because it was so cold. But in the south, we usually get wet snow, and even that highly pitched roof wont prevent it from sticking. Wet snow down here will stick and fill in a chain link fence. Now, could tesla have coated these things to prevent sticking? That would be interesting, especially if it could repel wet snow and freezing rain.


The issue with solar panels on the roof is getting them cleared. If they are ground level, a broom with a really long handle and muscle can get it done quickly, so not too bad for a homeowner. For a solar farm, you'd need a crew or an ingenious way of doing it, and that ingenious way is probably too expensive for areas that dont get enough snow to make it worthwhile.

I live in Augusta, GA, so I don't ever experience snow of any kind. lol

Elon did reply to that tweet to say that their panels do somewhat repel some water. After relooking at the video, you are right though, that is a very steep roof, especially compared to mine.

I'd love to see some data and research on this. I'd have to think that if having panels that are somewhat hydrophobic, that this is a technology that would be looked into even more???

And again, this is politics aside and more just being a technology nerd. haha
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(02-22-2021 09:56 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 04:54 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  Snow covering up solar panels has come up in this thread. I just saw this tweet of Tesla solar panels shedding snow. Apparently they shed water and ice decently well.

Thought it was pretty cool

https://twitter.com/AustinTeslaClub/stat...55553?s=19

I'm a fan of the tesla roof (in concept anyway), but thats not really a great example. That is a really steep roof. Also, the snow storm of last week produced "dry" snow because it was so cold. But in the south, we usually get wet snow, and even that highly pitched roof wont prevent it from sticking. Wet snow down here will stick and fill in a chain link fence. Now, could tesla have coated these things to prevent sticking? That would be interesting, especially if it could repel wet snow and freezing rain.


The issue with solar panels on the roof is getting them cleared. If they are ground level, a broom with a really long handle and muscle can get it done quickly, so not too bad for a homeowner. For a solar farm, you'd need a crew or an ingenious way of doing it, and that ingenious way is probably too expensive for areas that dont get enough snow to make it worthwhile.

I live in Augusta, GA, so I don't ever experience snow of any kind. lol

Elon did reply to that tweet to say that their panels do somewhat repel some water. After relooking at the video, you are right though, that is a very steep roof, especially compared to mine.

I'd love to see some data and research on this. I'd have to think that if having panels that are somewhat hydrophobic, that this is a technology that would be looked into even more???

And again, this is politics aside and more just being a technology nerd. haha

If his shingle panels can do a good job of repelling snow buildup, then thats a big deal. There's a lot of places you dont want to have to go in a snow storm, but your roof ranks way up at the top of the list.

They do have a cool asthetic design. They look like solid shingles (or slate) from the ground level angle, but they are clear at the angle of the sun.
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Quote:Five board members of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas — the entity that manages and operates the electricity grid that covers much of Texas — will resign on Wednesday, according to a notice to the Public Utility Commission. A sixth has withdrawn his application to the board.

All six live outside of Texas.

Sally Talberg, board chair; Peter Cramton, vice chair; Terry Bulger, finance and audit chair; and Raymond Hepper, human resources and governance committee chair, occupy the "unaffiliated" director positions on the board, which mean they must remain independent of any business ERCOT oversees. Their resignations will be effective at the end of the board's Wednesday meeting.

In addition, Vanessa Anesetti-Parra, the market segment director for the independent retail electric provider market segment, will also resign her position as a board member. Craig Ivey, who was slated to fill a vacant unaffiliated director position, withdrew his application.

ERCOT board members had come under fire last week when it was reported that some did not reside in the state. ERCOT officials, during a press conference last week, said it had temporarily removed personal information about the directors from its website because they were experiencing harassment.

The board has been criticized for last week's mass power outage during a winter storm that has claimed the lives of dozens of Texans. More than 4.5 million customers were without power at one point last week.

Gov. Greg Abbott had called on ERCOT board members to resign in the aftermath of the crisis and said in a statement Tuesday that he welcomes their resignations, promising to investigate the grid operator.

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“I welcome the resignations,” Abbott said. “The lack of preparedness and transparency at ERCOT is unacceptable. We will ensure that the disastrous events of last week are never repeated.”

ERCOT, a nonprofit, is governed by a board of directors, but overseen by the Public Utility Commission. Fifteen members serve on the ERCOT board, including the five unaffiliated director positions. The vacancies will not immediately be filled.

In order for ERCOT to maintain its certification as an independent organization, the board, which should consist of 16 members, must include five directors who are completely unaffiliated with “any market segment.” Ivey would have been the fifth unaffiliated member.

“The board chairman, board vice chairman and both committee chairman leadership roles will be vacant,” according to the notice submitted by attorneys representing ERCOT.

Lawsuits have already been filed against ERCOT in response to last week's crisis. It's unclear whether ERCOT, which falls under the PUC's jurisdiction, can be held liable by such suits: The Texas Supreme Court is expected to decide this year whether ERCOT is entitled to sovereign immunity, a legal principle that protects government agencies from lawsuits, after hearing another case that raised the question last year.

The board members were not all immediately available for comment or referred reporters to their resignation letters. In a joint letter to the rest of the board, the four unaffiliated directors cited the public concern that board members did not live in the state as the reason for their resignation. Ivey also cited not wanting to become a “distraction” from the more important response to the crisis in his letter.

“To allow state leaders a free hand with future direction and to eliminate distractions, we are resigning from the board,” Talberg, Cramton, Bulger and Hepper wrote in the resignation letter.

The board directors wrote that before they resign, they will launch the review of the power crisis.

“Our hearts go out to all Texans who have had to go without electricity, heat, and water during the frigid temperatures and continue to face the tragic consequences of this emergency,” they wrote. “We want what is best for ERCOT and for Texas."

Talberg, a former state utility regulator who served on the Michigan Public Utility Commission from 2013 to 2020, lives in Michigan. Talberg has sat on various state, regional and national boards and committees involving electricity, natural gas, oil, infrastructure and telecommunications issues. Cramton, a professor of economics at the University of Cologne and the University of Maryland, lives in Germany. Cramton has focused his research on electricity and financial markets. He has advised numerous governments and has been on the ERCOT board since 2015.

Bulger worked in the banking sector for 35 years, including various positions with ABN AMRO Bank in Canada, Europe and the U.S., and lives in Wheaton, Illinois. Hepper, a former litigator for the U.S. Department of Justice, retired in 2018 from working for the grid operator that manages the six-state New England electric system and wholesale markets.

Ivey, whose appointment was approved by ERCOT's members but was pending final approval from the PUC, is retired from more than three decades of experience in the utilities industry. He resides in Florida, according to an ERCOT announcement about his candidacy to the board. Most recently, he was the president of Consolidated Edison Co. of New York Inc., a subsidiary of Consolidated Edison Inc.

Anesetti-Parra oversees Just Energy’s North American residential and commercial regulatory affairs and compliance division and has two decades of experience in the retail energy sector.

ERCOT representatives did not return calls seeking comment, but in a statement it said: "We look forward to working with the Texas Legislature, and we thank the outgoing Board Members for their service."

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Quote:Democrats in DC are using the recent winter storm in Texas to attack Republicans by calling for investigations into how they handled the crisis and it’s all just to be able to push for their uber socialist climate change policies like the disastrous Green New Deal.

“Governor Abbott thought Texas could run an electrical grid that ignored the climate crisis,” Democratic Senate Leader Chuck Schumer tweeted. “It was not resilient.”

It is insufferable to listen to these watermelons go on about climate change, which in reality has zero evidence that mankind is causing the climate to change, lying to the American people by trying to convince them that had the state of Texas written up a socialist policy to combat climate change then the freezing winter storm would never have struck the Lone Star state. Are these people for real?

Schumer then called for a federal investigation to look into how the Republican governor’s policies “have failed and exacerbated the winter storm crisis.”

By what authority does the federal government have to interfere in the state of Texas’ internal affairs? I think what’s really going on is that the Democrats don’t want the public to learn that green technologies like their wind turbines are just not ready for the real world yet. They’re trying to blame natural gas as the cause for the power failures but it was the wind turbans that froze and stopped producing electricity. Also, it has been reported that natural gas was being consumed at an over 400% increased rate at the time during the winter storm. Never so quickly have I seen so many so-called “news” outlets spread the lie that it wasn’t wind turbines but fossil fuel natural gas that was the sole cause of the recent problems in Texas. Leave it to the Democrats to politicize this in order to keep their socialist agenda alive. Like COVID, the Democrats have wanted to use climate change as a cudgel to control people’s lives.

Texas was rocked by a winter storm of historic proportions that left millions of residents without power due to large power outages. The AP reported that the winter storm and the aftermath of power outages led to the deaths of at least 80 people.

President Biden recently declared Texas a disaster, which automates the process for federal aid to pour into the state. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) delivered over 1 million meals to Texas and the Defense Department has delivered more than 4 million liters of water.

Former failed Senate and failed presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke placed blame on Republicans, saying “those in power have failed us.”

“As with Covid, a natural disaster has become far deadlier due to the inaction & ineptitude of Abbott and Texas’ Republican leadership,” he tweeted. “This didn’t have to happen and doesn’t have to continue.”

These Democrats have no soul. How many thousands of people have died of COVID-19 since Biden took office? Should be we blame Biden for all of them since that’s what they did to Trump? To blame a winter storm on the lack of socialism is the definition of stupid.

You have to hand it to Democrats. They turn their own disasters into someone else’s and they do it with a straight face. They are now claiming that the power outages in Texas could have been avoided if the state had a greater reliance on renewable sources. I guess these pinheads missed all the images of the wind turbines frozen and not able to turn.

Sticking her nose where it doesn’t belong, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) put down her drink long enough to say that the House Energy and Commerce Committee is going to investigate with a special emphasis on looking “into it to see how things could have turned out better and will turn out better in the future.”

Committee Chairman Frank Pallone (D-NJ) said the committee would “investigate the Texas crisis further and we’ll see what other action we have to take.”

Do I detect revenge is coming to Texas for filing an election fraud lawsuit against three states that had more irregularities than the dying fart of a Gummy Bear?

“Ultimately, this episode underscores the importance of prioritizing clean and resilient energy infrastructure,” he said, according to The Hill.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott got the jump on Democrats exploiting the deaths of many Texans to push for socialist policies when he told Fox News that renewable sources failed in the state as well. The governor told Fox’s Sean Hannity that “this shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America.”

“Texas is blessed with multiple sources of energy, such as natural gas and oil and nuclear – as well as solar and wind,” he said. “But you saw … our wind and our solar got shut down, and they were collectively more than 10% of our power grid.”

Abbott argued that fossil fuels are necessary “for the state of Texas as well as other states to make sure we are able to heat our homes in the wintertime and cool our homes in the summertime.”

This is what it’s going to be like for at least the next two years, that is if the Democrats don’t use voting machines in 2022 that will ensure they win no matter how totalitarian they become. They are going to exploit anything they can to push their socialist agenda while attacking Republicans for things like the weather. These people are sick.

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ERCOT published the after action report. Let's look at this great failure of wind energy :

[Image: image.png]

Looks more like a failure of their ability to winterize their natural gas generators and supply systems.
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(05-04-2021 02:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  ERCOT published the after action report. Let's look at this great failure of wind energy :

[Image: image.png]

Looks more like a failure of their ability to winterize their natural gas generators and supply systems.

It points out how wind energy is inconsequential in solving the energy problem. Look at the demand surge that was initially met by gas. Wind didn't do anything to help the surge.

You can argue about what people said, but that graph is very telling.
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(05-04-2021 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  ERCOT published the after action report. Let's look at this great failure of wind energy :

[Image: image.png]

Looks more like a failure of their ability to winterize their natural gas generators and supply systems.

It points out how wind energy is inconsequential in solving the energy problem. Look at the demand surge that was initially met by gas. Wind didn't do anything to help the surge.

You can argue about what people said, but that graph is very telling.

That graph doesn't show demand, or any type of demand surge.

That graph shows the outage in capacity by source. So it shows the amount of wind, gas, coal, etc that was knocked offline by improper winterization, just plain weather, or fuel shortages caused by demand and winterization.

Early monday morning you hit 30GW of offline capacity of fossil fuel sources, and about 5GW of wind. This graph shows that while people tried to blame this on a "Failure of wind energy" the vast majority of the missing capacity from the ERCOT grid came from natural gas and other fossil fuels.
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(05-04-2021 02:31 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  ERCOT published the after action report. Let's look at this great failure of wind energy :

[Image: image.png]

Looks more like a failure of their ability to winterize their natural gas generators and supply systems.

It points out how wind energy is inconsequential in solving the energy problem. Look at the demand surge that was initially met by gas. Wind didn't do anything to help the surge.

You can argue about what people said, but that graph is very telling.

That graph doesn't show demand, or any type of demand surge.

That graph shows the outage in capacity by source. So it shows the amount of wind, gas, coal, etc that was knocked offline by improper winterization, just plain weather, or fuel shortages caused by demand and winterization.

Early monday morning you hit 30GW of offline capacity of fossil fuel sources, and about 5GW of wind. This graph shows that while people tried to blame this on a "Failure of wind energy" the vast majority of the missing capacity from the ERCOT grid came from natural gas and other fossil fuels.

You right. The graph is the flip of what I thought it said.
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RE: Widespread Power Outages in Texas as Renewable Energy FAILS
(05-04-2021 02:31 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  ERCOT published the after action report. Let's look at this great failure of wind energy :

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Looks more like a failure of their ability to winterize their natural gas generators and supply systems.

It points out how wind energy is inconsequential in solving the energy problem. Look at the demand surge that was initially met by gas. Wind didn't do anything to help the surge.

You can argue about what people said, but that graph is very telling.

That graph doesn't show demand, or any type of demand surge.

That graph shows the outage in capacity by source. So it shows the amount of wind, gas, coal, etc that was knocked offline by improper winterization, just plain weather, or fuel shortages caused by demand and winterization.

Early monday morning you hit 30GW of offline capacity of fossil fuel sources, and about 5GW of wind. This graph shows that while people tried to blame this on a "Failure of wind energy" the vast majority of the missing capacity from the ERCOT grid came from natural gas and other fossil fuels.

The graph is a joke. What it should show is what PERCENTAGE of output that was offline due to 1) systems being offline due to weather and B) systems being offline due to the incompetence of the Biden* administration not allowing the fossil generators to get up to speed in time.

By the time the surge hit, about 75%( if I remember correctly) of wind power was offline due to weather. Bidens* incompetence prevented the fossil fuel generators from getting activated in time. Without Bidens incompetence, most of the coal generation would have been fine and been able to handle the surge even with wind being offline.
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RE: Widespread Power Outages in Texas as Renewable Energy FAILS
(05-04-2021 08:13 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:31 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 02:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  ERCOT published the after action report. Let's look at this great failure of wind energy :

[Image: image.png]

Looks more like a failure of their ability to winterize their natural gas generators and supply systems.

It points out how wind energy is inconsequential in solving the energy problem. Look at the demand surge that was initially met by gas. Wind didn't do anything to help the surge.

You can argue about what people said, but that graph is very telling.

That graph doesn't show demand, or any type of demand surge.

That graph shows the outage in capacity by source. So it shows the amount of wind, gas, coal, etc that was knocked offline by improper winterization, just plain weather, or fuel shortages caused by demand and winterization.

Early monday morning you hit 30GW of offline capacity of fossil fuel sources, and about 5GW of wind. This graph shows that while people tried to blame this on a "Failure of wind energy" the vast majority of the missing capacity from the ERCOT grid came from natural gas and other fossil fuels.

The graph is a joke. What it should show is what PERCENTAGE of output that was offline due to 1) systems being offline due to weather and B) systems being offline due to the incompetence of the Biden* administration not allowing the fossil generators to get up to speed in time.

By the time the surge hit, about 75%( if I remember correctly) of wind power was offline due to weather. Bidens* incompetence prevented the fossil fuel generators from getting activated in time. Without Bidens incompetence, most of the coal generation would have been fine and been able to handle the surge even with wind being offline.

Did you submit your resume to ERCOT yet smart guy? You always think you know more about power than them, since that is their graph. FYI they probably won’t take it written in crayon.
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RE: Widespread Power Outages in Texas as Renewable Energy FAILS
Texas free market power grid needs to be bailed out to keep generators running, and prevent consumers from getting hit with crippling cost.

Quote:The big financial losers and winners since February have sparked a financial crisis in Texas’ electricity market that lawmakers have struggled to contend with; rescue bills to prevent companies from shuttering generation and staving off pass-through costs to customers are expected to be taken up by the Texas House on Monday.

Quote: An updated analysis of February’s Texas power crisis by experts at the Electric Reliability Council of Texas shows that lost wind power generation was a small component of the huge losses in electric generation that plunged much of the state into darkness during the severe cold weather.

While Texas Republicans were quick to blame renewable energy during the storm — and have continued to target renewable energy for reform during this year’s legislative session — a recently updated report on the causes of generator outages during the week of Feb. 14 show that the most significant cause of the low power supply to the grid came from natural gas plants shutting down or reducing electricity production due to cold weather, equipment failures and natural gas shortages.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/04/28/...tage-wind/
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