(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

It's not just on abortion Catholics are Liberal on. Go down the list between Conservative viewpoint & Liberal viewpoint. Catholics will favor the Liberal point as a whole

Plus, the method to Liberal's madness isn't to uphold existing laws & you know it.

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

They care more about what the government tells them to think & virtue signaling then anything Christ actually calls his followers to do.

Roman Catholicism in general is one of the most liberal denominations in Christianity. Its also the largest by a mile. Of course there are some very conservative Catholics, but most are extremely liberal in their faith and practice of it.

Too many of them are not even Christians and do not even know what salvation is. They think simply being a Catholic saves them, much like Jews used to think simply being a Jew saved them.

Both the OT and NT strongly rebukes this belief but most of them have no interest in the Bible either.

Definitely. I feel like I could be a member of most Protestant beliefs, but Catholicism (& Catholics themselves as a whole) irk me so much.

Liberal Christians like to think of themselves as a Christian as long as they can mostly fill in the blanks themselves and live their life how they see fit.

Jesus and the Apostles were STRONGLY against such an approach and view.

It denies the very core doctrine of what salvation and Christianity is. If you truly believe Jesus willingly died on the cross for your sin and rose again, then HOW you live your life and faith is EVERYTHING.

(02-22-2021 02:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

They care more about what the government tells them to think & virtue signaling then anything Christ actually calls his followers to do.

Roman Catholicism in general is one of the most liberal denominations in Christianity. Its also the largest by a mile. Of course there are some very conservative Catholics, but most are extremely liberal in their faith and practice of it.

Too many of them are not even Christians and do not even know what salvation is. They think simply being a Catholic saves them, much like Jews used to think simply being a Jew saved them.

Both the OT and NT strongly rebukes this belief but most of them have no interest in the Bible either.

Definitely. I feel like I could be a member of most Protestant beliefs, but Catholicism (& Catholics themselves as a whole) irk me so much.

Liberal Christians like to think of themselves as a Christian as long as they can mostly fill in the blanks themselves and live their life how they see fit.

Jesus and the Apostles were STRONGLY against such an approach and view.

It denies the very core doctrine of what salvation and Christianity is. If you truly believe Jesus willingly died on the cross for your sin and rose again, then HOW you live your life and faith is EVERYTHING.

Right. They think if they vote a senile old man into office b/c he says he's a Catholic too, & buy from a multi-million dollar company that says 'be a good person', & go to Mass on Christmas & maybe Easter, they're being a devout Christian themselves.

(02-22-2021 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

That's the whole point in a nutshell.

President Biden is not a Catholic.
Catholic Joe Biden is not the President.

The two need to be separated...as the founders intended.

Well you are dead wrong on this.

Under no circumstance can a Christian put his faith aside. It would be one thing if Biden said he was personally against abortion in most cases, but he will uphold the current law. Its a far different thing to say he believes abortion is morally right.

That is the problem with the left on this issue, they think the more moral position is wide open abortion. That is the righteous position in their view, its a woman's right and it would be immoral to deny that for her.

IN fact as we saw in the recent SCOTUS confirmations, protecting mass abortion is the single biggest moral issue for the left when its comes to the SCOTUS.

The point in a nutshell is this IMO:

Catholic Joe Biden is President
Catholics support abortion

Plus you can throw in the agnostics/atheists that are definitely pro-abortion, & you double Biden's incentive to not be against abortion. He's got 2 big voting blocks screaming at him to be pro-abortion.

The idea that "oh Joe Biden just supports abortion b/c the law says it's okay' is a trick to mislead pro-lifers into jumping to the pro-abortion camp.

(02-22-2021 02:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

That's the whole point in a nutshell.

President Biden is not a Catholic.
Catholic Joe Biden is not the President.

The two need to be separated...as the founders intended.

Well you are dead wrong on this.

Under no circumstance can a Christian put his faith aside. It would be one thing if Biden said he was personally against abortion in most cases, but he will uphold the current law. Its a far different thing to say he believes abortion is morally right.

That is the problem with the left on this issue, they think the more moral position is wide open abortion. That is the righteous position in their view, its a woman's right and it would be immoral to deny that for her.

So, if we elect a Muslim, you'd be fine with him or her ruling America per their religious faith?

Yeah...didn't think so. So yeah, I'm 100% correct on this.

And nobody is telling him to put his faith aside. But he's running a business if you will in the country, not a church. Peruse the first amendment when you get a chance.

(02-22-2021 02:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The point in a nutshell is this IMO:

Catholic Joe Biden is President
Catholics support abortion

Plus you can throw in the agnostics/atheists that are definitely pro-abortion, & you double Biden's incentive to not be against abortion. He's got 2 big voting blocks screaming at him to be pro-abortion.

The idea that "oh Joe Biden just supports abortion b/c the law says it's okay' is a trick to mislead pro-lifers into jumping to the pro-abortion camp.

Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

(02-22-2021 02:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The point in a nutshell is this IMO:

Catholic Joe Biden is President
Catholics support abortion

Plus you can throw in the agnostics/atheists that are definitely pro-abortion, & you double Biden's incentive to not be against abortion. He's got 2 big voting blocks screaming at him to be pro-abortion.

The idea that "oh Joe Biden just supports abortion b/c the law says it's okay' is a trick to mislead pro-lifers into jumping to the pro-abortion camp.

Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

Get your head out of the sand & go to an abortion rally, dude.

(02-22-2021 02:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

That's the whole point in a nutshell.

President Biden is not a Catholic.
Catholic Joe Biden is not the President.

The two need to be separated...as the founders intended.

Well you are dead wrong on this.

Under no circumstance can a Christian put his faith aside. It would be one thing if Biden said he was personally against abortion in most cases, but he will uphold the current law. Its a far different thing to say he believes abortion is morally right.

That is the problem with the left on this issue, they think the more moral position is wide open abortion. That is the righteous position in their view, its a woman's right and it would be immoral to deny that for her.

So, if we elect a Muslim, you'd be fine with him or her ruling America per their religious faith?

Yeah...didn't think so. So yeah, I'm 100% correct on this.

And nobody is telling him to put his faith aside. But he's running a business if you will in the country, not a church. Peruse the first amendment when you get a chance.

His "faith" calls he supports abortion so I think it makes sense what he's doing.

His "faith" calls for wide open abortion.

(02-22-2021 02:54 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The point in a nutshell is this IMO:

Catholic Joe Biden is President
Catholics support abortion

Plus you can throw in the agnostics/atheists that are definitely pro-abortion, & you double Biden's incentive to not be against abortion. He's got 2 big voting blocks screaming at him to be pro-abortion.

The idea that "oh Joe Biden just supports abortion b/c the law says it's okay' is a trick to mislead pro-lifers into jumping to the pro-abortion camp.

Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

Get your head out of the sand & go to an abortion rally, dude.

Just stop. They are for abortion rights. The right to have one if they choose.

(02-22-2021 02:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

That's the whole point in a nutshell.

President Biden is not a Catholic.
Catholic Joe Biden is not the President.

The two need to be separated...as the founders intended.

Well you are dead wrong on this.

Under no circumstance can a Christian put his faith aside. It would be one thing if Biden said he was personally against abortion in most cases, but he will uphold the current law. Its a far different thing to say he believes abortion is morally right.

That is the problem with the left on this issue, they think the more moral position is wide open abortion. That is the righteous position in their view, its a woman's right and it would be immoral to deny that for her.

So, if we elect a Muslim, you'd be fine with him or her ruling America per their religious faith?

Yeah...didn't think so. So yeah, I'm 100% correct on this.

And nobody is telling him to put his faith aside. But he's running a business if you will in the country, not a church. Peruse the first amendment when you get a chance.

No, you are 100% wrong on this and grossly dishonest as usual.

No one argued the first amendment should not be upheld, or any law for that matter.

A Muslim president should uphold his faith and say when he/she thinks something is immoral or not in his/her view, but still respect and work within the law.

I am curious where you're getting that Catholics support abortion rights.

I believe they're mostly split 50/50, which is less than the nation as a whole IIRC.

(02-22-2021 02:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

Oh shut up already, you are such a pathological liar.

(02-22-2021 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:54 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The point in a nutshell is this IMO:

Catholic Joe Biden is President
Catholics support abortion

Plus you can throw in the agnostics/atheists that are definitely pro-abortion, & you double Biden's incentive to not be against abortion. He's got 2 big voting blocks screaming at him to be pro-abortion.

The idea that "oh Joe Biden just supports abortion b/c the law says it's okay' is a trick to mislead pro-lifers into jumping to the pro-abortion camp.

Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

Get your head out of the sand & go to an abortion rally, dude.

Just stop. They are for abortion rights. The right to have one if they choose.

One? Or ten? Hey, I guess if you've had 20 & are proud of it, more power to them, right? I don't want to hear them lecture about them being holier than I then.

Bottom line tho: I'd expect nothing less from Biden or any Catholic on the matter.

(02-22-2021 02:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

That's the whole point in a nutshell.

President Biden is not a Catholic.
Catholic Joe Biden is not the President.

The two need to be separated...as the founders intended.

Well you are dead wrong on this.

Under no circumstance can a Christian put his faith aside. It would be one thing if Biden said he was personally against abortion in most cases, but he will uphold the current law. Its a far different thing to say he believes abortion is morally right.

That is the problem with the left on this issue, they think the more moral position is wide open abortion. That is the righteous position in their view, its a woman's right and it would be immoral to deny that for her.

So, if we elect a Muslim, you'd be fine with him or her ruling America per their religious faith?

Yeah...didn't think so. So yeah, I'm 100% correct on this.

And nobody is telling him to put his faith aside. But he's running a business if you will in the country, not a church. Peruse the first amendment when you get a chance.

No, you are 100% wrong on this and grossly dishonest as usual.

You're nothing more than a clown.

Piss off. I'm expressing my opinion. If you can't handle it, stop replying to me.

(02-22-2021 03:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:54 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The point in a nutshell is this IMO:

Catholic Joe Biden is President
Catholics support abortion

Plus you can throw in the agnostics/atheists that are definitely pro-abortion, & you double Biden's incentive to not be against abortion. He's got 2 big voting blocks screaming at him to be pro-abortion.

The idea that "oh Joe Biden just supports abortion b/c the law says it's okay' is a trick to mislead pro-lifers into jumping to the pro-abortion camp.

Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

Get your head out of the sand & go to an abortion rally, dude.

Just stop. They are for abortion rights. The right to have one if they choose.

One? Or ten? Hey, I guess if you've had 20 & are proud of it, more power to them, right?

Now you're just being ridiculous. Either discuss the issue calmly and rationally or stop.

(02-22-2021 03:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 03:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:54 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nobody is pro-abortion. I don't know of anyone cheering for more abortions.

Get your head out of the sand & go to an abortion rally, dude.

Just stop. They are for abortion rights. The right to have one if they choose.

One? Or ten? Hey, I guess if you've had 20 & are proud of it, more power to them, right?

Now you're just being ridiculous. Either discuss the issue calmly and rationally or stop.

It happens at your abortion rallys. Own it!

(02-22-2021 02:33 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most Catholics I know are VERY liberal. Look at their damn pope for example.

That has less to do with it than understanding that just because you may not agree with a particular topic based on religious beliefs, that doesn't mean that as the leader of a country that is neither Catholic nor Christian, you get to prevent others from choices that you wouldn't necessarily make.

It's not just on abortion Catholics are Liberal on. Go down the list between Conservative viewpoint & Liberal viewpoint. Catholics will favor the Liberal point as a whole

Plus, the method to Liberal's madness isn't to uphold existing laws & you know it.

I think it's pretty clear that on the issue of abortion in this country, upholding existing law is precisely the point. Repubs are the ones who keep trying to move the lines around.

Re: catholics being more liberal in general, if you want to say liberal compared to say, a southern baptist/other evangelical sects, sure. But that's not saying much.

(02-22-2021 03:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That's the whole point in a nutshell.

President Biden is not a Catholic.
Catholic Joe Biden is not the President.

The two need to be separated...as the founders intended.

Well you are dead wrong on this.

Under no circumstance can a Christian put his faith aside. It would be one thing if Biden said he was personally against abortion in most cases, but he will uphold the current law. Its a far different thing to say he believes abortion is morally right.

That is the problem with the left on this issue, they think the more moral position is wide open abortion. That is the righteous position in their view, its a woman's right and it would be immoral to deny that for her.

So, if we elect a Muslim, you'd be fine with him or her ruling America per their religious faith?

Yeah...didn't think so. So yeah, I'm 100% correct on this.

And nobody is telling him to put his faith aside. But he's running a business if you will in the country, not a church. Peruse the first amendment when you get a chance.

No, you are 100% wrong on this and grossly dishonest as usual.

You're nothing more than a clown.

Piss off. I'm expressing my opinion. If you can't handle it, stop replying to me.

Cry me a river.

Your response was grossly dishonest. Too bad if you don't like me calling you out on it.

(02-22-2021 03:06 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  I think it's pretty clear that on the issue of abortion in this country, upholding existing law is precisely the point. Repubs are the ones who keep trying to move the lines around.

That is how democracy works, people can fight to legally change a law if they think it should be changed.