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https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/what-about...er-devine/

"...Veteran New York criminal-defense lawyer Steven Metcalf, representing 25-year-old Jake Lang, who is facing federal riot charges, says he never has seen such heavy-handed treatment of defendants outside of “international drug-kingpin clients.”

Lang also was transferred to DC in the dead of night without his lawyers being informed...."

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Calling for no double standard where BLM rioters are lauded and have get out of jail free cards.

"...Fine. If Biden has decided we are to become a zero-tolerance law and order nation, there are advantage in a crime-free society if you don’t mind writing off everyone who makes a mistake.

But in reality, we are doing the opposite, creating a two-tier justice system that punishes only the political enemies of the left.

It’s as if the Dems want to create a class of people with nothing to lose."
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Merrick Garland referred to them as 'white supremacists'.

I will admit to not paying a lot of attention to the thousands of videos and things out there, but I don't recall 'racism' being a fundamental part of the protests.... unless you simply label everything that doesn't support liberals to be 'racist'. Am I wrong?
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Everything that doesn't support liberals IS racist. C'mon man.
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(02-22-2021 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Merrick Garland referred to them as 'white supremacists'.

I will admit to not paying a lot of attention to the thousands of videos and things out there, but I don't recall 'racism' being a fundamental part of the protests.... unless you simply label everything that doesn't support liberals to be 'racist'. Am I wrong?

No. You aren't wrong.

But that's the theme of the week. ABC has some capitol policeman coming up on a talk show talking about how racist the protestors were (seems like that would be against the rules of his department).
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(02-22-2021 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Merrick Garland referred to them as 'white supremacists'.

I will admit to not paying a lot of attention to the thousands of videos and things out there, but I don't recall 'racism' being a fundamental part of the protests.... unless you simply label everything that doesn't support liberals to be 'racist'. Am I wrong?

Try to be less white Hambone. Get with the program here.
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I intend to be MORE white from now on.
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It is staggeringly obvious that there are two sets of rules in play right now. Destruction of Federal Property, and destruction of Federal Property within DC limits is apparently two very different things.

Either round up and start putting those sh*t heads from the NW and other cities in f-ing jail, or let these people from the 1/6 event out of jail.
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(02-22-2021 11:48 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It is staggeringly obvious that there are two sets of rules in play right now. Destruction of Federal Property, and destruction of Federal Property within DC limits is apparently two very different things.

Either round up and start putting those sh*t heads from the NW and other cities in f-ing jail, or let these people from the 1/6 event out of jail.

You know what really makes me mad. Its worse than the left/right double standard. Its that when it affects political critters they care. They basically tell the rest of us to go to hell and try to make our cities hell.
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Throw the book at those traitors.
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(02-22-2021 11:47 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I intend to be MORE white from now on.

I intend to be the same "zero fu cks given" self I've always been.
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(02-22-2021 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Merrick Garland referred to them as 'white supremacists'.

I will admit to not paying a lot of attention to the thousands of videos and things out there, but I don't recall 'racism' being a fundamental part of the protests.... unless you simply label everything that doesn't support liberals to be 'racist'. Am I wrong?

Oh that is EXACTLY what is going on. Problem is, you tell a kid he's "a bad kid" long enough... you know what you get in the end???
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Quote:It’s as if the Dems want to create a class of people with nothing to lose.

If this is indeed the plan, and they are successful, this is when the bloodshed starts.
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These people need to be charged, but most appear to be law abiding citizens who got caught up in the moment. They need to be charged and punished, but they need to be charged with the level of crime committed (trespassing) and treated like any other trespassing perpetrator. The idea that the these people threatened our democracy is asinine. The only people "threatening our democracy" are currently running congress, running Big Tech, working in the mainstream liberal propaganda business, or sitting in the White House.
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(02-22-2021 11:58 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Throw the book at those traitors.

It's treason. The death penalty should be in play.
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Quote:Six Capitol policemen were suspended and thirty-five more are under investigation for allowing protesters into the Capitol Building on January 6th of this year.

This is great news for those charged with ente3rintg the building. Not necessarily all of them but the vast majority can now plead entrapment. Those who may have actually broken into the Capitol and who committed vandalism could still be in trouble.

But consider this. people who were admitted into the Capitol by the police and who did not commit any other crimes cannot be prosecuted.

Anyone not on video forcing their way into the Capitol could also claim they entered with the permission of the police and those who committed acts of vandalism but weren’t caught on video could also plead entrapment.

You cannot assume that someone who was allowed into the building would have broken in anyway.

It is reasonable for anyone being allowed in by the police to assume they were doing nothing wrong. Many of them never would have entered the building had not the police opened the doors and allowed them to walk in.

That is the very definition of entrapment. Police cannot lure you into doing something you normally would not do. That is an illegal act and although there is no criminal penalty for it, it is a legal defense.





Notice that after the police removed the barricades, the crowd did not go wild,. They are seen walking towards the building. in a fairly orderly fashion.

At the Capitol Building itself, police opened doors and watched as the protesters quietly walked into the building. Of course, there were those who committed vandalism inside and outside the building and they cannot claim entrapment.




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Not it's not Poly.
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Quote:After the January 6 Capitol riot, Wikipedia editors distorted the facts of the event and even categorized it as a “coup” despite objections. Editors have also misrepresented the fraud allegations surrounding the 2020 election and supporting evidence in order to discredit them. Several editors have even been banned due to comments criticizing Wikipedia’s bias on each subject.

Many Wikipedia editors have also pushed for other inflammatory characterizations of Trump’s election challenges and the Capitol protests and riot, though the worst characterizations have generally not been presented as fact due to intensely divided discussions.

Disputes over how to characterize the Capitol riot were the first battle on Wikipedia about the subject, a battle which began as the Capitol storming occurred and in its immediate aftermath. Initially, the article referred to the event as a Trump rally before the page was retitled to call them “protests” and then settling on “2021 storming of the United States Capitol” as the current title. Several editors had created articles on the event within the same hour. One referred to it as a “coup d’état attempt” and another called the protests “riots” in the title.

Characterization disputes over the Capitol storming continued beyond just disagreements over the article title. Editors have also categorized the page under “coup attempts” and added several navigation boxes listing it as one of several “coup attempts” at the bottom of the page. One editor even created a category specifically for “coups d’état and coup attempts in the United States” to add to the page, though the category stretched the meaning to include coups in the territory of the modern United States, even when the coups preceded the existence of the country. When one editor tried to remove the coup categorizations, Travis Mason-Bushmann or “NorthBySouthBaranof” on Wikipedia, restored them.

Editors have had nearly a dozen discussions on renaming the article since it was moved to its current title. Some were closed for procedural reasons, while others saw discussion stale-mating or rejecting specific alternatives such as “riot” with the current title remaining. Despite the page being categorized under “coups” and having several coup-related navigation boxes, an “ongoing analysis” of sourcing on the article’s discussion page argues against coup as the proper term for the storming of the Capitol with no clear consensus on alternatives. However, editors have also not agreed on halting rename discussions.

The contentious debate over describing the violence at the Capitol protests and subsequent storming of the building has prompted several editors to be sanctioned for criticizing harsher labels. Editor “Display name 99” objected to calling the protests “riots” by noting protests last year following the police-involved death of George Floyd were not labeled as such on Wikipedia despite much greater violence and destruction than at the Capitol. Display also defended the Proud Boys group who engaged in some of the violence at the Capitol as mostly acting in self-defense and stated their concerns about the election were more legitimate than the complaints of the Black Lives Matter movement.

For these comments, an editor reported Display arguing the editor should be banned indefinitely for supporting “a known white supremacist group” and using a “racist talking point” because he unfavorably referenced globalism in his remarks. One editor jumped to support the ban by claiming Display was “not here to edit an encyclopedia” only to retract the remark after realizing Display had brought three articles on American Presidents up to “featured” status on Wikipedia, the site’s highest quality standard. While the discussion was initially divided, an administrator banned Display after he expressed support for most of the protestors who stormed the Capitol.

Although claiming the ban was not about Display’s politics, editors have previously supported left-wing violence with impunity. One socialist editor celebrated Antifa terrorist Willem van Spronsen’s attack on an ICE detention facility. Guy Chapman, then an administrator with special privileges on Wikipedia, responded to the Antifa murder of Trump supporter Aaron Danielson by calling Danielson a “fascist” with administrator Doug Weller seemingly agreeing. Support for Antifa is common among editors frequenting the page. Chapman resigned as an administrator late last year after banning an Antifa opponent from the group’s page in apparent violation of site policy, though he denied his resignation was related and suggested it was temporary.

In another discussion about labeling the Capitol storming “terrorism” one editor objected that being neutral would mean also labeling last year’s rioting terrorism. The editor subsequently stated that the motives of the “two different rioting mobs” were irrelevant and this comment was removed by administrator Michel Aaij, known as “Drmies” on Wikipedia, invoking the “mostly peaceful protests” defense for Black Lives Matter. When editor “PailSimon” repeatedly restored the comment stating Aaij was “not allowed to censor” such opinions, Aaij retorted “yes I am” and temporarily suspended PailSimon’s account. Subsequent discussion largely endorsed Aaij’s actions with left-wing editors even suggesting banning PailSimon, though some editors stated Aaij’s use of his privileges violated policy.

Other than the naming and characterization of the Capitol protests and associated violence, Trump’s speech the same day is also misrepresented with the page’s introduction using the quote “fight like hell” without noting the context was Trump discussing his campaign’s efforts to contest the election. When editors objected to this misrepresentation or suggested noting his stated expectation that people would only engage in peaceful protesting, others rejected these requests by claiming sources deemed “reliable” on Wikipedia did not regularly place the comments in that context. Such arguments follow an understanding of Wikipedia’s verifiability policy that argues “verifiability, not truth” should determine article content.

Feuding over misrepresentation of Trump’s remarks also got editors sanctioned. Editor “Alalch Emis” suggested if sources deemed reliable on Wikipedia were frequently distorting Trump’s remarks, then they should weigh that bias in favor of including more accurate context. Numerous editors again objected that Wikipedia goes by “reliable” sources and claimed this was arguing for prohibited “original research” by “analyzing” sources. When Alalch defended against this claim by stating this was only about noting the more accurate reporting, another editor cited a mocking essay about how to behave on Wikipedia when outnumbered. After Alalch rejected the essay as “pompous” the editor who cited it repeatedly removed the response as a “personal attack” until an administrator temporarily suspended Alalch’s account over “civility” claims.

Bias also affected Wikipedia’s page on Trump’s impeachment trial with the section on the constitutionality of trying former officials extensively detailing legal views supporting the trial’s constitutionality with just one line noting disagreement exists. Sections on the opening and closing arguments of the trial uncritically repeated claims of Democrat House impeachment managers, while Trump’s lawyers were characterized as making “false and misleading” statements. Multiple instances where Trump’s lawyers proved Democrats manipulated evidence, including by repeating the “Charlottesville hoax” to claim Trump had a history of supporting violence and white supremacy, were essentially unmentioned. The closing argument section was cited almost entirely to CNN, an outlet left-wing Wikipedia editors have routinely protected.

Previously, Wikipedia editors misrepresented allegations of election irregularities. In the introduction of the article on the 2020 election, legal challenges and efforts to delay certification to allow for investigations are suggested to have been “an attempted coup.” Among the election fraud claims, the article states a postal worker who told Project Veritas he overheard a postal official talking about back-dating ballots sent after election day “admitted he had fabricated the claim.” However, audio provided by Project Veritas suggested federal agents tried to pressure the worker into changing his statement, but he only allowed that he could have misunderstood. The postal worker nonetheless stood by his original statement to Project Veritas.

Lawsuits regarding the election were similarly misrepresented with one article’s section about a Philadelphia election lawsuit claiming Trump’s lawyers falsely stated election observers were not present during ballot-counting. The lawyer actually objected that only a few Republicans were allowed relative to Democrat observers and were too far away to properly discern what was happening. An article about Trump’s January call to Georgia’s Secretary of State claimed in the introduction that Trump pressured the Secretary into “finding him votes” without noting Trump’s comments were in the context of him calling for more stringent ballot signature verification and citing evidence of fraud, which he believed once investigated would disqualify enough Biden votes for him to win the state.

Similar to the case of the Capitol storming, disputes over election fraud claims got editors supporting right-wing views sanctioned. Editor “Pkeets” was reported last year after accusing editors of bias for smearing attorney Sidney Powell over her controversial lawsuits alleging voting machine fraud. The report also cited Pkeets stating in mid-November that Joe Biden should not be called “President-elect” until confirmed by the Electoral College and merely mentioning in an article a group set up to investigate fraud. Many editors called for banning both Pkeets and the reporting editor, who they claimed was regularly combative, from political articles. However, Aaij closed the discussion claiming support was only sufficient for banning Pkeets.

Wikipedia’s 2020 election coverage received considerable praise from corporate media, who increasingly push Wikipedia’s “reliability” against “fake news” online in keeping with messaging suggested to the site’s owners by the firm belonging to the Clinton Foundation’s public relations head. However, just as Wikipedia editors backed Antifa and the Black Lives Matter movement, they also favored the Biden campaign in keeping with a left-wing bias identified on Wikipedia in numerous studies and analysis and by Wikipedia’s own co-founder. This included censoring coverage of Biden family corruption allegations leading up to the election with relevant pages seeing traffic exceeding the number of votes that decided the outcome.

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(02-22-2021 11:58 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Throw the book at those traitors.

I'd like to throw "a" book at you. The biggest I can find.
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