(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:03 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2021 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2021 10:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Old Dazzy once dreamt a slew of vivacious ladies on a bachelorette bash in Nastyville visited his swanky condo high above the unwashed masses. We drank craft whiskey, smoked cigars and listed to the crooning of Sammy Davis Jr.

Then, and after the chinless wizard was hammered on booze, the ladies took me on a pedal tavern ride through the city before we stopped at 9 p.m. at the Florida-Georgia Line bar and got crazy. At about 11 p.m., Dazz asked/insulted one of the employees why the joint wasn't playing Dropkick Murphys music (instead of that "garbage" FGL drivel) and was promptly escorted from the premises. Stunningly, the ladies, in solidarity, walked out with me and we then visited House of Cards (across the street) for some close-up magic. Then back to Club Dazzlebury we strolled at midnight.

At this point the dream is about to get insane when ... boom. I awaken to the reality that I've fallen asleep in my bed solo, wearing my shoes, urine-soaked trousers and a pigeon-feces-stained Greek fisherman's cap.

Welcome to NashVegas.

This makes me want to visit Club Dazzlebury!!!

And you would be welcomed. Over a tasty craft beer, we could discuss the topic "Brad Daugherty vs. Eric Montross: Who was better for the Heels?"

Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:03 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2021 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  This makes me want to visit Club Dazzlebury!!!

And you would be welcomed. Over a tasty craft beer, we could discuss the topic "Brad Daugherty vs. Eric Montross: Who was better for the Heels?"

Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

(02-20-2021 02:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:03 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2021 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  This makes me want to visit Club Dazzlebury!!!

And you would be welcomed. Over a tasty craft beer, we could discuss the topic "Brad Daugherty vs. Eric Montross: Who was better for the Heels?"

Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel. I also strongly enjoyed watching Sean May. I played youth basketball in the 1970s and was a back-to-the-basket "big man." I loved Kareem and Bill Walton back then (they remain my two all-time faves). So I like Daughtery's style. Montross was a very underrated college player but for some odd reason I found his crewcut hairstyle offputting. That's rather sad but I have to be honest about it.

You might not recall too well when Dean Smith was leading UNC. I enjoyed watching his teams (the four corners offense notwithstanding).

I remember the Dean well! I was just too young to remember 1986 haha.

And you better respect the crewcut and the work ethic!

I loved the EM work ethic. He always gave 110%.

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:03 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2021 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  This makes me want to visit Club Dazzlebury!!!

And you would be welcomed. Over a tasty craft beer, we could discuss the topic "Brad Daugherty vs. Eric Montross: Who was better for the Heels?"

Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Great point, Quo. I agree. I recall watching that game and just checked the box score for "old time's sake." Uwe Blab had the "second best" game statistically for Indiana (with Stew Robinson).

The untold story. Indiana played nine players in that contest — eight who are white and five white starters. Bob Knight and the Hoosiers beat a team with Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins, Kenny Smith and Brad Daugherty starting. Hard to fathom.

As as long-time fan of both IU and UNC — and as a white man who has Black immediate family relatives ... let's not fool ourselves. That Indiana victory was stunning on various levels. I have talked to various family members and Black co-workers about this game. It ranks among the most culturally noteworthy in college hoops history.

Bob Knight was a you-know-what on many levels. But he was a brilliant strategist. You don't beat Dean Smith and future NBA players with a bunch of schmoes unless you know your stuff.

(02-20-2021 02:22 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 06:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 03:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 03:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2021 04:01 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The "Old" Big East worked so well because it did what no other conference could do: it dominated watercooler conversation in the largest & wealthiest city in the country.

With 3 schools in the metro area, plus Syracuse & UConn, the old Big East was the only conference that could accomplish that.

The only conference even close to that dominance with any megalopolis is the Big Ten's dominance of Chicago. The Big 10 has 3 giant schools within 2 hours, plus a school in the city itself. But Chicago is less than half the size of New York.

You could make an argument that the SEC has a lot of pull in Atlanta, or the Big 12 has a lot of pull in Dallas, or the PAC has a lot of pull in San Francisco. But New York is as big as Atlanta, DFW, and the whole Bay Area combined.

But what about UCLA and USC, both in Los Angeles? The Pac-12 in L.A. is a rather big deal. But, admittedly, I doubt it ever was as big a deal as the Big East had been in NYC back in its glory days. Plus, the Apple has 6 million more people in its MSA population area than L.A.

I recall when I lived in Chicago (1987-1993) that the Big Ten was a huge deal in the Windy City. I assume it still is.

My impression of LA is that the PAC is the only college game in town, but few people care about it.

A UCLA fan in Los Angeles is about as isolated as a UK fan in Cincinnati, or a Memphis fan in Nashville - every office has one or two of them, but around the watercooler they're sort of seen as the oddball who cares about something completely different than everyone else does.

But I could be wrong. I lived in San Diego, not LA. San Diego was certainly that way about college sports (although the Aztecs were the hometown team).

Some valid points. I have a friend (a big college football fan) who lived in L.A. for about 10 years (from roughly 2000 to 2010). He attended a handful of UCLA and USC football games and noted the overall lack of passion (compared to what you would see in college towns from other P5 programs). L.A. is such an international city. Lots of folks living there have minimal (if any) interest in college sports.

As to your overall point ...

... living in Nashville and having once taught part-time at HBCU Tennessee State University, I saw first-hand in the city's African-American community a genuine and rather significant interest in Memphis Tiger hoops. Lots of Nashville's Black citizens have a personal connection to the City of Memphis and like the Tigers. As such, your "water cooler" hypothetical (though accurate overall) does not apply well in this specific case.

As a long-time Vanderbilt fan, I often find myself in the minority in Nashville. There are more Tennessee fans here than Vandy fans and, even more so, lots of folks who cheer for other schools (including for those in leagues outside the SEC). However, if you drive an hour from here to, say, Tullahoma ... a significant percentage of college sports fans living in that town are Big Orange fans from what I've been told.

As a native Angeleno, I know L.A. is a Lakers and Dodgers town and will be so forever. The rest whether they’re pro or college will get attention if they’re winning. USC under Pete Carroll was the hottest ticket in town and had Hollywood all over it but the bad hires they made since then plus the return of the NFL with not just one but two teams means USC has to win big these days in order to get the following they used to get. The same applies to UCLA basketball. They’re the only blueblood that shares the same city with a NBA royalty team. Los Angeles (L.A., Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and Ventura counties) has two NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS, NHL and P5 teams. Add the great weather and the myriad of things to do outdoors and it’s easy to see why they’re not as passionate when the local teams struggle on the field and court.

Extremely well put, UTEPDallas. Agree fully.

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:03 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  And you would be welcomed. Over a tasty craft beer, we could discuss the topic "Brad Daugherty vs. Eric Montross: Who was better for the Heels?"

Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

Agree. BD was a fantastic post player. It was a treat to watch him play.

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:03 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  And you would be welcomed. Over a tasty craft beer, we could discuss the topic "Brad Daugherty vs. Eric Montross: Who was better for the Heels?"

Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

Apparently Indiana left all they had on the floor that night because they lost the very next game to Virginia. Was that the game Dakich guarded Jordan?

(02-21-2021 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

I believe he was his own worst enemy at times. Look at the loss to Marquette in the 70’s.

Had Wallace and Stack stayed one more season, that lineup would have been one of the greatest of all-time. I have to think they would have cruised to the Final 4.

(02-21-2021 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 08:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Oooh. BD was a little before my memory can recall. I know him more as a Cleveland Cav.

Montross I remember vividly, bloody in all his glory. I also remember the frustration he gave my father as we watched together. I seem to remember it was the free throw line particularly.

BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

Agree. I hate to write too much positive about Dean Smith. Even when UVA or Maryland had a power team, the Tar Heels would win more than their fair share. Nevertheless...If the NCAA tournament would have changed from win-or-go-home to best-of-3/5, then Dean Smith teams probably would have won a half-dozen championships.

I believe that the back-up to Brad Daugherty was Warren Martin. A seven footer from Virginia that Terry Holland sought. Smith was just an amazing recruiter.

(02-21-2021 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Apparently Indiana left all they had on the floor that night because they lost the very next game to Virginia. Was that the game Dakich guarded Jordan?

Likely. Although, no one could really guard Jordan. It’s just that Smith wouldn’t allow players to deviate from his team-first style.

From looking at the box score, that looks like the game that Steve Alford made his reputation.

(02-21-2021 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Apparently Indiana left all they had on the floor that night because they lost the very next game to Virginia. Was that the game Dakich guarded Jordan?

Yes, Virginia beat Indiana in a very close game in the next round. IIRC it was by a bucket or so.

Ironically, that Virginia team made the Final 4 the year after Ralph Sampson left. Kind of like Tennessee winning the national title in football the year after Peyton Manning left. They lost to a Phi Slamma Jamma Houston team by two points in overtime in the national semifinals. Othell Wilson, Rick Carlisle and Olden Polynice.

FWIW, Virginia had more talent than Indiana as well. Four players made it to the NBA compared to two off of that Indiana team, and the Virginia players played about a thousand more NBA games than the Indiana players did.

(02-21-2021 12:30 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 12:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  BD might be my all-time favorite Tar Heel.

Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

Agree. I hate to write too much positive about Dean Smith. Even when UVA or Maryland had a power team, the Tar Heels would win more than their fair share. Nevertheless...If the NCAA tournament would have changed from win-or-go-home to best-of-3/5, then Dean Smith teams probably would have won a half-dozen championships.

I believe that the back-up to Brad Daugherty was Warren Martin. A seven footer from Virginia that Terry Holland sought. Smith was just an amazing recruiter.

Yes, he recruited like Nick Saban does at Alabama. Just not with the same final-analysis results.

Just looking at Final 4s: Dean Smith had 11 eleven teams in the FF, and won it twice. Saban has placed 6 teams in the CFP Final 4, and won it 3 times.

(02-21-2021 01:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Apparently Indiana left all they had on the floor that night because they lost the very next game to Virginia. Was that the game Dakich guarded Jordan?

Yes, Virginia beat Indiana in a very close game in the next round. IIRC it was by a bucket or so.

Ironically, that Virginia team made the Final 4 the year after Ralph Sampson left. Kind of like Tennessee winning the national title in football the year after Peyton Manning left. They lost to a Phi Slamma Jamma Houston team by two points in overtime in the national semifinals. Othell Wilson, Rick Carlisle and Olden Polynice.

FWIW, Virginia had more talent than Indiana as well. Four players made it to the NBA compared to two off of that Indiana team, and the Virginia players played about a thousand more NBA games than the Indiana players did.

That was my final year at UVA. Had a lot of backcourt experience (Wilson, Carlisle and Ricky Stokes were 4th years); and the front court was young and talented (Polynice and Kenton Edelin).

We didn’t get much respect that year because the ACC was absolutely loaded. UNC was ranked first in the nation; Maryland was a top 10 team; Wake and Georgia Tech had top 20 teams; NC State was the defending national champion; and Duke was finally showing signs of what Coach K would build.

(02-21-2021 01:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 12:30 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Daugherty was the best big man ever to play at UNC, and that's saying something.

I decided that Bobby Knight was the best basketball coach ever when his 1984 team, with absolutely nobody, beat Dean Smith's UNC team with Jordan, Perkins, Kenny Smith and Daugherty in the NCAA tournament. And two other guys who played in the NBA.

Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

Agree. I hate to write too much positive about Dean Smith. Even when UVA or Maryland had a power team, the Tar Heels would win more than their fair share. Nevertheless...If the NCAA tournament would have changed from win-or-go-home to best-of-3/5, then Dean Smith teams probably would have won a half-dozen championships.

I believe that the back-up to Brad Daugherty was Warren Martin. A seven footer from Virginia that Terry Holland sought. Smith was just an amazing recruiter.

Yes, he recruited like Nick Saban does at Alabama. Just not with the same final-analysis results.

Just looking at Final 4s: Dean Smith had 11 eleven teams in the FF, and won it twice. Saban has placed 6 teams in the CFP Final 4, and won it 3 times.

There are so many variables that differentiate the sports, as you obviously know. Saban can recruit how many guys on scholarship? Vs. 15. There is a much larger margin for error in a 5 vs. 5 when compared to a 22+ vs. 22+.

Dean Smith wasn’t just a great recruiter, he was a great teacher and a builder of people. I honestly believe he retired when he did because he felt the game had passed him by. That said, he’s 10x the coach Roy Williams is (IMO), even with less titles.

(02-20-2021 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Imagine being a Notre Dame fan in Baton Rouge for 36 years.... :)

I recall attending the ND vs LSU game in Tiger Stadium back in 1997. I'd only been in BR for two years and had never attended an LSU game. I wore a "loud" Notre Dame sweatshirt to the game (it was a cold November day) and it was basically me in a sea of purple and gold Tiger fans. Quite the lonely feeling, LOL.

Wow you rooted for ND over LSU? I Remember for years on this board you were always called out as an LSU corn dog fan by Big East Homer and Shere and others right? I remember because Big East homer and all his buddies on here joined in on insisting that I was you lol. They thought I was you in a bogus profile....And I started getting called an LSU fan too.
The memories...

(02-21-2021 03:10 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 01:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  Apparently Indiana left all they had on the floor that night because they lost the very next game to Virginia. Was that the game Dakich guarded Jordan?

Yes, Virginia beat Indiana in a very close game in the next round. IIRC it was by a bucket or so.

Ironically, that Virginia team made the Final 4 the year after Ralph Sampson left. Kind of like Tennessee winning the national title in football the year after Peyton Manning left. They lost to a Phi Slamma Jamma Houston team by two points in overtime in the national semifinals. Othell Wilson, Rick Carlisle and Olden Polynice.

FWIW, Virginia had more talent than Indiana as well. Four players made it to the NBA compared to two off of that Indiana team, and the Virginia players played about a thousand more NBA games than the Indiana players did.

That was my final year at UVA. Had a lot of backcourt experience (Wilson, Carlisle and Ricky Stokes were 4th years); and the front court was young and talented (Polynice and Kenton Edelin).

We didn’t get much respect that year because the ACC was absolutely loaded. UNC was ranked first in the nation; Maryland was a top 10 team; Wake and Georgia Tech had top 20 teams; NC State was the defending national champion; and Duke was finally showing signs of what Coach K would build.

Yes, I remember UVA completely flying under the radar that year. Everyone assumed with Sampson gone the team would fall off greatly, and as you say the rest of the ACC was star-studded. But Virginia proved everyone wrong.

Kids around today cannot fathom what a long shadow Ralph Sampson cast over college basketball in the early 1980s. He was almost bigger than life, the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar of college hoops. He was as famous as Larry Bird or Magic Johnson, the top stars of the NBA at that time. When Georgetown and Patrick Ewing played Sampson and Virginia in late 1982, the game drew a huge TV audience, and I felt like Ewing was a young kid who got schooled by a veteran NBA player.

The game made two covers of SI, before and after the game, at a time when one cover was the gold standard for sporting relevance, and I still remember the "Tower of Power" caption. As much as I hated to admit it, I couldn't deny it either. Sampson was The Man.

(02-21-2021 04:01 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Imagine being a Notre Dame fan in Baton Rouge for 36 years.... :)

I recall attending the ND vs LSU game in Tiger Stadium back in 1997. I'd only been in BR for two years and had never attended an LSU game. I wore a "loud" Notre Dame sweatshirt to the game (it was a cold November day) and it was basically me in a sea of purple and gold Tiger fans. Quite the lonely feeling, LOL.

Wow you rooted for ND over LSU? I Remember for years on this board you were always called out as an LSU corn dog fan by Big East Homer and Shere and others right? I remember because Big East homer and all his buddies on here joined in on insisting that I was you lol. They thought I was you in a bogus profile....And I started getting called an LSU fan too.
The memories...

Yep! I do have a soft-spot for LSU, I am a quasi-fan, as I live in Baton Rouge and my Niece went there when she was living with me, but I rooted for Notre Dame and always have when they play LSU. Ditto for USF, if we ever play LSU, LOL.

What ever happened to Homer anyway? Never see him anymore.

(02-21-2021 03:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 01:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 12:30 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Daugherty was special...fundamentally sound (like Tim Duncan). The talent on those UNC teams was amazing. It’s hard to believe that he never won a championship, because those Tar Heels were always ranked at the top.

That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

Agree. I hate to write too much positive about Dean Smith. Even when UVA or Maryland had a power team, the Tar Heels would win more than their fair share. Nevertheless...If the NCAA tournament would have changed from win-or-go-home to best-of-3/5, then Dean Smith teams probably would have won a half-dozen championships.

I believe that the back-up to Brad Daugherty was Warren Martin. A seven footer from Virginia that Terry Holland sought. Smith was just an amazing recruiter.

Yes, he recruited like Nick Saban does at Alabama. Just not with the same final-analysis results.

Just looking at Final 4s: Dean Smith had 11 eleven teams in the FF, and won it twice. Saban has placed 6 teams in the CFP Final 4, and won it 3 times.

There are so many variables that differentiate the sports, as you obviously know. Saban can recruit how many guys on scholarship? Vs. 15. There is a much larger margin for error in a 5 vs. 5 when compared to a 22+ vs. 22+.

Dean Smith wasn’t just a great recruiter, he was a great teacher and a builder of people. I honestly believe he retired when he did because he felt the game had passed him by. That said, he’s 10x the coach Roy Williams is (IMO), even with less titles.

Smith was a great coach. The four-corners dominated college basketball talk in the 1970s and in to the 1980s until they basically outlawed it. He was a masterful strategist. He also coached great fundamentals. His Carolina teams played defense, didn't turn the ball over, made their free throws. And he was super-successful at all levels - winning games, winning the ACC, making the Final 4. I remember, because I was always rooting against him, and it was extremely frustrating.

For some reason, he just never rang the top bell as many times as he should have.

I mean, you have to be an awesome coach if the thing people complain about is that you "only" won two national titles. Kind of like Bobby Bowden.

(02-21-2021 04:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 03:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 01:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 12:30 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's a great comparison there between Daugherty and Duncan. It's sad that Daugherty basically only had half of a career. He was still a 19/10 guy in the NBA when back issues forced a premature retirement after just eight seasons. Should have played in to the early 2000s.

Yes, while Dean won two national titles, he probably had the talent to win 10. He arguably coached more talent during his time than even John Wooden.

A decade after Daugherty, in the mid-1990s, he had players like Jerry Stackhouse, Rashad Wallace, Vince Carter, Jeff Macinnis and Antawn Jamison at his disposal. The talent stream was never-ending, but the titles were few and far between.

Agree. I hate to write too much positive about Dean Smith. Even when UVA or Maryland had a power team, the Tar Heels would win more than their fair share. Nevertheless...If the NCAA tournament would have changed from win-or-go-home to best-of-3/5, then Dean Smith teams probably would have won a half-dozen championships.

I believe that the back-up to Brad Daugherty was Warren Martin. A seven footer from Virginia that Terry Holland sought. Smith was just an amazing recruiter.

Yes, he recruited like Nick Saban does at Alabama. Just not with the same final-analysis results.

Just looking at Final 4s: Dean Smith had 11 eleven teams in the FF, and won it twice. Saban has placed 6 teams in the CFP Final 4, and won it 3 times.

There are so many variables that differentiate the sports, as you obviously know. Saban can recruit how many guys on scholarship? Vs. 15. There is a much larger margin for error in a 5 vs. 5 when compared to a 22+ vs. 22+.

Dean Smith wasn’t just a great recruiter, he was a great teacher and a builder of people. I honestly believe he retired when he did because he felt the game had passed him by. That said, he’s 10x the coach Roy Williams is (IMO), even with less titles.

Smith was a great coach. The four-corners dominated college basketball talk in the 1970s and in to the 1980s until they basically outlawed it. He was a masterful strategist. He also coached great fundamentals. His Carolina teams played defense, didn't turn the ball over, made their free throws. And he was super-successful at all levels - winning games, winning the ACC, making the Final 4. I remember, because I was always rooting against him, and it was extremely frustrating.

For some reason, he just never rang the top bell as many times as he should have.

I mean, you have to be an awesome coach if the thing people complain about is that you "only" won two national titles. Kind of like Bobby Bowden.

I think Dick Vitale’s book should have included John Chaney over Roy Williams. IMO, he’s the greatest to never win it all. John Beilein is up there as well, but Chaney did it with the deck stacked against him.