(01-29-2021 09:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Arenado traded to the Cards from the sounds of it. wow.

Traded to the cards plus cash but i haven't seen the return...

(01-29-2021 10:11 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 09:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Arenado traded to the Cards from the sounds of it. wow.

Traded to the cards plus cash but i haven't seen the return...

Now we'll see if he's a product of Coors or legit. (I'm betting on the latter)

St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

How long is he signed for? He's a GG caliber 3B.

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

Didi Gregorius back to the Phils for 2 years.

With Didi gone- here is all that is left from the MLBTR top 50 and honorable mentions
updated top 15 free agents now-
1 Bauer 4/128
2 Ozuna 4/72
3 Odorizzi 3/39
4 Turner 2/24
5 Cruz 1/16
6 Bradley 2/16
7 Paxton 1/10
8 Walker 2/16
9 Wong 2/16
10 Rosenthal 2/14
11 Colome 1/6
12 Porcello 1/5
13 Hamels 1/4
14 Melancon 1/4
15 Archer 1/4

HM left:
Greene
McGee
Schoop
Jeffress
Pillar
Gardner
Villar
Miller
Soria
Kintzler

(01-30-2021 04:56 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

you would really think so. Especially when they can start to get fans back in there.

(01-30-2021 04:56 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

No. In fact, the Cards are giving him another opt out after 2022. May not amount to much as his projections slightly underperform his contract value, but it’s leverage anyway. Read somewhere it’s likely the extra option year was thrown in to keep the union happy about the deferred compensation.

(01-31-2021 01:55 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 04:56 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

No. In fact, the Cards are giving him another opt out after 2022. May not amount to much as his projections slightly underperform his contract value, but it’s leverage anyway. Read somewhere it’s likely the extra option year was thrown in to keep the union happy about the deferred compensation.

when you factor the money going to St Louis from Colorado- he'll almost certainly beat his contract value. Only need like 19.5 WAR these next 6 years.

possible huge news-

1 thing that is really promising about this- the fact that it was proposed on Friday and we're just hearing about it 2 days later.

(01-31-2021 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 01:55 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 04:56 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

No. In fact, the Cards are giving him another opt out after 2022. May not amount to much as his projections slightly underperform his contract value, but it’s leverage anyway. Read somewhere it’s likely the extra option year was thrown in to keep the union happy about the deferred compensation.

when you factor the money going to St Louis from Colorado- he'll almost certainly beat his contract value. Only need like 19.5 WAR these next 6 years.

It's a sweet deal for St Louis, no doubt.

It's a salary dump for Colorado, and not even a good one considering they have to send money to St Louis.

It's also an illustration of why the MLBPA doesn't want to make expanded playoffs permanent. Two teams made the playoffs in 2020 with sub-.500 regular season records, and the Astros won two playoff series after their sub-.500 regular season. Why spend to try to win 95 games in a full season when you can make the playoffs with 78 wins? Go ahead and trade your highest-paid player, or let him walk as a free agent, and replace him with a bargain-priced free agent or some guy who hit well in AAA.

(01-31-2021 02:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 01:55 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 04:56 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

No. In fact, the Cards are giving him another opt out after 2022. May not amount to much as his projections slightly underperform his contract value, but it’s leverage anyway. Read somewhere it’s likely the extra option year was thrown in to keep the union happy about the deferred compensation.

when you factor the money going to St Louis from Colorado- he'll almost certainly beat his contract value. Only need like 19.5 WAR these next 6 years.

It's a sweet deal for St Louis, no doubt.

It's a salary dump for Colorado, and not even a good one considering they have to send money to St Louis.

It's also an illustration of why the MLBPA doesn't want to make expanded playoffs permanent. Two teams made the playoffs in 2020 with sub-.500 regular season records, and the Astros won two playoff series after their sub-.500 regular season. Why spend to try to win 95 games in a full season when you can make the playoffs with 78 wins? Go ahead and trade your highest-paid player, or let him walk as a free agent, and replace him with a bargain-priced free agent or some guy who hit well in AAA.

well 1 of those playoff teams was due to them taking 2nd place teams due to schedules, and the other was the 8th team in the league(talk that it'd be 7 teams per league not 8).

It'll be interesting.

seems like it's going to be rejected

and here's big part why.....
The proposal would also give Commissioner Rob Manfred expanded authority to suspend the season, according to the two people and two additional people with direct knowledge of the proposal

(01-31-2021 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  and here's big part why.....
The proposal would also give Commissioner Rob Manfred expanded authority to suspend the season, according to the two people and two additional people with direct knowledge of the proposal

MLBPA would be fools to give Manfred authority to suspend the season and cut off their paychecks.

(01-31-2021 04:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  and here's big part why.....
The proposal would also give Commissioner Rob Manfred expanded authority to suspend the season, according to the two people and two additional people with direct knowledge of the proposal

MLBPA would be fools to give Manfred authority to suspend the season and cut off their paychecks.

yeah. A definite poison pill.

Do the owners think the players are fools?

(01-31-2021 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 01:55 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 04:56 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2021 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  St Louis is adding another year to the end of Arenado's contract -- another sign that everyone assumes there will be a universal DH.

Is Arenado forgoing the option at the end of next season?

No. In fact, the Cards are giving him another opt out after 2022. May not amount to much as his projections slightly underperform his contract value, but it’s leverage anyway. Read somewhere it’s likely the extra option year was thrown in to keep the union happy about the deferred compensation.

when you factor the money going to St Louis from Colorado- he'll almost certainly beat his contract value. Only need like 19.5 WAR these next 6 years.

You’re not wrong but this isn’t my point. For Arenado to opt out he has to believe teams will think his current contract undervalues his performance. The Cards getting a discount doesn’t change his total compensation. At $8MM/WAR, he’s gonna need teams to think he can generate more than 25 WAR in the next 6 years (rather, 20.5 over the next 5 years once this season is thru). It’s a tall order.

(01-31-2021 04:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  and here's big part why.....
The proposal would also give Commissioner Rob Manfred expanded authority to suspend the season, according to the two people and two additional people with direct knowledge of the proposal

MLBPA would be fools to give Manfred authority to suspend the season and cut off their paychecks.

“Here’s a pretty good deal, but I’ve got the power to change it at any time.”