Are the Tigers turning corner? I hope it is the case.

(01-24-2021 06:12 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Are the Tigers turning corner? I hope it is the case.

I wouldn't bet on it yet. Too many stinkers so far, but we certainly have played better for 2 games, at least.

This was the team we hoped to see.

(01-24-2021 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  yesterday i thought memphis had a path because i assumed they had 2 @smu games (2 q1 games).. now that its home and away, im not sure memphis has the schedule to make this up
they only have 4 q1 games (@wichita, @smu houston x2) and are 91 in the NET.. that's alot of ground to make up midseason

even winning out (extremely unlikely) theyd likely still be bad in the NET (in respect to making the tourney) , but would barely get in on the assumption for beating houston twice... and less than 2% chance they are winning out

The NET cares about margin of victory and offensive and defensive efficiency.

Much easier to move up in the Net than it was using RPI if you outperform expectations...Not saying they will...Just pointing out facts.

(01-24-2021 06:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 06:12 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Are the Tigers turning corner? I hope it is the case.

I wouldn't bet on it yet. Too many stinkers so far, but we certainly have played better for 2 games, at least.

This was the team we hoped to see.

True, my question resembles a prayer more than an expectation.

Good win Memphis, looks like you guys are really rounding into form.

(01-24-2021 07:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good win Memphis, looks like you guys are really rounding into form.

Thanks. We just have to keep our heads out of our butts, and our butts off the party bus.

Houston is in barring an utter complete collapse.

SMU can get in if they win the games they are suppose to.
WSU can get in if they win the games they are suppose to.
Both will be low seeds but they just have to not screw up. WSU OOC losses are good ones, SMU just has to keep neutral with its OOC being pretty weak.

Tulsa needs to win out or win the tournament.
Memphis needs to win out or win the tournament
We both blew the opportunities we had OOC. Tulsa may still be able to help itself with a couple OOC games even then it's still basically win out since we have played WSU, Memphis, and Houston twice. We might be able to split with SMU and win a conference tournament game or two and make it. Any other losses because of who we play means we are probably cooked.

UCF is probably win the tournament.
Temple is probably win the tournament
UCF is has been too up and down, solid team, dangerous have a good win.
Temple probably had it's real chance at a bid out done by covid issues, which also in some way worked for them with their other issues.

Everyone else needs to win the tournament. The bottom four of my list could still play themselves out of the NIT if they aren't careful or drop a couple bad games. WSU and SMU are likely NIT teams barring a collapse. UCF and Temple just have to not lose bad games, win the ones they are suppose to and they should have good shots at the NIT. USF can get itself an NIT bid but that may be their ceiling.

(01-24-2021 07:02 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 06:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 06:12 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Are the Tigers turning corner? I hope it is the case.

I wouldn't bet on it yet. Too many stinkers so far, but we certainly have played better for 2 games, at least.

This was the team we hoped to see.

True, my question resembles a prayer more than an expectation.

The issue with this team is they need open looks to score. They struggle mightily to score over defense.

I'm not sure who to root for this week between Memphis and SMU. SMU is probably a little better positioned to get an at-large but I also don't trust Jank for **** so tough call.

(01-24-2021 08:02 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm not sure who to root for this week between Memphis and SMU. SMU is probably a little better positioned to get an at-large but I also don't trust Jank for **** so tough call.

I must miss all the games Jank sucks in. He looks like a good coach to me. People labeled him early and everyone now just says it no matter what he does good.

(01-24-2021 08:27 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:02 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm not sure who to root for this week between Memphis and SMU. SMU is probably a little better positioned to get an at-large but I also don't trust Jank for **** so tough call.

I must miss all the games Jank sucks in. He looks like a good coach to me. People labeled him early and everyone now just says it no matter what he does good.

-- from a coaching perspective- he is a terrible defensive coach, he is a terrible recruiter...smu produced the most nba players when he took over but yet struggle to land 3star recruits

--- more context for the hate on him was that he was given an elite smu basketball program, when he took over from larry brown smu was the league's top team, and now they struggle to finish top half yearly... the fanbase has completely abandoned him too

-- he is terrible at scheduling, smu constantly has horrific schedules ..especially this year.. this was his make or break year and smu's schedule was still poor

-- underachieving expectations he himself set.. last season and this season were supposed to be major years for smu (from his own words) .. he built his roster that this was supposed to be the year they were top 15 quality, most of their roster are juniors and seniors...this was supposed to be the peak year...and his peak year he isnt even a top 50 team...

-- his resume pre smu also not great ..his first smu team that was built by larry brown made the tourney (only to be upset round 1)...he hasnt made the ncaa tourney in any of the other 15 years he's been a head coach

(01-24-2021 08:27 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:02 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm not sure who to root for this week between Memphis and SMU. SMU is probably a little better positioned to get an at-large but I also don't trust Jank for **** so tough call.

I must miss all the games Jank sucks in. He looks like a good coach to me. People labeled him early and everyone now just says it no matter what he does good.

I'd recommend watching the SMU-Wichita game last year or perhaps the 2nd SMU-Tulane game from last year. Instant classics!



Edit: Just in digging through last years atrocities, in 5 of SMU's 11 losses last year they lead at half time. Three of those were double digit leads. Both their losses this year they also had the lead at half time. Suppose it could be a coincidence but it also might indicate that Jank is getting out coached in game.

(01-24-2021 07:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good win Memphis, looks like you guys are really rounding into form.

As long as we're hitting shots ... we start sharing the ball ... rebounding ... defense ... name it. We miss shots, all he'll breaks loose !!!

(01-24-2021 11:27 PM)steves Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 07:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good win Memphis, looks like you guys are really rounding into form.

As long as we're hitting shots ... we start sharing the ball ... rebounding ... defense ... name it. We miss shots, all he'll breaks loose !!!

We hit open shots by doing all the other things first, or simultaneously. After we got way ahead, we reverted back to our selfish ways of shooting contested shots and not passing the ball.

(01-24-2021 08:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:27 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:02 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm not sure who to root for this week between Memphis and SMU. SMU is probably a little better positioned to get an at-large but I also don't trust Jank for **** so tough call.

I must miss all the games Jank sucks in. He looks like a good coach to me. People labeled him early and everyone now just says it no matter what he does good.

-- from a coaching perspective- he is a terrible defensive coach, he is a terrible recruiter...smu produced the most nba players when he took over but yet struggle to land 3star recruits

--- more context for the hate on him was that he was given an elite smu basketball program, when he took over from larry brown smu was the league's top team, and now they struggle to finish top half yearly... the fanbase has completely abandoned him too

-- he is terrible at scheduling, smu constantly has horrific schedules ..especially this year.. this was his make or break year and smu's schedule was still poor

-- underachieving expectations he himself set.. last season and this season were supposed to be major years for smu (from his own words) .. he built his roster that this was supposed to be the year they were top 15 quality, most of their roster are juniors and seniors...this was supposed to be the peak year...and his peak year he isnt even a top 50 team...

-- his resume pre smu also not great ..his first smu team that was built by larry brown made the tourney (only to be upset round 1)...he hasnt made the ncaa tourney in any of the other 15 years he's been a head coach

Good general analysis.

And add this year’s Cincy game at home to the list of Jank-blown games Whose House listed.

He basically took two years off from recruiting and has managed to alienate just about every legacy father/son combo: The Hamptons, the Timmes.... he didn’t think Marcus Sasser Was worth recruiting even when Marcus was playing pickup in the SMU gym. He hired Tyrese Maxey’s father to a paid staff job in hopes of landing Maxey, who ended up at Kentucky.
He simply doesn’t like to recruit so he leaves it to his assistants and then quite frequently leaves them hanging. In fairness, recruiting has improved via the transfer market.... we are still weak with high school recruiting.

Larry Brown used to engage and fire up the student body. Jank may not even know there is one. The legendary MOB that ragged opposing coaches
(see: Pitino, Cronin, Ollie) to total distraction is dead and gone.

He has an excuse for every occasion. So many, in fact, that there is now a game and actual bingo cards. We play Jank “Excuse Bingo.” Listen to any game and you will hear the announcers recount the woes Jank has provides them with in their pre-game scout. Most famous: “We couldn’t even practice 5 on 5 for a whole season.” You still hear about “the probation even years later. He’s a whiner.

Guys like Sampson, Marshall, Hurley, Cronin set expectations and hold their guys to a standard. Jank coddles his team. He’s a softie and it often shows in his players.

And here’s a killer: he’s seen around campus wearing Kansas gear... where his son is a walk-on. That’s just more fuel for the fire.

Make no mistake: this year’s team has real talent and depth. It’s a tourney team unless he coaches them to mediocrity. With Jolly back this is a team capable of a 20-25 ranking. He has maintained that right now they are just scratching the surface of their potential.
Two with Memphis, two with WSU, two with Tulsa and one with Houston will be telling.

Most hardcore fans wanted him gone last year. He’s got one year left in his contract. These next three months should determine whether or not he gets renewed. It’s hard being a fan right now. You want the team to win but you want Jank optioned to Siberia.

(01-25-2021 07:06 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:27 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 08:02 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm not sure who to root for this week between Memphis and SMU. SMU is probably a little better positioned to get an at-large but I also don't trust Jank for **** so tough call.

I must miss all the games Jank sucks in. He looks like a good coach to me. People labeled him early and everyone now just says it no matter what he does good.

-- from a coaching perspective- he is a terrible defensive coach, he is a terrible recruiter...smu produced the most nba players when he took over but yet struggle to land 3star recruits

--- more context for the hate on him was that he was given an elite smu basketball program, when he took over from larry brown smu was the league's top team, and now they struggle to finish top half yearly... the fanbase has completely abandoned him too

-- he is terrible at scheduling, smu constantly has horrific schedules ..especially this year.. this was his make or break year and smu's schedule was still poor

-- underachieving expectations he himself set.. last season and this season were supposed to be major years for smu (from his own words) .. he built his roster that this was supposed to be the year they were top 15 quality, most of their roster are juniors and seniors...this was supposed to be the peak year...and his peak year he isnt even a top 50 team...

-- his resume pre smu also not great ..his first smu team that was built by larry brown made the tourney (only to be upset round 1)...he hasnt made the ncaa tourney in any of the other 15 years he's been a head coach

Good general analysis.

And add this year’s Cincy game at home to the list of Jank-blown games Whose House listed.

He basically took two years off from recruiting and has managed to alienate just about every legacy father/son combo: The Hamptons, the Timmes.... he didn’t think Marcus Sasser Was worth recruiting even when Marcus was playing pickup in the SMU gym. He hired Tyrese Maxey’s father to a paid staff job in hopes of landing Maxey, who ended up at Kentucky.
He simply doesn’t like to recruit so he leaves it to his assistants and then quite frequently leaves them hanging. In fairness, recruiting has improved via the transfer market.... we are still weak with high school recruiting.

Larry Brown used to engage and fire up the student body. Jank may not even know there is one. The legendary MOB that ragged opposing coaches
(see: Pitino, Cronin, Ollie) to total distraction is dead and gone.

He has an excuse for every occasion. So many, in fact, that there is now a game and actual bingo cards. We play Jank “Excuse Bingo.” Listen to any game and you will hear the announcers recount the woes Jank has provides them with in their pre-game scout. Most famous: “We couldn’t even practice 5 on 5 for a whole season.” You still hear about “the probation even years later. He’s a whiner.

Guys like Sampson, Marshall, Hurley, Cronin set expectations and hold their guys to a standard. Jank coddles his team. He’s a softie and it often shows in his players.

And here’s a killer: he’s seen around campus wearing Kansas gear... where his son is a walk-on. That’s just more fuel for the fire.

Make no mistake: this year’s team has real talent and depth. It’s a tourney team unless he coaches them to mediocrity. With Jolly back this is a team capable of a 20-25 ranking. He has maintained that right now they are just scratching the surface of their potential.
Two with Memphis, two with WSU, two with Tulsa and one with Houston will be telling.

Most hardcore fans wanted him gone last year. He’s got one year left in his contract. These next three months should determine whether or not he gets renewed. It’s hard being a fan right now. You want the team to win but you want Jank optioned to Siberia.

Well I guess that pretty well sums it up. Sounds like he has some Tubby traits.

(01-24-2021 06:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  yesterday i thought memphis had a path because i assumed they had 2 @smu games (2 q1 games).. now that its home and away, im not sure memphis has the schedule to make this up
they only have 4 q1 games (@wichita, @smu houston x2) and are 91 in the NET.. that's alot of ground to make up midseason

even winning out (extremely unlikely) theyd likely still be bad in the NET (in respect to making the tourney) , but would barely get in on the assumption for beating houston twice... and less than 2% chance they are winning out

The NET cares about margin of victory and offensive and defensive efficiency.

Much easier to move up in the Net than it was using RPI if you outperform expectations...Not saying they will...Just pointing out facts.

For Illustration...

91 - 71 with one game against ECU.

(01-25-2021 12:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 06:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  yesterday i thought memphis had a path because i assumed they had 2 @smu games (2 q1 games).. now that its home and away, im not sure memphis has the schedule to make this up
they only have 4 q1 games (@wichita, @smu houston x2) and are 91 in the NET.. that's alot of ground to make up midseason

even winning out (extremely unlikely) theyd likely still be bad in the NET (in respect to making the tourney) , but would barely get in on the assumption for beating houston twice... and less than 2% chance they are winning out

The NET cares about margin of victory and offensive and defensive efficiency.

Much easier to move up in the Net than it was using RPI if you outperform expectations...Not saying they will...Just pointing out facts.

For Illustration...

91 - 71 with one game against ECU.

Since last year ended so abruptly and the NET is still new a lot of us fall into the RPI trap. This year the fluctuation is going to be even more with some teams having no ooc some teams half way through some teams five games in. It's a giant jumble that won't start showing a consistent trend till late February likely. Right now the only really bad team is Tulane, who would probably be better if they were able to get some games under their belt. Most the other lower teams are hanging around the 120 mark. That will help teams to climb if they have really good games, because they will get a boost from it being against solid teams plus the efficiency etc.

Three still seems very likely to me. Five is probably out of reach (mostly because of Tulsa not winning ooc, SMU not playing anyone ooc, and Temple having no OOC). Four is still possible but we need some stuff to go just right and maybe for them to do something like weigh the eye test a little more and let a borderline Memphis/SMU in. Two seems to be the minimum, the math just doesn't seem to let everyone but Houston fall off. A lot of the top teams have already played each other some of them have already played twice. Good win streaks and performances will raise their efficiencies.

rumors going around...

tulane is uncertain if itll be able to play this week (vs houston)...

if its cancelled Houston @ wichita will be this week...

if it isnt cancelled, and cincy is cleared for the end of the week (the usf game on the 30th was cancelled becuase of usf not cincy) there might be moving around of games involving tulanes games vs wichita or cincy to make schedule space for 1 or the other

(01-25-2021 02:57 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 12:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 06:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  yesterday i thought memphis had a path because i assumed they had 2 @smu games (2 q1 games).. now that its home and away, im not sure memphis has the schedule to make this up
they only have 4 q1 games (@wichita, @smu houston x2) and are 91 in the NET.. that's alot of ground to make up midseason

even winning out (extremely unlikely) theyd likely still be bad in the NET (in respect to making the tourney) , but would barely get in on the assumption for beating houston twice... and less than 2% chance they are winning out

The NET cares about margin of victory and offensive and defensive efficiency.

Much easier to move up in the Net than it was using RPI if you outperform expectations...Not saying they will...Just pointing out facts.

For Illustration...

91 - 71 with one game against ECU.

Since last year ended so abruptly and the NET is still new a lot of us fall into the RPI trap. This year the fluctuation is going to be even more with some teams having no ooc some teams half way through some teams five games in. It's a giant jumble that won't start showing a consistent trend till late February likely. Right now the only really bad team is Tulane, who would probably be better if they were able to get some games under their belt. Most the other lower teams are hanging around the 120 mark. That will help teams to climb if they have really good games, because they will get a boost from it being against solid teams plus the efficiency etc.

Three still seems very likely to me. Five is probably out of reach (mostly because of Tulsa not winning ooc, SMU not playing anyone ooc, and Temple having no OOC). Four is still possible but we need some stuff to go just right and maybe for them to do something like weigh the eye test a little more and let a borderline Memphis/SMU in. Two seems to be the minimum, the math just doesn't seem to let everyone but Houston fall off. A lot of the top teams have already played each other some of them have already played twice. Good win streaks and performances will raise their efficiencies.

I think we've at least tried to fill OOC spots during the season. One of the local teams declined to play us.