(01-15-2021 10:16 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 08:13 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 06:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Has gotten predictable? Or has always been like this for fans of G5 schools?

Teams like UTEP and UAB have never had a seat at the table. Our teams have never competed for national titles or even access bowls.

Yes, this attitude baffles me. In the pre-BCS era, not only did G5-type schools not have more of a chance to gain some shine on a national scale, they had considerably LESS chance to do so.

These days, a school like UAB can play all of their games on national TV and then if they have a measly 6-6 record usually do the same in a bowl game. And if they had a great season and go 12-0, quite possible play in an NY6 bowl game. That's all very real right now.

In 1994, a school like UAB would have been absolutely invisible. No televised games, virtually no chance at a bowl game unless winning 8 or more games, and absolutely zero chance at an NY6 bowl, all while being paid nothing.

In 2000, UAB went 7-4 and did not play in a bowl. Last year, in 2019, two CUSA teams that went 6-6 played in bowls.

There has *never* been a better time to be a UAB-type program than ... right now, and yet never has there been more whining.

to a socialist like you a free market capitalist would indeed be baffling to you

Commies and socialists want fairness and a have a “trophy for everyone” mentality. More teams in the playoff is socialist.

Can we count on you to give back your social security and Medicare?

Very little is denser than the head of economic Libertarian who thinks working markets just magically exist and regulate themselves. It takes a number of teams to play football. You need to agree on the rules. You need to have fans. Fans need to know what to expect. In a capitalstic model there would only be about 8-12 college football programs playing P-5 football.

Alabama football exists because Bama has other schools to play and some of those schools fans think they can win the game. The economic and political education in this country is horrible.

8-12 teams playing p5? Seems like we are already there. How many teams have NCs since 1998 or so? How many teams have made the playoff since the current system was implemente?

Many seem to think if you dont play for a title or playoff spot then youre just wasting your time.

(01-13-2021 01:19 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I guessed really wrong. About half what I thought it'd be.

College football is on the same path as MLB. They have a game dominated by the same few schools and it’s quickly becoming a regional game with limited national interest. The greed of schools has destroyed old time rivalries and half the country doesn’t care. Many fans of G5 schools don’t even bother tuning in.

I think it was simple as people were fatigued from Alabama and disgusted with all the hypocrisy and blatant special treatment rule changes made to get a 6 win OSU team into the playoff

The results were inevitable

(01-16-2021 08:09 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it was simple as people were fatigued from Alabama and disgusted with all the hypocrisy and blatant special treatment rule changes made to get a 6 win OSU team into the playoff

The results were inevitable

Thing is, the NFL playoffs the day before were off severely in ratings as well. And ratings for the semifinals, which included Alabama and Ohio State, were up over last year.

Since we have to look to an explanation that covers those things, I would suggest the vagaries of a strange virus year, and preoccupation with the political situation.

(01-16-2021 02:08 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 01:19 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I guessed really wrong. About half what I thought it'd be.

College football is on the same path as MLB. They have a game dominated by the same few schools and it’s quickly becoming a regional game with limited national interest. The greed of schools has destroyed old time rivalries and half the country doesn’t care. Many fans of G5 schools don’t even bother tuning in.

It probably stems from a lack of talent or players. A lot of these top prospects are coming from families with deep professional athletic roots. The kids making it out of urban areas are trying to beeline to the NFL and need the right program to get them there. There aren’t enough players to support the perennial USC OU UN Miami’s of the world. We are probably going to get a cycle of Clemson FSU, Fla UGa Auburn LSU Bama, B1G East, every year. The PAC 12 is becoming an afterthought, as nobody on the west coast cares anymore. That to me stems from a lack of overall players, similar to what MLB had to overcome with blacks participating less and less. But MLB had been able to grow a huge following in Latin America. I doubt American football can achieve this and get and influx of European talent.

(01-16-2021 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:09 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it was simple as people were fatigued from Alabama and disgusted with all the hypocrisy and blatant special treatment rule changes made to get a 6 win OSU team into the playoff

The results were inevitable

Thing is, the NFL playoffs the day before were off severely in ratings as well. And ratings for the semifinals, which included Alabama and Ohio State, were up over last year.

Since we have to look to an explanation that covers those things, I would suggest the vagaries of a strange virus year, and preoccupation with the political situation.

or mybe fans would like to see other teams climb there way to the top as opposed to the same few teams that are always at or near the top, why is this so hard for you to accept?, oh that’s right your a socialist and you want to limit variety, your only here to “ condition “ us to accept the dark and gray world of communism

(01-17-2021 07:58 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:09 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it was simple as people were fatigued from Alabama and disgusted with all the hypocrisy and blatant special treatment rule changes made to get a 6 win OSU team into the playoff

The results were inevitable

Thing is, the NFL playoffs the day before were off severely in ratings as well. And ratings for the semifinals, which included Alabama and Ohio State, were up over last year.

Since we have to look to an explanation that covers those things, I would suggest the vagaries of a strange virus year, and preoccupation with the political situation.

or mybe fans would like to see other teams climb there way to the top as opposed to the same few teams that are always at or near the top, why is this so hard for you to accept?, oh that’s right your a socialist and you want to limit variety, your only here to “ condition “ us to accept the dark and gray world of communism

Well, see, I like to base my ideas on evidence. In this case, we have what seem to be three relevant pieces of evidence:

1) Title game rating was way down
2) NFL playoff played the day before were also way down
3) CFP semis were UP.

So #3 seems to work against the notion that ratings for #1 were down because people are tired of seeing the "same old teams at the top", since the semis consisted of ... the same old teams that have been at the top.

Throw in #2, and this suggests that the cause for #1 is something that happened between #1 and #3. Did anything "big" happen during that time? Why yes it did - the Capitol was stormed by rioters. So that seems to make more sense as an explanation than "tired of the same old teams".

And how is what I am saying socialist? Socialism is about "leveling" off the top, eliminating the elites, to make everyone at the same level. You seem to think I am defending the elites at the top of the heap. That would seem to be the opposite of 'socialism".

So people were watching news Sunday and Monday night? The ratings should reflect that on the major news networks.

Just realized the NFL will add a week 18 to the schedule very shortly for international inter conference games and such. This will mean the current National Championship game will be held Monday after week 18, although still following the NFLs usual Sunday triple header. NFL fans can use the MLK Holiday to recover from Super Wild Card weekend hangovers. The Championship game could get overshadowed by Black Monday and big head coach firings, fueling speculation about college coaches potentially rumored to make a move to the next level. But as has been discussed, football burnout did not seem to be the root cause for the collapse in ratings.

(01-21-2021 04:24 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Just realized the NFL will add a week 18 to the schedule very shortly for international inter conference games and such. This will mean the current National Championship game will be held Monday after week 18, although still following the NFLs usual Sunday triple header. NFL fans can use the MLK Holiday to recover from Super Wild Card weekend hangovers. The Championship game could get overshadowed by Black Monday and big head coach firings, fueling speculation about college coaches potentially rumored to make a move to the next level. But as has been discussed, football burnout did not seem to be the root cause for the collapse in ratings.

College football can avoid a lot of their issues if they would think outside the box a little bit.

What has become Week Zero should actually be Week 1. The second week of the season can fall on Labor Day weekend. It's a minute change that would decrease competition with the NFL at both ends of the schedule.

Secondly, set the CFP up to conclude on New Year's Day. Use the day to have a host of your normal bowl games and keep people engaged all day until the "big one" in the evening. College football was built on NYD. It's not just tradition...it worked structurally.

On the last point, if the Rose Bowl doesn't want to play ball with that setup then exclude them from the next contract. The only sacrifice they would have to make is scheduling their game a week or so early during years they held the semi-final...hardly a real sacrifice. If they want to schedule another game for New Year's Day to maintain all their other traditions then that's fine.

Having the national championship game on New Year's Night certainly sounds attractive. But the next question becomes when do you actually schedule the semifinals? Could the semifinals literally happen on Christmas? Could college football take over Christmas like they did New Year's Day and they for the most part failed to take over New Year's Eve? Would they go for the closest Saturday before New Year's Day? Some years it might have to be more than a week before New Year's Day. If New Year's Day is on a Wednesday than the previous Saturday (December 28) is too soon so they'd have to play December 21. I can't imagine the semifinal bowls are going to be thrilled having their bowls on December 21 and that can hurt tourism since it's outside the normal holiday window. You can make your championship game bigger but then you've hurt your semifinal games. Now that might not necessarily be a bad thing. Then again, why is the "Final Four" so special in men's basketball? It seems like the semifinals are bigger than the actual championship game. The championship game is on a Monday night. It starts at 6pm in California. Luckily most teams in California can't make the championship game anyway so it's not an issue but why have the championship on a Monday night? They want the semifinals to be a big deal. If the NCAA had the championship on a Saturday or Sunday, they'd have to move the semifinals to Thursday or Friday and they become an afterthought. I've never known the NCAA championship game to not be on Monday night/Final Four on Saturday so the NCAA seems to want the semifinals to be the show as opposed to the championship so it wouldn't surprise me if they intentionally set up the CFP to "peak" with the semifinals on New Year's Day.

Who cares. Did not watch it. It will be interesting how the so called playoffs go forward. Same teams over and over.

I think the CFP selection show drove ratings down as well. The amount of spin and news-speak was enough to make George Orwell gasp. Listening to Gary Barta justify ranking Iowa State 12 spots over a Louisiana team that beat them by 17 head to head made a lot of people feel like they were watching the WWE, not legitimate athletics. If you followed social media or talked to any of your neighbors at all that turned a lot of people off.

(01-23-2021 08:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Listening to Gary Barta justify ranking Iowa State 12 spots over a Louisiana team that beat them by 17 head to head made a lot of people feel like they were watching the WWE, not legitimate athletics.

Yup. And this insults pro wrestling since we know it’s fake and expect just about anything. The pro sport levels make it painfully simple and explain playoff scenarios out in real-time. Dealing with the unknown and lack of transparency in FBS with the CFP selection, because it is arbitrary, is just self-indulgent nonsense.

This structure, based on these tired relations with outmoded, unique bowls and inexplicable power levels, forced upon future audiences increasingly alienated from casual attachment to schools is aging like milk. It’s pitiful watching it corrode; only satisfying seeing comeuppance for its refusal to make it better and more embraceable for all.

It's as if we should just go to perma-Bowl tie-ins and leave it at that. Hence no school gets an advantage over the other. Big 12 and Pac 12/B1G schools don't even have to play each other for years or centuries. I don't know. The whole bowls versus 4-team playoff is ridiculous as we've seen the early results. You can't force Dabo or Saban to retire. They are going to get the best players year in year out until it's the next program and coach. It has just been a really dull cycle. We need three new teams/coaches or a revolutionary player like a Burrow to really capture the country's imagination. LSU Bama did really well in the ratings in 2019. If you can get that player awakening a long dormant program you have a story to carry the season. Lawrence didn't even win the Heisman this year and showed very little in the CFP (mid year Covid absence aside). It's just been a dull cycle, like the NFL when the Patriots were dominating in the early 2000s, or when it was LA versus San Antonio every year, probably the two dullest dynasties and rivalries the NBA could have ever imagined. It's one of those phases I feel.

(01-23-2021 08:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think the CFP selection show drove ratings down as well. The amount of spin and news-speak was enough to make George Orwell gasp. Listening to Gary Barta justify ranking Iowa State 12 spots over a Louisiana team that beat them by 17 head to head made a lot of people feel like they were watching the WWE, not legitimate athletics. If you followed social media or talked to any of your neighbors at all that turned a lot of people off.

Their spin IS often ridiculous but they were right about that one. https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
While computer ratings don't have a whole lot of data this year-Massey composite:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio St.
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma
5. Texas A&M
6. Georgia
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa St.
9. Cincinnati
10. BYU
11. Texas
12. Florida
13. Iowa
14. Northwestern
15. Oklahoma St.
16. Coastal Carolina
17. Indiana
18. ULL
19. USC
20. Ball St.
21. Miami FL
22. Buffalo
23. North Carolina
24. San Jose St.
25. TCU

(01-23-2021 08:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think the CFP selection show drove ratings down as well. The amount of spin and news-speak was enough to make George Orwell gasp. Listening to Gary Barta justify ranking Iowa State 12 spots over a Louisiana team that beat them by 17 head to head made a lot of people feel like they were watching the WWE, not legitimate athletics. If you followed social media or talked to any of your neighbors at all that turned a lot of people off.

The best or “better” team doesnt always win. History has shown us that heavy favorites can and do lose. The team that played better usually wins.

Nova over Georgetown
Buster Douglas over Tyson
The Giants over the 18-0 Patriots

(01-23-2021 01:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-23-2021 08:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think the CFP selection show drove ratings down as well. The amount of spin and news-speak was enough to make George Orwell gasp. Listening to Gary Barta justify ranking Iowa State 12 spots over a Louisiana team that beat them by 17 head to head made a lot of people feel like they were watching the WWE, not legitimate athletics. If you followed social media or talked to any of your neighbors at all that turned a lot of people off.

Their spin IS often ridiculous but they were right about that one. https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
While computer ratings don't have a whole lot of data this year-Massey composite:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio St.
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma
5. Texas A&M
6. Georgia
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa St.
9. Cincinnati
10. BYU
11. Texas
12. Florida
13. Iowa
14. Northwestern
15. Oklahoma St.
16. Coastal Carolina
17. Indiana
18. ULL
19. USC
20. Ball St.
21. Miami FL
22. Buffalo
23. North Carolina
24. San Jose St.
25. TCU

It still doesn’t mean it did not sit well with people. Perhaps they should have explained objective measures like Massey, but they did not. All they did was get up there and tell people they thought ISU was better than Louisiana because the Cyclones looked good against 4-5 West Virginia. People can’t under what they witnessed with their own eyes. If it were a coupe spot difference maybe— but 12 spots?