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RE: Final grades for every college football team this season
SMU C/C+
Houston D+/C-
UCF C-/C
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(01-14-2021 05:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  IamYourDad remove the blind UCF homer expectations...and lets look at it objectively

you were 6-4/// you lost to:
byu- ranked
tulsa- ranked
cincy- ranked (3 point game)
@ memphis (1 point game)

now lets look at Houston who he gave a "C" too - 3-5
- almost blowout loss to a 4-4 hawaii, zero wins against anyone with a winning record ... all after sabotaging last season to make this season great...

or SMU with a B, despite a blowout loss ecu, and barely surviving games vs other bad aac teams....only 1 noteable win all season

both smu and houston had high expectation coming into the season...ucf isnt the only team with expectations for itself

you cant objectively give those teams b and c objectively and then give ucf a D+

I’m not debating you on how SMU/Houston should feel, or how we should feel relative to them. Every fanbase has expectations for its program. The difference are the expectations from everyone else. Point is we were coming off a 10 win season with one of the top QB’s in the nation. Houston was coming off of a 4-8 season and lost King. The entire ranking is flawed. I just have a problem with you trying to justify our position on it. Yeah fuc* me for expecting us not to get embarrassed by BYU. Fuc* me for expecting us to give up less than 46 to one of the worst teams in the country. Fuc* me for wanting us not to blow big leads like we have these past two years. I guess fuc* all the players that are transferring as well because they don’t want to play for us. Fuc* all of us I know, stupid asses
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RE: Final grades for every college football team this season
(01-15-2021 12:33 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  
(01-14-2021 05:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  IamYourDad remove the blind UCF homer expectations...and lets look at it objectively

you were 6-4/// you lost to:
byu- ranked
tulsa- ranked
cincy- ranked (3 point game)
@ memphis (1 point game)

now lets look at Houston who he gave a "C" too - 3-5
- almost blowout loss to a 4-4 hawaii, zero wins against anyone with a winning record ... all after sabotaging last season to make this season great...

or SMU with a B, despite a blowout loss ecu, and barely surviving games vs other bad aac teams....only 1 noteable win all season

both smu and houston had high expectation coming into the season...ucf isnt the only team with expectations for itself

you cant objectively give those teams b and c objectively and then give ucf a D+

I’m not debating you on how SMU/Houston should feel, or how we should feel relative to them. Every fanbase has expectations for its program. The difference are the expectations from everyone else. Point is we were coming off a 10 win season with one of the top QB’s in the nation. Houston was coming off of a 4-8 season and lost King. The entire ranking is flawed. I just have a problem with you trying to justify our position on it. Yeah fuc* me for expecting us not to get embarrassed by BYU. Fuc* me for expecting us to give up less than 46 to one of the worst teams in the country. Fuc* me for wanting us not to blow big leads like we have these past two years. I guess fuc* all the players that are transferring as well because they don’t want to play for us. Fuc* all of us I know, stupid asses

smu was coming off a 10 win season with one of the top QB’s in the nation

my point was that you cant justify ucf as a D+ and with some of the other ratings they had given

your point is the ucf had a bad season.. which didnt affect my point at all.. if you think ucf had a poor season and deserved a d+... many other teams deserved a lower rankings aswell if that is the scale being used (ucf the only team, with a winning record lower than a C)

and also most of your paragraph is revolved around ucf, like others dont have those kind of feelings... houston was 4-8 but redshirted all of its best players to return 95% of it players in 2020, 2019 was sabotaged to win in 2020.. we lost king but had 30 of the other redshirts returned,

houston literally declared they dont accept 8 win seasons as good season just 3 years ago


houstons coach salary pool is currently more than double that of what ucf is currently paying ..getting blown out by a 4-4 hawaii (that isnt good, were were a 10 point favorite) in our bowl is something you think houston see as s positive?....anything you can write about ucf, houston fans can write 10x worse
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(01-15-2021 01:13 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 12:33 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  
(01-14-2021 05:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  IamYourDad remove the blind UCF homer expectations...and lets look at it objectively

you were 6-4/// you lost to:
byu- ranked
tulsa- ranked
cincy- ranked (3 point game)
@ memphis (1 point game)

now lets look at Houston who he gave a "C" too - 3-5
- almost blowout loss to a 4-4 hawaii, zero wins against anyone with a winning record ... all after sabotaging last season to make this season great...

or SMU with a B, despite a blowout loss ecu, and barely surviving games vs other bad aac teams....only 1 noteable win all season

both smu and houston had high expectation coming into the season...ucf isnt the only team with expectations for itself

you cant objectively give those teams b and c objectively and then give ucf a D+

I’m not debating you on how SMU/Houston should feel, or how we should feel relative to them. Every fanbase has expectations for its program. The difference are the expectations from everyone else. Point is we were coming off a 10 win season with one of the top QB’s in the nation. Houston was coming off of a 4-8 season and lost King. The entire ranking is flawed. I just have a problem with you trying to justify our position on it. Yeah fuc* me for expecting us not to get embarrassed by BYU. Fuc* me for expecting us to give up less than 46 to one of the worst teams in the country. Fuc* me for wanting us not to blow big leads like we have these past two years. I guess fuc* all the players that are transferring as well because they don’t want to play for us. Fuc* all of us I know, stupid asses

smu was coming off a 10 win season with one of the top QB’s in the nation

my point was that you cant justify ucf as a D+ and with some of the other ratings they had given

your point is the ucf had a bad season.. which didnt affect my point at all.. if you think ucf had a poor season and deserved a d+... many other teams deserved a lower rankings aswell if that is the scale being used (ucf the only team, with a winning record lower than a C)

and also most of your paragraph is revolved around ucf, like others dont have those kind of feelings... houston was 4-8 but redshirted all of its best players to return 95% of it players in 2020, 2019 was sabotaged to win in 2020.. we lost king but had 30 of the other redshirts returned,

houston literally declared they dont accept 8 win seasons as good season just 3 years ago


houstons coach salary pool is currently more than double that of what ucf is currently paying ..getting blown out by a 4-4 hawaii (that isnt good, were were a 10 point favorite) in our bowl is something you think houston see as s positive?....anything you can write about ucf, houston fans can write 10x worse

I'm definitely not arguing with you there. I was simply arguing for my school because that's the scenario I know most about. Houston should definitely have higher expectations than getting blown out by Hawaii, the same goes for us with BYU. I wasn't trying to disrespect Houston or anyone else in this conference, high expectations are the only way a program can improve. I think I'm getting sensitive on the topic of excuses considering that's all I have been hearing from our fans these past two years. It's like Michigan with Harbaugh. The potential is there, but instead striving for more we got comfortable. It's just frustrating when you see a clear answer and the fanbase is split. If you look for excuses you will always find them. In the real world results matter
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RE: Final grades for every college football team this season
Probably a much better way of looking at it - Chris Vannini's full FBS rankings:

https://theathletic.com/2316714/2021/01/...ngs-final/

For the AAC:

8 - Cincinnati
30 - Tulsa
31 - SMU
32 - Memphis
38 - UCF
48 - Tulane
79 - Houston
95 - Navy
96 - ECU
116 - Temple
117 - Green UConn

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(01-15-2021 11:13 AM)usffan Wrote:  Probably a much better way of looking at it - Chris Vannini's full FBS rankings:

https://theathletic.com/2316714/2021/01/...ngs-final/

For the AAC:

8 - Cincinnati
30 - Tulsa
31 - SMU
32 - Memphis
38 - UCF
48 - Tulane
79 - Houston
95 - Navy
96 - ECU
116 - Temple
117 - Green UConn

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Nice ranking
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(01-14-2021 05:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  IamYourDad remove the blind UCF homer expectations...and lets look at it objectively

you were 6-4/// you lost to:
byu- ranked
tulsa- ranked
cincy- ranked (3 point game)
@ memphis (1 point game)

now lets look at Houston who he gave a "C" too - 3-5
- almost blowout loss to a 4-4 hawaii, zero wins against anyone with a winning record ... all after sabotaging last season to make this season great...

or SMU with a B, despite a blowout loss ecu, and barely surviving games vs other bad aac teams....only 1 noteable win all season

both smu and houston had high expectation coming into the season...ucf isnt the only team with expectations for itself

you cant objectively give those teams b and c objectively and then give ucf a D+

ehhhh....not sure I agree with you on this

I can't speak for Houston, but multiple projections had UCF winning the AAC, they were the overwhelming favorites for what I read. I didn't find one that had SMU winning the AAC - one publication even had us listed as 'overrated'. If you had said that we would lose Roberson and McDaniel and Moore would never see the field and that we would be the equivalent of 9-3 then, yeah, I'd give us a B, B+.

But UCF was supposed to possibly run the table and had their hardest game cancelled. They drop 3, never sniff the CCG, and then get blown out in the bowl? That's absolutely a disappointing season.

We pretty much met expectations, and from what I know Houston was about on par. UCF absolutely did not. These are reasonable grades.
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(01-15-2021 02:09 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  
(01-14-2021 05:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  IamYourDad remove the blind UCF homer expectations...and lets look at it objectively

you were 6-4/// you lost to:
byu- ranked
tulsa- ranked
cincy- ranked (3 point game)
@ memphis (1 point game)

now lets look at Houston who he gave a "C" too - 3-5
- almost blowout loss to a 4-4 hawaii, zero wins against anyone with a winning record ... all after sabotaging last season to make this season great...

or SMU with a B, despite a blowout loss ecu, and barely surviving games vs other bad aac teams....only 1 noteable win all season

both smu and houston had high expectation coming into the season...ucf isnt the only team with expectations for itself

you cant objectively give those teams b and c objectively and then give ucf a D+

ehhhh....not sure I agree with you on this

I can't speak for Houston, but multiple projections had UCF winning the AAC, they were the overwhelming favorites for what I read. I didn't find one that had SMU winning the AAC - one publication even had us listed as 'overrated'. If you had said that we would lose Roberson and McDaniel and Moore would never see the field and that we would be the equivalent of 9-3 then, yeah, I'd give us a B, B+.

But UCF was supposed to possibly run the table and had their hardest game cancelled. They drop 3, never sniff the CCG, and then get blown out in the bowl? That's absolutely a disappointing season.

We pretty much met expectations, and from what I know Houston was about on par. UCF absolutely did not. These are reasonable grades.

ucf wasnt not projected answer to run the table... you are comping the far best projections of ucf to the far worst projections of others

ucf was not porjected to run the table by anyone....memphis, cincy and ucf were seen as the top teams preseason, but we didnt not have anywhere close to unanimous favorite or anyone we expected to run the table...

a houston just shelled out the largest g5 contract in history, took all the best players from our 2019 season to redshirt to win in 2020 (34 total players)...all to finish 3-5 ..in the worst back to back years at houston in almost 2 decades
if you think houston was on "par" with expectations you are nuts

and side note, smu lost less players than the ucf and memphis....ucf lost 10 players preseason to opt out and about 6 more starters to bowl optouts....memphis lost all its preason key players except the qb (noteable gainwell and damonte coxie, who were seen as 1st team all conference)
also why are you adding wins to smu-- you were 7-3 and you last 2 games were losses including a blowut loss to ecu, i dont know how you are assuring wins
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(01-15-2021 03:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 02:09 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  
(01-14-2021 05:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  IamYourDad remove the blind UCF homer expectations...and lets look at it objectively

you were 6-4/// you lost to:
byu- ranked
tulsa- ranked
cincy- ranked (3 point game)
@ memphis (1 point game)

now lets look at Houston who he gave a "C" too - 3-5
- almost blowout loss to a 4-4 hawaii, zero wins against anyone with a winning record ... all after sabotaging last season to make this season great...

or SMU with a B, despite a blowout loss ecu, and barely surviving games vs other bad aac teams....only 1 noteable win all season

both smu and houston had high expectation coming into the season...ucf isnt the only team with expectations for itself

you cant objectively give those teams b and c objectively and then give ucf a D+

ehhhh....not sure I agree with you on this

I can't speak for Houston, but multiple projections had UCF winning the AAC, they were the overwhelming favorites for what I read. I didn't find one that had SMU winning the AAC - one publication even had us listed as 'overrated'. If you had said that we would lose Roberson and McDaniel and Moore would never see the field and that we would be the equivalent of 9-3 then, yeah, I'd give us a B, B+.

But UCF was supposed to possibly run the table and had their hardest game cancelled. They drop 3, never sniff the CCG, and then get blown out in the bowl? That's absolutely a disappointing season.

We pretty much met expectations, and from what I know Houston was about on par. UCF absolutely did not. These are reasonable grades.

ucf wasnt not projected answer to run the table... you are comping the far best projections of ucf to the far worst projections of others

ucf was not porjected to run the table by anyone....memphis, cincy and ucf were seen as the top teams preseason, but we didnt not have anywhere close to unanimous favorite or anyone we expected to run the table...

a houston just shelled out the largest g5 contract in history, took all the best players from our 2019 season to redshirt to win in 2020 (34 total players)...all to finish 3-5 ..in the worst back to back years at houston in almost 2 decades
if you think houston was on "par" with expectations you are nuts

and side note, smu lost less players than the ucf and memphis....ucf lost 10 players preseason to opt out and about 6 more starters to bowl optouts....memphis lost all its preason key players except the qb (noteable gainwell and damonte coxie, who were seen as 1st team all conference)
also why are you adding wins to smu-- you were 7-3 and you last 2 games were losses including a blowut loss to ecu, i dont know how you are assuring wins

I really don’t understand why you want to die on this hill so badly. What exactly are you arguing? That UCF’s season was a success? I understand you want the same parameters across the board, but you’re arguing the wrong side of it. We were favored to win the AAC in Vegas before the season started, and had the highest win over/under. This season was absolutely a huge disappointment. I understand it was for Houston as well considering you’re paying Dana 5 million, but you should argue for higher expectations for Houston not lower expectations for UCF
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(01-15-2021 05:46 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  I really don’t understand why you want to die on this hill so badly. What exactly are you arguing? That UCF’s season was a success? I understand you want the same parameters across the board, but you’re arguing the wrong side of it. We were favored to win the AAC in Vegas before the season started, and had the highest win over/under. This season was absolutely a huge disappointment. I understand it was for Houston as well considering you’re paying Dana 5 million, but you should argue for higher expectations for Houston not lower expectations for UCF

i have nowhere argued anyone individual teams expectations...which is the point you keep missing

my point was no way ucf is a d+ if houston is c and smu is B.....either lower the grades of smu and houston (and tons of other teams in that article) or raise ucfs... ucf is the only winning record team in the entire fbs he gave lower than a c on that article ...

you keep trying to point out that ucf had a bad season for whatever expectations, by itselfs, no one is judging ucf by itself,...
and specifically SMUleopold is saying houston did as was expected of it preseason, which isnt even reality

and notes that smu fans were decent despite losing it star players, i noted ucf and memphis also lost players, why is that an excuse for smu but not the other teams in the convo
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There's no way you can't call this season a disappointment for UCF. They were chosen as the preseason favorites for conference champions by the media poll, among others: https://theamerican.org/news/2020/9/1/fo...poll.aspx. They were expected by most to at least be in the CCG, and were out basically by the Tulsa loss. Hell, I had forgotten they had been in the top 10 by some polls early in the season.

To say that they were 'expected' to go undefeated might be too strong a statement, but it was certainly discussed openly and often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNFFtyCGoRU
https://www.espn.com/co llege-football/story/_/page/weeklyscenario0913/if-wins-ucf-playoff-chances-better-ever
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2884...ed-in-2020

Meanwhile, most preseason polls had SMU hovering around 4th, which is about where we ended up - also take a look at UCF's expectations:
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/160345689...redictions
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...redictions
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...451895001/ (<-- Memphis paper, so has the Tigers first, UCF 3rd, and SMU 4th, so take with grain of salt)
http://www.arenafanatic.com/aac-football...-2020.html
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2020/1/6...cf-knights (<---Had SMU 7th)
https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/08/...every-game (<--- Had SMU going 5-7)

To be fair, I found one that had SMU in the CCG, but this was the minority. Few had us beating Cincy and many had us dropping a game we shouldn't which is what happened. We did what non-SMU fans expected us to.

Which is why the problem word here might be 'expectations.' Clearly Houston, with it's strong resources and ambitious president, have expectations for themselves - that's fine. But non-UH based media put the cougars mid-pack going into the season and that's where they landed. So the guy who gave the grades based it on his preseason expectations, not the teams themselves; hell, if that had happened any team not in a CCG or with a winning season would have gotten a bad grade.

SMU met expectations.
Houston met unbiased expectations.
UCF did not.
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(01-15-2021 06:21 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  SMU met expectations.
Houston met unbiased expectations.
UCF did not.

houston projected to be a +.500 team before the season...houston was a double digit favorite against hawaii in the bowl



phil steele-- the biggest preseason prognosticator in college football- had smu 4th and houston 5th...in his article noted (which is actually my biggest rebuttal to all your article for random small media folks) that they see houston was 4-8 and lost king and dont go much deeper... in realistically houston redshirted 30 players that Houston should have been drastically better ...

ucf barely got 1st place on the preseason votes in the media poll..204 (ucf) to 201 (cincy)..
and that was before this

and then had 6 more opt out before the bowl

but smu losing 2 players is justifiable enough to get blown out by ecu?..and you have them when you barely beat texas state ..smu was horrible against the spread this year
and only smu can use losing players as justifiable?

all 3 had disappointing seasons....is my point....
anyone with any remote sense that went deeper than 4-8 and lost king would says houston has a bigger disappointing season that ucf..we didnt even have massive optout like other teams
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(01-15-2021 08:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 06:21 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  SMU met expectations.
Houston met unbiased expectations.
UCF did not.

houston projected to be a +.500 team before the season...houston was a double digit favorite against hawaii in the bowl



phil steele-- the biggest preseason prognosticator in college football- had smu 4th and houston 5th...in his article noted (which is actually my biggest rebuttal to all your article for random small media folks) that they see houston was 4-8 and lost king and dont go much deeper... in realistically houston redshirted 30 players that Houston should have been drastically better ...

ucf barely got 1st place on the preseason votes in the media poll..204 (ucf) to 201 (cincy)..
and that was before this

and then had 6 more opt out before the bowl

but smu losing 2 players is justifiable enough to get blown out by ecu?..and you have them when you barely beat texas state ..smu was horrible against the spread this year
and only smu can use losing players as justifiable?

all 3 had disappointing seasons....is my point....
anyone with any remote sense that went deeper than 4-8 and lost king would says houston has a bigger disappointing season that ucf..we didnt even have massive optout like other teams

Why do you keep mentioning our opt outs as a valid excuse? They were not game changers. We had all of our best players. Houston lost its best player and one of the best QB’s in the country. I understand 4-8 is disappointing, but football is a QB’s game. You have a bad one, you will be a bad team
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(01-15-2021 08:13 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Why do you keep mentioning our opt outs as a valid excuse? They were not game changers. We had all of our best players. Houston lost its best player and one of the best QB’s in the country. I understand 4-8 is disappointing, but football is a QB’s game. You have a bad one, you will be a bad team

Tay Gowan is literally projected to be one of the highest draft picks from the conference , the idea that he wasnt a game changers is inaccurate ...
marlon williams is not a game changers? or the defnsive starters?
even if those players werent game changers (some of them were) its about losing depth, what makes great teams great arent game changers but depth

also im not the biggest fan of tune (our qb)..but we Chose not to bring in a QB last offseason... holgs hyped up tune ot be amazing and that he would be amazing last season...technically that hasnt changed as he isnt bringing in a qb to compete with tune this offseason either, holgs expects tune to start next year aswell (there is actually a ban on talking about tune topic in the houston forum because our fans were raging on this topic)..in dana's mind we had an elite team, in his words "the ball just didnt bounce our way" in our games...
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(01-15-2021 08:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 08:13 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Why do you keep mentioning our opt outs as a valid excuse? They were not game changers. We had all of our best players. Houston lost its best player and one of the best QB’s in the country. I understand 4-8 is disappointing, but football is a QB’s game. You have a bad one, you will be a bad team

Tay Gowan is literally projected to be one of the highest draft picks from the conference , the idea that he wasnt a game changers is inaccurate ...
marlon williams is not a game changers? or the defnsive starters?
even if those players werent game changers (some of them were) its about losing depth, what makes great teams great arent game changers but depth

also im not the biggest fan of tune (our qb)..but we Chose not to bring in a QB last offseason... holgs hyped up tune ot be amazing and that he would be amazing last season...technically that hasnt changed as he isnt bringing in a qb to compete with tune this offseason either, holgs expects tune to start next year aswell (there is actually a ban on talking about tune topic in the houston forum because our fans were raging on this topic)..in dana's mind we had an elite team, in his words "the ball just didnt bounce our way" in our games...

Marlon literally played the entire season. He even played in the Cincy game while he was injured. He gave our school everything he had, and risked his NFL future for us. Tay Gowan one of the highest draft picks? Stop. He hasn’t played in over a year, and the year he did play he didn’t exactly light the world on fire. Our D-line starters would not have made a difference either. Our younger players played better than them when they got a chance. None of your arguments hold any water as far as we are concerned. As far as Houston, you’re in this situation because you hired a sub par coach. He is not a good recruiter, and he was in line to get fired at WVU. His year with Grier was fun, but paying him 5 million+ was foolish. Also didn’t help you lost King. I understand your coach hyped up a backup, but what do you think King leaving did to the psyche of your team? It ruined it. When an offense can’t score, even the best defenses lose heart. The same is true for teams. Even if everyone else other than King stayed it affected them deeply. It showed on the field
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(01-15-2021 08:44 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Marlon literally played the entire season. He even played in the Cincy game while he was injured. He gave our school everything he had, and risked his NFL future for us. Tay Gowan one of the highest draft picks? Stop. He hasn’t played in over a year, and the year he did play he didn’t exactly light the world on fire. Our D-line starters would not have made a difference either. Our younger players played better than them when they got a chance. None of your arguments hold any water as far as we are concerned. As far as Houston, you’re in this situation because you hired a sub par coach. He is not a good recruiter, and he was in line to get fired at WVU. His year with Grier was fun, but paying him 5 million+ was foolish. Also didn’t help you lost King. I understand your coach hyped up a backup, but what do you think King leaving did to the psyche of your team? It ruined it. When an offense can’t score, even the best defenses lose heart. The same is true for teams. Even if everyone else other than King stayed it affected them deeply. It showed on the field

marlon opted out of the bowl to prepare for the draft ..he didnt give everything he had

Gowen was given a second round grade by pff just a week ago
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-...-big-board
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(01-15-2021 08:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 08:44 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Marlon literally played the entire season. He even played in the Cincy game while he was injured. He gave our school everything he had, and risked his NFL future for us. Tay Gowan one of the highest draft picks? Stop. He hasn’t played in over a year, and the year he did play he didn’t exactly light the world on fire. Our D-line starters would not have made a difference either. Our younger players played better than them when they got a chance. None of your arguments hold any water as far as we are concerned. As far as Houston, you’re in this situation because you hired a sub par coach. He is not a good recruiter, and he was in line to get fired at WVU. His year with Grier was fun, but paying him 5 million+ was foolish. Also didn’t help you lost King. I understand your coach hyped up a backup, but what do you think King leaving did to the psyche of your team? It ruined it. When an offense can’t score, even the best defenses lose heart. The same is true for teams. Even if everyone else other than King stayed it affected them deeply. It showed on the field

marlon opted out of the bowl to prepare for the draft ..he didnt give everything he had

Gowen was given a second round grade by pff just a week ago
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-...-big-board

He did. He already shouldn’t have played the Cincy game. No reason to play in a meaningless bowl game and risk re-aggregating an ongoing injury. Saying “He didn’t give everything” is ignorant and disrespectful

If you actually listen to PFF you’re a fool. That website is absolutely awful, and has no idea how to rate secondaries or any position group for that matter. Just today I read they have the Saints secondary ranked behind the Bucs by about 20 spots for the season ahead of their matchup, that should tell you all you need to know. Tay Gowan is a good college corner, but he is not a second round player. 4-5th round if that, unless he times in the 4.3’s which is unlikely. Richie Grant is the only potential 2nd rounder we have in the secondary, he is 10 times the player that Gowan is. Marlon is likely a 3-5
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(01-15-2021 08:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 08:44 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Marlon literally played the entire season. He even played in the Cincy game while he was injured. He gave our school everything he had, and risked his NFL future for us. Tay Gowan one of the highest draft picks? Stop. He hasn’t played in over a year, and the year he did play he didn’t exactly light the world on fire. Our D-line starters would not have made a difference either. Our younger players played better than them when they got a chance. None of your arguments hold any water as far as we are concerned. As far as Houston, you’re in this situation because you hired a sub par coach. He is not a good recruiter, and he was in line to get fired at WVU. His year with Grier was fun, but paying him 5 million+ was foolish. Also didn’t help you lost King. I understand your coach hyped up a backup, but what do you think King leaving did to the psyche of your team? It ruined it. When an offense can’t score, even the best defenses lose heart. The same is true for teams. Even if everyone else other than King stayed it affected them deeply. It showed on the field

marlon opted out of the bowl to prepare for the draft ..he didnt give everything he had

Gowen was given a second round grade by pff just a week ago
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-...-big-board

Marlon opted out of the usf game as well.

UCF's season was basically over before it started...bad blood between mostly "Frost" recruits and Heupel recruits...good news is most of those cancers are gone.

UCF had more opt outs (10) than any other team in the country while solid teams and others like BYU had none.

Players like Davis, Gowan, Dawson, etc...were key starters not there this season on D...and then losing the 4 defensive starters who were (rightfuly) kicked off the team mid-season...and then you end up with bowl season opt outs...thats how you end up with scout team players STARTING in a bowl game.

In UCF's 2019 Bowl Game vs Marshall...only 1 defensive starter was a Senior, as 10 others were expected back this year.

For the 2020 UCF Bowl Game....only 1 of those 10 defensive starters from that 2019 Bowl game that should have been on the team in 2020...were no where to be found.

Hopefully, UCF (and all AAC Teams) can get in a FULL Spring Practice and a "normal" off-season (players aren't sent home) to help them come 2021.

NOTE: UCF has a record 12 Jan enrollees (HS, Transfers and JUCO) for their program which hopefully will pay off come Sept.
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Just doesn't seem logical to rate any team's performance this year with any sort of true objectivity since it was so marred by the pandemic. It was NOT a normal football season.
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(01-16-2021 09:20 AM)CoogPaw Wrote:  Just doesn't seem logical to rate any team's performance this year with any sort of true objectivity since it was so marred by the pandemic. It was NOT a normal football season.

I think you can rate everyone's performance - USF's sucked, btw - but just with the caveat that because of the virus, this year is probably an outlier that conclusions about the future should not be drawn from.
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