(01-13-2021 01:03 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  BUMP... 17 more pages till 100

Reach for the stars...
Of course there is always Barber College.

(01-13-2021 12:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 10:48 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 10:15 AM)Todor Wrote:  Glad NMSU has their schedules largely built already. Maybe we can at least get more home football games. 2 for 1 home stands like we have with Hawaii could work.

2021 we have Dixie among 12 scheduled games

2022 we have an open date or 2 among 11 scheduled games- need more home games

2023 we have 9 games already scheduled games- need more home games

2024 we have Abilene in our 10 so far scheduled games

Two for one football games would be a nice gesture toward new WAC conference mates. FBS teams don’t normally schedule away games at FCS schools.

It was kind of a joke because I doubt NMSU would do it but it would add home game revenue. Though in football we will still not be conference mates. If its done with the 2 home games up front and a conference affiliation clause, chances of us having to ever go and play the returns will be slim because they'll all be in whatever new conference by that point. And like they say now, what sense would it make to play out your old schedules instead of playing your new conference mates--who ever they might be in a few years.

You are truly a pessimist. You must be a long time NMSU football season ticket holder.

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:10 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 07:51 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2021 02:17 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  They did give a 2 year notice. I also heard the rumors regarding the SLC, so hopefully they worked it out and hopefully they are coming next year.

As for scheduling, why can't they keep their current schedule? They are all FCS teams with FCS schedules.

Re: scheduling. Why join a new conference if you aren’t busy going to play a conference schedule in your new home conference?

If this is how they think on the way in, this is also how they will think on the way out, when they leave us hanging.

What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:10 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 07:51 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  Re: scheduling. Why join a new conference if you aren’t busy going to play a conference schedule in your new home conference?

If this is how they think on the way in, this is also how they will think on the way out, when they leave us hanging.

What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:10 AM)Todor Wrote:  If this is how they think on the way in, this is also how they will think on the way out, when they leave us hanging.

What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

Appreciate the kudos but I was looking at all this through rose-colored glasses too until I thought through what you were saying. While I'm not convinced the far eastern Texas additions will be out the door so quickly everyone should be looking at this through open eyes. Their coming aboard is really a marriage of convenience inasmuch as their long-term objective will not be to remain in the WAC even if the conference proves to be stable and competitive. Tough position for NMSU which has to support the additions for the short-term benefits but is likely to be undermined by them in the long run.

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:10 AM)Todor Wrote:  If this is how they think on the way in, this is also how they will think on the way out, when they leave us hanging.

What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

That comment takes a lot of nerve there sport. I mean your are a New Mexico State fan, right? Not Arizona State or Rice some other institution that’s actually earned the right to consider themselves superior in academics or athletics.

(01-13-2021 03:31 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

Appreciate the kudos but I was looking at all this through rose-colored glasses too until I thought through what you were saying. While I'm not convinced the far eastern Texas additions will be out the door so quickly everyone should be looking at this through open eyes. Their coming aboard is really a marriage of convenience inasmuch as their long-term objective will not be to remain in the WAC even if the conference proves to be stable and competitive. In the meantime everyone may as well try to enjoy the ride.

Meanwhile, these schools can smooth the entry for Dixie football, Southern Utah, and hopefully several more to come. If they stay just long enough for some FBS level activity (whatever it may be)_for the conference, long term the WAC may have a real shot attracting some actual FBS schools.

(01-13-2021 03:34 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

That comment takes a lot of nerve there sport. I mean your are a New Mexico State fan, right? Not Arizona State or Rice some other institution that’s actually earned the right to consider themselves superior in academics or athletics.

Don't even bother. Dude's a

There's an emoji for that, Itinerant? Impressive

(01-13-2021 04:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  There's an emoji for that, Itinerant? Impressive

Indeed there is, sir. Only to be used in the most extreme cases of douchebaggery.

Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

(01-13-2021 04:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

That's a fair point. But some people had barely heard the rumors theirs schools MIGHT join before they started harping on getting rid of certain members. When it was "agreed" Chicago would be leaving, they moved on next to how far Seattle is, and how they're the last outlier etc.

That is the only thing that even made me think about how foolish it would be to be so gung ho to transform the conference for schools that have yet to prove they will even be around. And then, then idea starter to form. I didn't think it up just for fun. If it doesn't make a new, it doesn't make sense. Perhaps they will defy any sort of logic and stay.

(01-13-2021 03:34 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  What does this even mean?

I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

That comment takes a lot of nerve there sport. I mean your are a New Mexico State fan, right? Not Arizona State or Rice some other institution that’s actually earned the right to consider themselves superior in academics or athletics.

Well, what conference wants either school? Start listing them. No conference wants New Mexico State either. That's why we're all here. Get over it and stop crying.

You can feign offense, but unless you have evidence of what I said being untrue... None of them were even insults until you chose to take it that way.

I don't know why I took you off ignore a while back. See ya.

(01-13-2021 05:11 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 04:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

That's a fair point. But some people had barely heard the rumors theirs schools MIGHT join before they started harping on getting rid of certain members. When it was "agreed" Chicago would be leaving, they moved on next to how far Seattle is, and how they're the last outlier etc.

That is the only thing that even made me think about how foolish it would be to be so gung ho to transform the conference for schools that have yet to prove they will even be around. And then, then idea starter to form. I didn't think it up just for fun. If it doesn't make a new, it doesn't make sense. Perhaps they will defy any sort of logic and stay.

There has been a lot posted here. I have personally tried to stick to what was being "reported" by "credible" sources (I still have no idea who Matt Brown is and how he knew all of this was gonna happen).

And I am just trying to savor the moment. NMSU has desperately wanted to be in an FBS conference along with their Oly sports. We have long thought we had 3 options: MWC, CSUA and Sunbelt. We are a geographical outlier in CUSA and the SB. And the MWC would never take us, plus several current members have screwed us over from the former BW and former WAC. It is surreal to me that we may finally have what we always wanted, that most schools are actually in the West/SW and that maybe, just maybe we can have a little FB success since we are somewhat the big brother for these new schools since we are already FBS.

(01-13-2021 05:20 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 03:34 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

That comment takes a lot of nerve there sport. I mean your are a New Mexico State fan, right? Not Arizona State or Rice some other institution that’s actually earned the right to consider themselves superior in academics or athletics.

Well, what conference wants either school? Start listing them. No conference wants New Mexico State either. That's why we're all here. Get over it and stop crying. I don't know why I took you off ignore a while back. See ya.

Thank you, please leave me on ignore until you can interact with grown ups.

(01-13-2021 04:38 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 03:34 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:59 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 02:02 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 09:35 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  I guess it is apparently a bad thing for conference members to want to compete against other conference members??????? A statement like the bolded one makes no sense.

I understand where Todor is coming from. Under current NCAA rules, once the Texas 4 join the WAC any or all could choose to begin the process of reclassifying to FBS without any special exemption from the NCAA (because they'll be in a conference that "previously met the definition" of an FBS conference). After moving up they would function like NMSU, playing as FBS independents, because the WAC would almost certainly still be short of having the eight FBS full members it would need to be deemed an FBS conference. That would be fine for NMSU in the short run because it would make scheduling easier.

However by doing so one or more of the Texas 4 would also have positioned themselves to be potentially more attractive candidates than NMSU to join the Sun Belt or CUSA if either conference had a reason to expand in the next few years. This could happen if the Sun Belt decided to add a couple of Texas members to fill in the geographic gap between Louisiana Lafayette and Texas State, or if the MWC lost Boise State to the AAC and backfilled with one to three Texas CUSA members and CUSA wanted replacements, or if some other realignment earthquake came along.

While any WAC schools still playing FCS football wouldn't be affected, NMSU would be right back in the same position it is now, essentially having been leapfrogged in the contest to land an FBS conference membership. If I were an NMSU fan this prospect would also worry me.

Having said that, I wouldn't be worried that all of the Texas WAC members might leave en masse to join another conference or start their own conference. I can't imagine a realistic scenario under which any existing D1 conference would be in the market for all of them, and there are significant downsides to starting a new D1 conference under current NCAA rules.

HawaiiMongoose, you can see beyond your own nose and have foresight that extends beyond when you are due your next meal. That's why I like you. And you also know more about the WAC than any of these clowns who didn't even know who was in it until 3 months ago.

This Pollyanna attitude that this is all just happening randomly for no reason other than the most superficial explanation possible is fine for some people I guess. There is nothing pessimistic about my prediction. That would mean that these 4 teams joining is some gloriously fortuitous event. It isn't. Its simply a logical step in a plan that they cant yet see.

Assuming the Mountain West and Conference USA will remain off limits to New Mexico State in the future (unless they collapsed the way the WAC did when NMSU finally got in in 05, and in that scenario, why would we want in) then the Aggies will remain in the hunt for an FBS conference. Having potentially 4 new bottom feeding FBS programs with a big geographic advantage will not help us find a home either. If a conference needs members (like literally, any team with FBS status) like CUSA or the Sunbelt will at some point, they'll always take the schools 20_miles away because they won't care who they play, but they probably can't afford the extra travel to get to NMSU.

They are using the WAC as a stepping stone, with absolutely no interest other than what the WAC can do for them. The WAC can however, use the additional football schools in the meantime to get legit members like Southern Utah. None of it is good or bad, optimistic or pessimistic. It just is what it is.

Now, Tarleton and ACU may actually stick around. No one else would ever take either one. Their locations, short D1 histories, low funding and academics make them a poor fit for most conferences. They are poor fits for the WAC as well, but having them isn't as members is kind of like why we have Chicago State. We need the numbers, so literally nothing else matters... The other 3 are as good as gone. They'll never even have both feet in the door.

That comment takes a lot of nerve there sport. I mean your are a New Mexico State fan, right? Not Arizona State or Rice some other institution that’s actually earned the right to consider themselves superior in academics or athletics.

Don't even bother. Dude's a

I know, I felt dirty for dignifying him with a response. I should have just rolled my eyes and reminded myself that every fan base has a guy like him but I’m feeling cantankerous today.

(01-13-2021 05:23 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 05:11 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 04:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

That's a fair point. But some people had barely heard the rumors theirs schools MIGHT join before they started harping on getting rid of certain members. When it was "agreed" Chicago would be leaving, they moved on next to how far Seattle is, and how they're the last outlier etc.

That is the only thing that even made me think about how foolish it would be to be so gung ho to transform the conference for schools that have yet to prove they will even be around. And then, then idea starter to form. I didn't think it up just for fun. If it doesn't make a new, it doesn't make sense. Perhaps they will defy any sort of logic and stay.

There has been a lot posted here. I have personally tried to stick to what was being "reported" by "credible" sources (I still have no idea who Matt Brown is and how he knew all of this was gonna happen).

And I am just trying to savor the moment. NMSU has desperately wanted to be in an FBS conference along with their Oly sports. We have long thought we had 3 options: MWC, CSUA and Sunbelt. We are a geographical outlier in CUSA and the SB. And the MWC would never take us, plus several current members have screwed us over from the former BW and former WAC. It is surreal to me that we may finally have what we always wanted, that most schools are actually in the West/SW and that maybe, just maybe we can have a little FB success since we are somewhat the big brother for these new schools since we are already FBS.

And the current members got that by sticking together thru some pretty rough years. Its offensive how much talk there has been of booting long time members.

(01-13-2021 04:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

Agreed, PP. I'm excited. There are soooooooo many things that have to happen before anyone, or the league, is ready for FBS so in my eyes, no need to speculate. I admire the conviction the new members have, even if today it is with an eye to leave the WAC when they are ready. Who knows how those views may change over time.

EDIT: I am most interested in understanding what the divisions will end up being. If we go to divisions in Oly sports (can't see why we wouldn't), what division is NMSU going to end up in.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

(01-13-2021 05:45 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 04:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

Agreed, PP. I'm excited. There are soooooooo many things that have to happen before anyone, or the league, is ready for FBS so in my eyes, no need to speculate. I admire the conviction the new members have, even if today it is with an eye to leave the WAC when they are ready. Who knows how those views may change over time.

EDIT: I am most interested in understanding what the divisions will end up being. If we go to divisions in Oly sports (can't see why we wouldn't), what division is NMSU going to end up in.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

I think that there is a bit of residual skepticism among NMSU fans because of what happened with TSU and UTSA who received their invitation to move up to FBS from the WAC then almost immediately jumped to the SB and CUSA. It is not unreasonable to be a little bit worried that there might be a repeat. For those on the cusp of entering the WAC, please don't be put off by those who voice that concern, and by all means do what you can to assure that your respective school is with us for the long haul. Let's give each other a little room for divergent thoughts.

(01-13-2021 06:51 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 05:45 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 04:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Man, just when I think this thread has run it's course, someone comes up with a new angle to take us down a bunny trail. We now have new theories about schools leaving that haven't even been added yet. Can you imagine the coordination, back door deals, secrets, etc. needed to pull this off? So many moving parts. Even when we get great news, we have conspiracy theorists tear it all down. I am excited for the new schools. I am excited for NMSU. I am excited about the possibilities.

Agreed, PP. I'm excited. There are soooooooo many things that have to happen before anyone, or the league, is ready for FBS so in my eyes, no need to speculate. I admire the conviction the new members have, even if today it is with an eye to leave the WAC when they are ready. Who knows how those views may change over time.

EDIT: I am most interested in understanding what the divisions will end up being. If we go to divisions in Oly sports (can't see why we wouldn't), what division is NMSU going to end up in.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

I think that there is a bit of residual skepticism among NMSU fans because of what happened with TSU and UTSA who received their invitation to move up to FBS from the WAC then almost immediately jumped to the SB and CUSA. It is not unreasonable to be a little bit worried that there might be a repeat. For those on the cusp of entering the WAC, please don't be put off by those who voice that concern, and by all means do what you can to assure that your respective school is with us for the long haul. Let's give each other a little room for divergent thoughts.

The comments I took issue with went well beyond divergent thoughts about whether the Texas schools would jump ship. They were condescending jabs at the academic and athletic integrity of invited schools.