(01-11-2021 11:11 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: (01-10-2021 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-10-2021 01:42 AM)TripleA Wrote: (01-09-2021 01:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: Again, I go back to this option with the 5-1-2 model: The G5 team must meet certain criteria to make the playoff. Otherwise, there will no G5 team for that season and three at-large participants instead of two. Simple.
Now, and admittedly, what those criterion would be ...
Why does there have to be criterion only for the G5 entry? Is there criterion for each of the 5 P5 auto bids? Who says all 5 P5 champs would be in the top 8 each year? You could theoretically have a 3 or 4 loss champ.
I think the CFP needs to include the best G5 team to avoid an eventual anti-trust lawsuit, if they don't do it. Right now, at 4 slots, they can hide behind the fact that they don't allow all P5 champs in, either. At 8, they wouldn't have that cover.
Problem with 5/1/2 is that who the "best" G5 team is will be totally subjective, chosen by a committee and thus prone to the same biases that many claim mar the selection of the current CFP teams. Look at this year - on paper, Coastal was at least as impressive as Cincy, but Coastal was always ranked well behind them, because Cincy is a higher profile program. Cincy had the same bias working against Coastal that Ohio State had working against Cincy. That's likely the way the G5 autobid would work - higher profile programs like Cincy, UCF, Memphis, Houston and Boise would have a brand recognition advantage over teams from the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt.
Also, I think 5/1/2 is more prone to anti-trust than straight 8, because with straight 8, like the CFP and BCS, no conference has an autobid. With 5/1/2, each P5 would but each G5 would not, that's a formal distinction that could cause legal trouble.
I absolutely agree with this.
You've mentioned earlier that the biggest beneficiary of the P5+ 1 G5 + 2 option would be the AAC. There is a huge gap between the perception of Memphis, Houston, UCF, Cincy, Boise, etc and the perception any Sun Belt team. It's probably a bigger gap than the gap between UCF and the competitors for 2nd place in the SEC.
I'm laughing at all of this because Quo won't call it what it is. The bias is market size and viewer base. UCF doesn't compete with 6th place in the SEC when it comes to national draw. Records and how good you may be aren't relevant. Cincinnati's advantage over Coastal Carolina is not in ability, but in market size for an event which is televised for profit.
I get totally bumfuzzled listening to the mental gymnastics of denial on this board. Notre Dame got in over A&M because of national draw. Ohio State got in over Baylor and TCU in the past because of national draw. The CFP is a for profit enterprise to which ESPN holds the rights. The selection committee functions as a thin veil to cover the fact that the 4 participants are only initially considered on record but finally selected for advertising profits.
The AAC is no better than the Sun Belt and was second to them in performance this year among the G5. But the AAC was created for niche media purposes to reach cities within the top 100 demographics where the P5 didn't actually have a school. Memphis, Philadelphia, Houston, Cincinnati, Orlando, Tampa/St. Petersburg, New Orleans, Tulsa, etc. the few that don't fall into that category are schools which have competed well with solid attendance.
Name me the Sun Belt schools located in markets of this size???
So drop the genital measuring from a competitive standpoint and call it what it is, business! Why are the SEC and Big 10 stronger than the Big 12 which is stronger than the ACC or PAC? Viewers!
What has realignment been about? Shaping market reach to maximize profits before technology allowed for accurate viewer counts. Now it's about total viewers which is why realignment is still going on.
It is not, and has not been about, who has better football teams and who has better basketball teams. Only the deluded and imbecilic cling to those notions because they don't want to believe or admit that what they love so dearly isn't about who has the best team. It's about who has the best team that draws the biggest viewership. And as long as corporate America through the networks they own makes a profit by broadcasting the games it will remain this way.
This is why the propaganda is against 4 champs or even 8 champs playing it off. Without selection committees to maximize the national reach by the inclusion of schools that reach the demographics that the frontrunners don't reach the networks would fail to cover expenditures or meet revenue projections.
The NCAA tourney included so many small schools and then seeds them against the goliaths because those kinds of mismatches are appealing to the public and perfect cover for a system that usually only has one true Cinderella in the sweet sixteen and then that school is usually a P5 or solid basketball school with an established brand. The ratings for the tourney are much higher and advertising more profitable from the Sweet 16 through the Final Flour so who gives a flip at the Networks what happens in the first couple of rounds. That's where the gamblers and small school fans get their interest invested.
If you could play a football game every 2 days maybe the CFP would be larger. You can't so it will never be the NCAA tourney. Maybe we go to 8 games but the CCG money isn't split between all conferences so the Big 10 and SEC have no incentive.
Again it's business and its all about money and has nothing to do with fan fantasies and I sincerely doubt the Networks have an interest in losing the safety net of the selection committees as much as all of us hate them. They exist to maximize ad revenue. Never forget that and you won't be so pissed at the wrong people when your small market school doesn't get the recognition it deserves and is passed over not only for the CFP but for the Big Bowls, which are also about money.
As a moderator what pisses me off are the number of angry fans of smaller schools that ignorantly think all P5 fans and people from larger conferences in the G5 are out to get them. We fans have no voice and almost all of us want a fairer system. But it isn't about sports, who is the best, or who had the most outstanding year. It's about profits. If you are pissed aim your frustration at ESPN and FOX. But please quit speculating a myriad of BS reasons it is like it is when there is only truly one answer, profits.
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Another sad showing by AAC
