(12-29-2020 11:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 01:06 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This is a damned if Penny does and damned if Penny doesn't. If he does change the offense he has to admit the old system did not work and gets questioned why he ever ran it. If he doesn't change it then we all bemoan our horrible offense... With that in mind you can take the interview one of two ways, mainly negative or mainly positive.

Personally, I am giving Penny the benefit of the doubt here. I am much more encouraged that he recognized his very broken system (albeit very obvious), admitted it and is taking steps to correct it. That is pretty much what you want in leader when he sees his strategy is not working. The alternative if he refuse to admit its broken and continue running it.

Here is my summary of the interview
- It started off bad. He did basically take credit for the defense and then say he turned the offense over to Cody and it did not work and he (Penny) did not understand it enough to question Cody.
- He then basically blamed the players for playing for themselves and not for the team.
- Okay, had the interview ended after 2 or 3 minutes it would have been a disaster.
- As the interview, I thought he began expounding on the above and it became clear that he was not placing the blame on the players or Cody. I thought he actually accepted the blame for not stepping in quickly enough and not trusting himself and his offense enough to implement it.
- I also thought what he said about the team in South Dakota made a lot of sense. He clearly planned on Deandre being eligible by the first game and game planned accordingly. When they did not happen they basically went in unprepared. They also did not have time due to COVID to get all of their defensive presses and alignments in place.
- In the end it sounded like a 2nd or 3rd year head coach coming to the realization that he has some successes (defense) and has some failures (offense) and realizes them and is attempting to adjust accordingly. It is just my opinion but that is all you can really expect and hope for with a first time head coach only 2 seasons in...

I think there are two ways you can take the interview.

I have no issues with him changing the offense or the actions he is taking to fix it.

But some things need to stay internal...Especially when you are making 2 Million Dollars+ a year and your assistant likely doesn't make 1/10th of that.

He definitely threw Cody and the players under the bus at the beginning but I really do not think he meant for it to come across that way. In that, I really do not think he was trying to place the blame on them but rather was trying to honestly discuss the teams struggles. As you stated, this should just not have been discussed publicly because there is really no way to state it without it sounding like he was shifting blame to everyone around him.

With that said... He did go on and I think clarify in the final part of his interview that he saw himself, his lack of understanding and his unwillingness to question as the root of the problem...

I am just glad he is acknowledging the offense is bad and taking steps to try and fix it.

(12-29-2020 01:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 11:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 01:06 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This is a damned if Penny does and damned if Penny doesn't. If he does change the offense he has to admit the old system did not work and gets questioned why he ever ran it. If he doesn't change it then we all bemoan our horrible offense... With that in mind you can take the interview one of two ways, mainly negative or mainly positive.

Personally, I am giving Penny the benefit of the doubt here. I am much more encouraged that he recognized his very broken system (albeit very obvious), admitted it and is taking steps to correct it. That is pretty much what you want in leader when he sees his strategy is not working. The alternative if he refuse to admit its broken and continue running it.

Here is my summary of the interview
- It started off bad. He did basically take credit for the defense and then say he turned the offense over to Cody and it did not work and he (Penny) did not understand it enough to question Cody.
- He then basically blamed the players for playing for themselves and not for the team.
- Okay, had the interview ended after 2 or 3 minutes it would have been a disaster.
- As the interview, I thought he began expounding on the above and it became clear that he was not placing the blame on the players or Cody. I thought he actually accepted the blame for not stepping in quickly enough and not trusting himself and his offense enough to implement it.
- I also thought what he said about the team in South Dakota made a lot of sense. He clearly planned on Deandre being eligible by the first game and game planned accordingly. When they did not happen they basically went in unprepared. They also did not have time due to COVID to get all of their defensive presses and alignments in place.
- In the end it sounded like a 2nd or 3rd year head coach coming to the realization that he has some successes (defense) and has some failures (offense) and realizes them and is attempting to adjust accordingly. It is just my opinion but that is all you can really expect and hope for with a first time head coach only 2 seasons in...

I think there are two ways you can take the interview.

I have no issues with him changing the offense or the actions he is taking to fix it.

But some things need to stay internal...Especially when you are making 2 Million Dollars+ a year and your assistant likely doesn't make 1/10th of that.

He definitely threw Cody and the players under the bus at the beginning but I really do not think he meant for it to come across that way. In that, I really do not think he was trying to place the blame on them but rather was trying to honestly discuss the teams struggles. As you stated, this should just not have been discussed publicly because there is really no way to state it without it sounding like he was shifting blame to everyone around him.

With that said... He did go on and I think clarify in the final part of his interview that he saw himself, his lack of understanding and his unwillingness to question as the root of the problem...

I am just glad he is acknowledging the offense is bad and taking steps to try and fix it.

Penny could have simply stated the obvious that the offense isn't working, that's on me & we are going to make some changes.

(12-29-2020 05:27 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I've read over and over again on this board that Penny needed to hire someone and delegate the x and o's of the offense to them, then Penny admits he was delegating the x and o's on offense to an assistant coach and the same people scream its embarrassing that he would delegate the offensive x and o's to another coach.

I'm not here enough to know if anyone was embarrassed about Penny handing over the offensive reigns to an asst., but I don't think for a minute anyone should be.

Even Cal a former NBA coach, implemented an offense he learned from a Pepperdine coach. The dribble drive. Didn't he ask that coach to teach it to him?

(12-29-2020 12:54 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 12:43 PM)criticallyill Wrote:  Be happy he is trying to make a change. What was going on before wasnt working. If he didn't make the change, people would be bitching too.

I really can't imagine that having one guy dribble and the other players standing around was the way the offense was designed. The players weren't executing the offense. If we install a new offense I don't know why the results would be any different.

I think it may be a combination of both. The players couldn't/wouldn't execute what Penny wanted, and maybe Penny didn't know how to fix it.

Of course, I keep looking for a smoking gun and honestly I can't find one. I just don't understand the game well enough to pinpoint the problem I guess.

All I know is, I see the same thing we all see. Things are not working and we need a change. Let's hope what Penny is about to do works and we see an about face starting tonight.

(12-29-2020 02:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 01:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 11:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 01:06 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This is a damned if Penny does and damned if Penny doesn't. If he does change the offense he has to admit the old system did not work and gets questioned why he ever ran it. If he doesn't change it then we all bemoan our horrible offense... With that in mind you can take the interview one of two ways, mainly negative or mainly positive.

Personally, I am giving Penny the benefit of the doubt here. I am much more encouraged that he recognized his very broken system (albeit very obvious), admitted it and is taking steps to correct it. That is pretty much what you want in leader when he sees his strategy is not working. The alternative if he refuse to admit its broken and continue running it.

Here is my summary of the interview
- It started off bad. He did basically take credit for the defense and then say he turned the offense over to Cody and it did not work and he (Penny) did not understand it enough to question Cody.
- He then basically blamed the players for playing for themselves and not for the team.
- Okay, had the interview ended after 2 or 3 minutes it would have been a disaster.
- As the interview, I thought he began expounding on the above and it became clear that he was not placing the blame on the players or Cody. I thought he actually accepted the blame for not stepping in quickly enough and not trusting himself and his offense enough to implement it.
- I also thought what he said about the team in South Dakota made a lot of sense. He clearly planned on Deandre being eligible by the first game and game planned accordingly. When they did not happen they basically went in unprepared. They also did not have time due to COVID to get all of their defensive presses and alignments in place.
- In the end it sounded like a 2nd or 3rd year head coach coming to the realization that he has some successes (defense) and has some failures (offense) and realizes them and is attempting to adjust accordingly. It is just my opinion but that is all you can really expect and hope for with a first time head coach only 2 seasons in...

I think there are two ways you can take the interview.

I have no issues with him changing the offense or the actions he is taking to fix it.

But some things need to stay internal...Especially when you are making 2 Million Dollars+ a year and your assistant likely doesn't make 1/10th of that.

He definitely threw Cody and the players under the bus at the beginning but I really do not think he meant for it to come across that way. In that, I really do not think he was trying to place the blame on them but rather was trying to honestly discuss the teams struggles. As you stated, this should just not have been discussed publicly because there is really no way to state it without it sounding like he was shifting blame to everyone around him.

With that said... He did go on and I think clarify in the final part of his interview that he saw himself, his lack of understanding and his unwillingness to question as the root of the problem...

I am just glad he is acknowledging the offense is bad and taking steps to try and fix it.

Penny could have simply started the obvious that the offense isn't working, that's on me & we are going to make some changes.

He did on the backend of the interview. He just started off the interview in a really bad way.

(12-28-2020 10:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Another thing that raises a flag with me as a stupid fan is what happened with the last hire for an assistant coach? Penny hires a moron to replace Miller I presume. It took forever. Why didn't more qualified assistants apply for the job? Something is not right. Nobody but this idiot wanted to be the assistant for Penny?

My point is there is something going on that would make M. Miller leave to be nothing and nobody wants to work for Penny. Somethings not right.

If I'm a journalist, I smell a story.

Antonio Anderson was interviewed. Not much experience but at least might have instilled some toughness in these guys.

LION offense? what kinda lion?

(12-29-2020 09:10 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  LION offense? what kinda lion?

I heard lying...

Because he must be lying if this is what he calls an offense.

(12-29-2020 09:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-29-2020 09:10 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  LION offense? what kinda lion?

I heard lying...

Because he must be lying if this is what he calls an offense.

Funny...

(12-28-2020 10:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Another thing that raises a flag with me as a stupid fan is what happened with the last hire for an assistant coach? Penny hires a moron to replace Miller I presume. It took forever. Why didn't more qualified assistants apply for the job? Something is not right. Nobody but this idiot wanted to be the assistant for Penny?

My point is there is something going on that would make M. Miller leave to be nothing and nobody wants to work for Penny. Somethings not right.

If I'm a journalist, I smell a story.

COVID budget. They won't say it, but it's a financial deal. The delay and who we actually ended up with (i.e. cheap).

Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Are you saying flash cards are next?

(12-30-2020 01:17 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Are you saying flash cards are next?

And juice boxes! Don't mind him...he's gone over to the other side.

(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

At least Penny is willing to make a change in his 3rd year. Josh refused to listen to anyone, even other coaches about what he needed to do in order to improve as a coach. Took getting ran out of town and starting over before he was willing to consider he might not have all the answers.

(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

lol no kidding. Scientology religion is not much of a foundation for basketball.

Pastner, I met in person at the Vegas tournament...I'm probably the only person who found him creepy and disingenuous, but o well... nuff said. lol

Nobody's gonna please everybody and nobody's perfect. Some fans will search for Nobody till the end of their days, though. lol

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

No I'm part of the realists group who see positive in some things, negative in others. Just finding very little positive in the MBB program currently. Great win last night considering - and that was positive if not hopeful for the future games.

(12-30-2020 01:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

At least Penny is willing to make a change in his 3rd year. Josh refused to listen to anyone, even other coaches about what he needed to do in order to improve as a coach. Took getting ran out of town and starting over before he was willing to consider he might not have all the answers.

Not sure Penny is listening to anyone but he is at least talking about change based upon his observations. Hope he will shorten the rotation but I'm concerned about who will be among that shortened rotation. Can't afford any less offense on the floor or to play without a big in the middle, IMO.