Here's how you get the 16 teams

10 conference champs
3 P5 CCG losers
3 G5 CCG losers

1st rd at ESPN owned bowls
Quarters at mid-tier bowls
Semis and final at 4 of the NY6

This would hopefully encourage the Indies into conferences

No, 10 conference champs and 6 at-larges. “Encourage indies to join conferences.” Why? Stop trying to put teams in conferences.

Most independents want a conference minus Notre Dame. Byu would leap at a big 12 offer. 16 is way to many. There is not 4 worthy teams this year for the playoff.

We might need a subforum for Erictelevision threads.

(12-23-2020 09:10 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Here's how you get the 16 teams

10 conference champs
3 P5 CCG losers
3 G5 CCG losers

1st rd at ESPN owned bowls
Quarters at mid-tier bowls
Semis and final at 4 of the NY6

This would hopefully encourage the Indies into conferences

It hasn't been uncommon for the 2nd best team in the country to be a division runnerup. Alabama would argue the best team was a runnerup in 2011, although they didn't show it on the field in the regular season. In 2008, perhaps the best team in the country lost their division in a 3 way tiebreak between 11-1 teams and they beat the team called the champion.

I admit my idea had flaws, BUT I'm surprised nobody(at least that I see) is offended I want to give G5s a path to a NC.

There aren't but three independents that are attractive to conferences for football membership. Two of those want to stay independent (ND and Army) and the other isn't joining a conference unless it's a P5 (BYU).

So how exactly are you going to force conferences to add the rest of the independents?

(12-23-2020 09:46 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I admit my idea had flaws, BUT I'm surprised nobody(at least that I see) is offended I want to give G5s a path to a NC.

Giving Louisiana, Tulsa, and... Buffalo/Boise bids to the 16-team playoff but not A&M or Indiana is silly.

(12-23-2020 09:10 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Here's how you get the 16 teams

10 conference champs
3 P5 CCG losers
3 G5 CCG losers

1st rd at ESPN owned bowls
Quarters at mid-tier bowls
Semis and final at 4 of the NY6

This would hopefully encourage the Indies into conferences

Still not "the fairest".

Unless you want EVERYONE in the playoff a system BY DEFINITION will be flawed.

RENADPAT: what's your idea?

Here's the easiest way to get to a 16 team tournament.

P5 consolidates to P4. The P4 each have 4 divisions. Add semifinal games to the CCGs. Only P4 champs to the CFP.

Be one of the 16 teams to win your division and you're in the playoffs.

Not a bad idea, but I believe it should be 10 Conf winners, plus 6 at larges. The stronger conferences will get more at larges. If the SEC gets 3 at large bids so be it. Use minor bowls for the first round. Keep the bowls for those teams that don't make playoffs.

Short of that, if you have to go to an 8 team playoff, you could go to the 8 highest ranked teams, similar to they are doing now, or you could do the top 6 ranked conference winners, and 2 at larges. You are only adding 1 game by going to an 8 team playoff.

(12-23-2020 10:06 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:46 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I admit my idea had flaws, BUT I'm surprised nobody(at least that I see) is offended I want to give G5s a path to a NC.

Giving Louisiana, Tulsa, and... Buffalo/Boise bids to the 16-team playoff but not A&M or Indiana is silly.

Why is it silly. FCS does it. NCAA basketball does it. Heck, every sport in the entire world does it.

BTW, A&M and probably Indiana would have been in as at larges in a 16 team playoff anyway.

Chris: so you want to ignore half of FBS?

At this point, I would settle for an 8 team playoff with the top 6 conference champions and 2 at large teams. Anything less than 8 is too small.

(12-24-2020 12:15 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:06 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:46 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I admit my idea had flaws, BUT I'm surprised nobody(at least that I see) is offended I want to give G5s a path to a NC.

Giving Louisiana, Tulsa, and... Buffalo/Boise bids to the 16-team playoff but not A&M or Indiana is silly.

Why is it silly. FCS does it. NCAA basketball does it. Heck, every sport in the entire world does it.

BTW, A&M and probably Indiana would have been in as at larges in a 16 team playoff anyway.

Read the OP again. No at larges. There is a way to do a 16-team playoff. This is not it.

Crayton: there ARE at-larges! It's just that losing your CCG is a prerequisite.

12 is the only number that makes sense. A number 1 team playing a Sunbelt or CUSA champ in round 1 is just not a competitive enough game to justify the travel. If a 12 is playing a 5 that would make a huge difference


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No guaranteed spots for any conference - P5 or G5. Move to a "Straight Eight" format, using the Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange, Fiesta and Peach Bowls. Fans can then complain about not being the #8 team, rather than the #4 team. This would have allowed the G5 representative to make the CFP in 2020 and in 2018 (Houston would have easily gotten in 2015, had they not been upset by UConn, and UCF also gets in 2018, if their game against UNC not get cancelled). This gives great odds for the SEC to get two teams in annually, each of the P5 at least one representative, a pathway for Notre Dame (since they are never joining a conference, nor does the P5 want them to), and an opportunity for the G5 - if deserving (which will happen most years than not).

Anything beyond eight teams is watering down the product.

The problem with this model is that the bowl game that gets 1/16 2/15 3/14 and 4/13 get real stinker games. These games are in no way compelling. First round has to be a campus site.


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