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CFB Recruiting Rankings by Conference
Had some time on my hands because work has been slow with the Holidays coming up so I made a linked Google Sheet to 247's database for team recruiting rankings. 247 makes it really easy to scrape data from their database which is nice. I've been curious to see how all of the conferences compare in regards to recruiting rankings. Here is where things stand now.

2021 CFB Team Recruiting Rankings by Conference
Last Update: 12/17/2020 11:30 AM

#1 SEC - 279 recruits | 88.94 avg. rating | 229 avg. points
#2 B1G - 248 recruits | 87.58 avg. rating | 207 avg. points
#3 Big 12 - 169 recruits | 87.02 avg. rating | 194 avg. points
#4 ACC - 285 recruits | 87.00 avg. rating | 207 avg. points
#5 Pac-12 - 198 recruits | 86.92 avg. rating | 192 avg. points
P5 TOTAL - 1179 recruits | 87.54 avg. rating | 207 avg. points

#6 AAC - 196 recruits | 83.56 avg. rating | 150 avg. points
#7 C-USA - 154 recruits | 82.38 avg. rating | 116 avg. points
#8 MWC - 233 recruits | 82.11 avg. rating | 126 avg. points
#9 SBC - 169 recruits | 81.96 avg. rating | 121 avg. points
#10 MAC - 247 recruits | 81.20 avg. rating | 126 avg. points
G5 TOTAL - 999 recruits | 82.20 avg. rating | 128 avg. points

Some quick thoughts, SEC is recruiting head and shoulders above every conference. The AAC is doing the same among the G5 conferences however there is still a considerable talent gap between us and the P5 conferences.

If you all are interested, I could share the Google Sheet after I add some protections to the formulas. It's pretty nifty and breaks down every team/conference's rankings in terms of avg. rating, avg. points, and avg. ranking in both categories inside of pivot tables and automatically updates with any new commitments/decommitments. I could go further and formulate weighted averages, create some google dashboards, and pull historical data as well if there is additional interest. Let me know fellow keyboard warriors!
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RE: CFB Recruiting Rankings by Conference
For reference, here is how the 2020 rankings shook out.

2020 CFB Team Recruiting Rankings by Conference (FINAL)

#1 SEC - 318 recruits | 89.39 avg. rating | 250 avg. points
#2 B1G - 309 recruits | 87.06 avg. rating | 213 avg. points
#3 ACC - 299 recruits | 86.67 avg. rating | 208 avg. points
#4 Big 12 - 227 recruits | 86.67 avg. rating | 208 avg. points
#5 Pac-12 - 267 recruits | 86.60 avg. rating | 210 avg. points
P5 TOTAL - 1420 recruits | 87.34 avg. rating | 219 avg. points

#6 AAC - 272 recruits | 82.96 avg. rating | 159 avg. points
#7 C-USA - 284 recruits | 82.01 avg. rating | 153 avg. points
#8 SBC - 263 recruits | 81.27 avg. rating | 141 avg. points
#9 MWC - 280 recruits | 81.26 avg. rating | 144 avg. points
#10 MAC - 313 recruits | 80.95 avg. rating | 142 avg. points
G5 TOTAL - 1412 recruits | 81.66 avg. rating | 147 avg. points
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RE: CFB Recruiting Rankings by Conference
Some more data for you guys, the following G5 teams are currently out recruiting the following P5 teams in terms of average rating.

#52 SMU - 85.40 avg. rating
#53 Rutgers - 85.35 avg. rating
#54 Oregon State - 85.24 avg. rating
#56 Cincinnati - 85.14 avg. rating
#56 Purdue - 85.14 avg. rating
#58 Duke - 85.09 avg. rating
#59 Virginia Tech - 85.08 avg. rating
#60 Boston College - 84.98 avg. rating
#61 Iowa State - 84.76 avg. rating
#62 Memphis - 84.66 avg. rating
#63 Boise State - 84.64 avg. rating

#64 Syracuse - 84.56 avg. rating
#65 Vanderbilt - 84.53 avg. rating
#66 Kansas - 84.42 avg. rating
#67 Washington State - 84.39 avg. rating
#68 UCF - 84.29 avg. rating
#69 Colorado - 84.16 avg. rating
#69 Illinois - 84.16 avg. rating
#71 Arizona - 83.89 avg. rating
#72 Wake Forest - 83.85 avg. rating
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(12-17-2020 01:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Some more data for you guys, the following G5 teams are currently out recruiting the following P5 teams in terms of average rating.

#52 SMU - 85.40 avg. rating
#53 Rutgers - 85.35 avg. rating
#54 Oregon State - 85.24 avg. rating
#56 Cincinnati - 85.14 avg. rating
#56 Purdue - 85.14 avg. rating
#58 Duke - 85.09 avg. rating
#59 Virginia Tech - 85.08 avg. rating
#60 Boston College - 84.98 avg. rating
#61 Iowa State - 84.76 avg. rating
#62 Memphis - 84.66 avg. rating
#63 Boise State - 84.64 avg. rating

#64 Syracuse - 84.56 avg. rating
#65 Vanderbilt - 84.53 avg. rating
#66 Kansas - 84.42 avg. rating
#67 Washington State - 84.39 avg. rating
#68 UCF - 84.29 avg. rating
#69 Colorado - 84.16 avg. rating
#69 Illinois - 84.16 avg. rating
#71 Arizona - 83.89 avg. rating
#72 Wake Forest - 83.85 avg. rating

Great Data!
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(12-17-2020 01:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Some more data for you guys, the following G5 teams are currently out recruiting the following P5 teams in terms of average rating.

#52 SMU - 85.40 avg. rating
#53 Rutgers - 85.35 avg. rating
#54 Oregon State - 85.24 avg. rating
#56 Cincinnati - 85.14 avg. rating
#56 Purdue - 85.14 avg. rating
#58 Duke - 85.09 avg. rating
#59 Virginia Tech - 85.08 avg. rating
#60 Boston College - 84.98 avg. rating
#61 Iowa State - 84.76 avg. rating
#62 Memphis - 84.66 avg. rating
#63 Boise State - 84.64 avg. rating

#64 Syracuse - 84.56 avg. rating
#65 Vanderbilt - 84.53 avg. rating
#66 Kansas - 84.42 avg. rating
#67 Washington State - 84.39 avg. rating
#68 UCF - 84.29 avg. rating
#69 Colorado - 84.16 avg. rating
#69 Illinois - 84.16 avg. rating
#71 Arizona - 83.89 avg. rating
#72 Wake Forest - 83.85 avg. rating

I'm surprised SMU is as high as it is and that Houston is absent from this list
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Keep the data coming, UCbball21
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(12-17-2020 02:30 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Keep the data coming, UCbball21
And you keep the analogies, using the women in Bill Dazzles life. I get a kick out of those!
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(12-17-2020 02:30 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Keep the data coming, UCbball21

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Recruiting rankings below the four star level are meaningless. Nobody has any idea if a three star or two star player will be any good or not. Buffalo has consistently been at the bottom of recruiting rankings but clearly has the most talented team in the MAC this year by far. Jaret Patterson was rated two stars. That's all you need to know about these so-called experts.
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(12-17-2020 02:57 PM)zibby Wrote:  Recruiting rankings below the four star level are meaningless. Nobody has any idea if a three star or two star player will be any good or not. Buffalo has consistently been at the bottom of recruiting rankings but clearly has the most talented team in the MAC this year by far. Jaret Patterson was rated two stars. That's all you need to know about these so-called experts.

This.

Ideally 247 hires staffs of people with actual scouting experience evaluating every FBS commit but 247 isn't going to spend the money on that. Anyone can tell a national prospect from a typical 3-star guy but telling this 3 star apart from that 3-star you need more than a few minutes of highlights.

And I notice to CUSA's recruiting is again ranked higher than the SBC's like it has been for years...doesn't reflect reality.
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With regards to the difference between P5 and G5, here is a more sobering way of cutting it. This is how the ESPN 300 players shook out by conference:

SEC .......... 120
B1G .......... 56
ACC .......... 45
PAC .......... 34
B12 .......... 30

Notre Dame .. 9

AAC ............ 1
CUSA ........... 0
SBC ............. 0
MW .............. 0
MAC ............. 0
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(12-17-2020 03:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(12-17-2020 02:57 PM)zibby Wrote:  Recruiting rankings below the four star level are meaningless. Nobody has any idea if a three star or two star player will be any good or not. Buffalo has consistently been at the bottom of recruiting rankings but clearly has the most talented team in the MAC this year by far. Jaret Patterson was rated two stars. That's all you need to know about these so-called experts.

This.

Ideally 247 hires staffs of people with actual scouting experience evaluating every FBS commit but 247 isn't going to spend the money on that. Anyone can tell a national prospect from a typical 3-star guy but telling this 3 star apart from that 3-star you need more than a few minutes of highlights.

And I notice to CUSA's recruiting is again ranked higher than the SBC's like it has been for years...doesn't reflect reality.

247 defines its ranking system thusly:

5 Star- These are the players that are most likely to be 1st round draft picks. Any player with more than 100 is considered a franchise player that does not come around very often.

4 Star- The players that are most likely to produce college careers that get them drafted.

3 Star- The bulk of prospects and incorporates a large range of ability levels.

2 Star- Players with very limited NFL potential.

I once heard a coach say the five star/high four star players are already body ready when they get to college. The two and three star guys who need developed, either physically or skill wise. How well the players are coached up are the difference.

As someone who has followed Cincinnati's recruiting very closely for 15 years or so, I think there is a big variance within the three star category. Generally speaking, a high three star- (87-89 by 247) is more likely going to be a better player than the guy who is a low three star (80-83). Not always, but very often this is the case.

The other thing I look at is who else is offering this player, where did he come from and what is his experience. When Tommy Tuberville was at UC he would often bring in guys who were low three star recruits who had offers from FCS schools, a service academy and historically bad G5 schools. Several of these guys were so-called diamonds in the rough who played maybe a year or two of HS FB at some high school that was a weak program, but they were impressive at a camp. That kid more often than not flopped. Luke Fickell OTOH, is bringing in high to mid three star recruits who have offers from most of the mid-tier B10 schools, WVU, Iowa State, etc. These guys played football most of their lives at successful high schools. Thus far, these kids have been showing up here the past couple years ready-made. Just my observation.
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Yup, recruiting matters, and the ratings certainly are a solid indicator as well as the offer list (which often dictates the ratings). No doubt there are countless examples where the analysts missed on a recruit but this is due to a myriad of factors including those off the field.

Any argument that this team doesn't recruit well but still manages to perform well on the field is anecdotal. If Buffalo were to get a recruit graded as an 89 by 247 you can bet the fans would excited so don't give us that crap. Don't try to sugarcoat poor recruiting by your favorite team.

There is no secret why the AAC is generally regarded as the top G5 conference which it has proven on the field time and time again. It's because they recruit most of those 3-star players according to those "worthless" rankings. Same reason why the SEC is the best conference year in and year out, they recruit the best.
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(12-17-2020 02:41 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(12-17-2020 02:30 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Keep the data coming, UCbball21
And you keep the analogies, using the women in Bill Dazzles life. I get a kick out of those!

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(12-17-2020 06:06 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  If Buffalo were to get a recruit graded as an 89 by 247 you can bet the fans would excited so don't give us that crap. Don't try to sugarcoat poor recruiting by your favorite team.

I don't get excited about recruits because I have no idea if any of them will be good. And you don't either. Anyone who says he does is full of 01-scout
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(12-17-2020 06:06 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Yup, recruiting matters, and the ratings certainly are a solid indicator as well as the offer list (which often dictates the ratings). No doubt there are countless examples where the analysts missed on a recruit but this is due to a myriad of factors including those off the field.

One of the biggest is that oftentimes 17 year old boys are still growing. E.g., when Khalil Mack was recruited to Buffalo in 2009, he was about 6'1" and 220 poinds, a two-star recruit and thus not on the radar of Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, etc. Three years later he was 6'3", 255 pounds, an NFL frame for an LB.

We see that sometimes in hoops too - when David Robinson was recruited by Navy in 1983, he was a 6'5" inside player so not much interest from Kentucky, Indiana, Georgetown, Duke. By the time he graduated, he was 7'1" and the top NBA prospect.
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An interesting measure of recruiting rankings would be to take the list of top recruits from 2015 or 2016 and look at the college career that each of them had. Find out which were great college players, which were solid players, which were just ok, which were busts, etc. Maybe some sportswriter has already done something like that.
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(12-18-2020 01:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  An interesting measure of recruiting rankings would be to take the list of top recruits from 2015 or 2016 and look at the college career that each of them had. Find out which were great college players, which were solid players, which were just ok, which were busts, etc. Maybe some sportswriter has already done something like that.

I think they have. I remember reading one a few years back. 5 stars usually do pretty well, but not always. 4 stars are hit and miss, but more likely to hit than 3 stars. 3 stars are totally hit and miss as are 2 stars.

I think the ratings show that if you stockpile like Alabama does at every position, you can be consistently really good. Right now Clemson and Georgia are doing that.

One thing you can't account for is QBs. The good backups transfer now, leaving even schools like Georgia pretty thin. Fields transferred to Ohio St. and even with transfers from Wake Forest and USC, they were left with a way below average QB. The Wake Forest player decided not to play and JT Daniels from USC wasn't quite ready.
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(12-18-2020 03:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-18-2020 01:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  An interesting measure of recruiting rankings would be to take the list of top recruits from 2015 or 2016 and look at the college career that each of them had. Find out which were great college players, which were solid players, which were just ok, which were busts, etc. Maybe some sportswriter has already done something like that.

I think they have. I remember reading one a few years back. 5 stars usually do pretty well, but not always. 4 stars are hit and miss, but more likely to hit than 3 stars. 3 stars are totally hit and miss as are 2 stars.

I think the ratings show that if you stockpile like Alabama does at every position, you can be consistently really good. Right now Clemson and Georgia are doing that.

One thing you can't account for is QBs. The good backups transfer now, leaving even schools like Georgia pretty thin. Fields transferred to Ohio St. and even with transfers from Wake Forest and USC, they were left with a way below average QB. The Wake Forest player decided not to play and JT Daniels from USC wasn't quite ready.

Eason didn't work out at Georgia either, and he wasn't much better after he transferred to Washington. He was ranked #4 among all recruits in his class year by 24/7.
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Texas kept getting the top QBs out of Texas and none of them matched the hype between James Street (68-70) and Major Applewhite, Chris Sims, Vince Young and Colt McCoy (98 through 2009--Applewhite and Sims weren't actually from Texas).
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