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This game was a bad, bad look. Hoping things can turn around for this group very quickly.

(12-14-2020 08:44 AM)monarx Wrote:  Back to the VCU game. Just read the post game article. Jones says it’s on him, and we weren’t ready to play. HOW ARE YOU NOT READY TO PLAY AGAINST YOUR BIGGEST MOST HISTORIC IN STATE RIVAL!!!!. Just crazy.

Not to mention we had EXTRA time to prepare.

Not even going to bother reading...we played poorly. I watched the fist half and part of the second. We did not look crisp at all. Our passing was late or behind a cutting player, the offense was unimaginative, our defense is horrid, and we can't rebound. And Green needs to be benched, he has lost all his mojo. For all the emphasis on finding a shooter, we still can't hit a shot when we need it. it was a depressing game to watch. We are not going to go far playing like this.

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Basketball should be the priority or, at the very least, equal. For a mid major, the ceiling is miles higher in basketball than it is in football.

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I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

(12-14-2020 08:27 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 10:33 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Not many Mids (G5) with FB and good basketball, we still need to be better in MBB.

Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, WKU, Marshall, Toledo, even UAB and Temple some years. It’s possible to be good In both. We should be. And frankly, since our ceiling in FB is a no-name bowl against another G5, anyway, I just want a bowl game to consider the season good. That’s not too much to ask from football. Winning seasons. In basketball however we have a chance to actually compete against the best. That’s why I think if moving to the A10 would help hoops, we have to do it. Even w Indy football. (Win 7 games and one of these bowls will pick you up.) Basketball is our history and our opportunity. Football is a fun thing for the fall. Heck, I’d even be fine with FCS football if it meant top 50 basketball on a consistent basis.

I 100% agree with this.

(12-13-2020 10:09 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  This is what games against VCU used to be like:

https://youtu.be/zSarIRWkg6s

That was some rock fight basketball but there was nothing more exciting. I still have my yellowed CAA conference championship t-shirts because I can’t bear to get rid of them.

Lol and some argue these teams were no better than JJs.


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(12-14-2020 10:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Basketball should be the priority or, at the very least, equal. For a mid major, the ceiling is miles higher in basketball than it is in football.

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I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

Sweet sixteen a couple of times a decade. Are you sure you didn’t mistype? I know you prefaced it with “not out of the realm of possibility”, which is technically true, but the rest of your post builds on the assumption that we achieve that level. I would challenge you to find a mid major that has achieved that level. The blue bloods and some high majors are at that level. I think one final four ever would be more likely. You’ve seen what that can do for a mid major.

Alfis logging real minutes for this team makes me believe the floor for this group is very very low.

(12-14-2020 11:40 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Alfis logging real minutes for this team makes me believe the floor for this group is very very low.

At the very least it means too many players getting in foul trouble and not having a deep bench.

(12-14-2020 10:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 10:09 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  This is what games against VCU used to be like:

https://youtu.be/zSarIRWkg6s

That was some rock fight basketball but there was nothing more exciting. I still have my yellowed CAA conference championship t-shirts because I can’t bear to get rid of them.

Lol and some argue these teams were no better than JJs.


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That really made me nostalgic (and sad). My entire family used to drive down from Baltimore for 3 days to watch the entire CAA tourney (including the one shown here). After I moved to the west coast, I used to fly to Norfolk once each year to attend a game. Now I don't even make it through a whole game on TV. My wife and I bailed on the VCU game at half and went to McDonald's.

Come to think of it, ODU BB and McDonald's have a lot in common. Very lukewarm and nothing to get excited about. (That makes me sad just typing it.)

(12-14-2020 11:37 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 10:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Basketball should be the priority or, at the very least, equal. For a mid major, the ceiling is miles higher in basketball than it is in football.

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I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

Sweet sixteen a couple of times a decade. Are you sure you didn’t mistype? I know you prefaced it with “not out of the realm of possibility”, which is technically true, but the rest of your post builds on the assumption that we achieve that level. I would challenge you to find a mid major that has achieved that level. The blue bloods and some high majors are at that level. I think one final four ever would be more likely. You’ve seen what that can do for a mid major.

You are right. That was a bit aggressive. The only mid major teams to do that in the last decade are Gonzaga, Butler, and Wichita State. I better measuring stick would be getting 2 tournament wins over 5 year stretch, but I think the point holds.

(12-14-2020 11:40 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Alfis logging real minutes for this team makes me believe the floor for this group is very very low.

And the fact that he is logging those minutes at the 4 is even crazier. Dude ain't much over 6'3.

I really don't understand JJ's obsession with sitting freshman for their entire first year. This team isn't good enough that O'Connell and Shanu can't at least get a few minutes here and there. I go off on this tangent seemingly every year, but it just doesn't make sense in this age. Guys will get better faster if they play. They will be more confident players faster if they play. They won't be as likely to transfer out before realizing their potential if they play... It just doesn't make sense. It is not like they are buried behind a bunch of Wooden Award candidates.

(12-14-2020 01:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 11:40 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Alfis logging real minutes for this team makes me believe the floor for this group is very very low.

And the fact that he is logging those minutes at the 4 is even crazier. Dude ain't much over 6'3.

I really don't understand JJ's obsession with sitting freshman for their entire first year. This team isn't good enough that O'Connell and Shanu can't at least get a few minutes here and there. I go off on this tangent seemingly every year, but it just doesn't make sense in this age. Guys will get better faster if they play. They will be more confident players faster if they play. They won't be as likely to transfer out before realizing their potential if they play... It just doesn't make sense. It is not like they are buried behind a bunch of Wooden Award candidates.

I don’t get it either. Maybe these guys aren’t showing enough yet in practice, but I would think they are at the point now where they can get a few minutes. There are not going to be a lot of garbage time minutes this year. But we’ve had plenty of opportunities to go deep in the bench and he has done it very little. And the next few non-conference games are the best opportunity.

(12-14-2020 01:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 11:37 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 10:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Basketball should be the priority or, at the very least, equal. For a mid major, the ceiling is miles higher in basketball than it is in football.

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I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

Sweet sixteen a couple of times a decade. Are you sure you didn’t mistype? I know you prefaced it with “not out of the realm of possibility”, which is technically true, but the rest of your post builds on the assumption that we achieve that level. I would challenge you to find a mid major that has achieved that level. The blue bloods and some high majors are at that level. I think one final four ever would be more likely. You’ve seen what that can do for a mid major.

You are right. That was a bit aggressive. The only mid major teams to do that in the last decade are Gonzaga, Butler, and Wichita State. I better measuring stick would be getting 2 tournament wins over 5 year stretch, but I think the point holds.

Those three have put themselves on another level. They are definitely programs to emulate. You could argue that Gonzaga really isn’t a mid major anymore.

(12-14-2020 11:37 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 10:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Basketball should be the priority or, at the very least, equal. For a mid major, the ceiling is miles higher in basketball than it is in football.

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I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

Sweet sixteen a couple of times a decade. Are you sure you didn’t mistype? I know you prefaced it with “not out of the realm of possibility”, which is technically true, but the rest of your post builds on the assumption that we achieve that level. I would challenge you to find a mid major that has achieved that level. The blue bloods and some high majors are at that level. I think one final four ever would be more likely. You’ve seen what that can do for a mid major.

I think a sweet 16 once a decade is not asking too much for a program like ours. (I know thats not what he said) Id also like to get to the point where we are an NCAA team at least 33% of the time. As it is we should be one 25% (and we aren't close to that under JJ). Gonzaga, Belmont, VCU, Wichita St, Dayton, San Diego St, UNLV, Temple... all non p-5s that we should be in close company with. Not sure why ODU, with our budget, resources, history, facilities, fan base etc cant seem to get there.

(12-14-2020 01:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 11:37 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 10:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Basketball should be the priority or, at the very least, equal. For a mid major, the ceiling is miles higher in basketball than it is in football.

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I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

Sweet sixteen a couple of times a decade. Are you sure you didn’t mistype? I know you prefaced it with “not out of the realm of possibility”, which is technically true, but the rest of your post builds on the assumption that we achieve that level. I would challenge you to find a mid major that has achieved that level. The blue bloods and some high majors are at that level. I think one final four ever would be more likely. You’ve seen what that can do for a mid major.

I think a sweet 16 once a decade is not asking too much for a program like ours. (I know thats not what he said) Id also like to get to the point where we are an NCAA team at least 33% of the time. As it is we should be one 25% (and we aren't close to that under JJ). Gonzaga, Belmont, VCU, Wichita St, Dayton, San Diego St, UNLV, Temple... all non p-5s that we should be in close company with. Not sure why ODU, with our budget, resources, history, facilities, fan base etc cant seem to get there.

That is the age old question. Why do teams with resources fail? I have been asking that of all the teams I support.

Mets: Plenty of talent, injuries are a problem, but I think the overriding problem is management.

Giants: Have not been relevant since their last Super Bowl win. It’s been a coaching carousel the last few years. I blame certain individuals in management.

Knicks: They were a perennial playoff team, but haven’t been relevant in 20 years. I’ve kind of given up on them and don’t care much anymore. I don’t really get into the NBA until the playoff s anyway.

ODU: There is a pattern here. While the addition of football may have had an impact, I think we are back to management issues. Poor hiring, no fan engagement. I think they have not yet learned how to manage basketball alongside an FBS football program.

(12-14-2020 02:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 01:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 11:37 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 10:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 11:56 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I can agree on equality. And I also believed that the ceiling was higher for basketball, but if you break it down it’s not much higher. Comparing levels of achievement that are relatively the same for both sports:

National Championship: about the same.
“Final Four”: basketball wins here.
Conference championship: you could argue basketball wins here but I say about the same.
Winning record: about the same.
Postseason: about the same.

The big difference is the basketball postseason consists of a huge tournament with the potential for moving up. Realistic football postseason is one bowl game but it is easier to get a bowl game than the big dance. And while getting to the Final Four may be slightly more realistic than making the football playoffs, both would require lightning to strike.

So yeah, somewhat higher ceiling, but c’mon, we have FOOTBALL!

Here is where I disagree a bit. Getting to the Sweet Sixteen is not nearly as difficult as getting to a New Year's Six Bowl, which I think is about equivalent in terms of exposure and prestige. It is not out of the realm of possibility that we could build a basketball program that could get to the Sweet Sixteen a couple times a decade in pretty short order, and their is the possibility that if you are able to build that, you keep building to the point that you are getting there even more regularly, which cements your program as a top tier basketball program that is on par with most power conference teams. You can build a brand that allows you to be mentioned along side the best in the sport. On the football side, that kind of dominance at the mid major level is pretty much unheard of, and even if you do get to NY6 bowls regularly, which I think is much more difficult with our money and facilities, you are still viewed as the little G5 school that keeps getting the charity bid, you never are really accepted into the world of bigtime college football.

It is also much cheaper to reach elite mid major status in basketball.

Sweet sixteen a couple of times a decade. Are you sure you didn’t mistype? I know you prefaced it with “not out of the realm of possibility”, which is technically true, but the rest of your post builds on the assumption that we achieve that level. I would challenge you to find a mid major that has achieved that level. The blue bloods and some high majors are at that level. I think one final four ever would be more likely. You’ve seen what that can do for a mid major.

I think a sweet 16 once a decade is not asking too much for a program like ours. (I know thats not what he said) Id also like to get to the point where we are an NCAA team at least 33% of the time. As it is we should be one 25% (and we aren't close to that under JJ). Gonzaga, Belmont, VCU, Wichita St, Dayton, San Diego St, UNLV, Temple... all non p-5s that we should be in close company with. Not sure why ODU, with our budget, resources, history, facilities, fan base etc cant seem to get there.

That is the age old question. Why do teams with resources fail? I have been asking that of all the teams I support.

Mets: Plenty of talent, injuries are a problem, but I think the overriding problem is management.

Giants: Have not been relevant since their last Super Bowl win. It’s been a coaching carousel the last few years. I blame certain individuals in management.

Knicks: They were a perennial playoff team, but haven’t been relevant in 20 years. I’ve kind of given up on them and don’t care much anymore. I don’t really get into the NBA until the playoff s anyway.

ODU: There is a pattern here. While the addition of football may have had an impact, I think we are back to management issues. Poor hiring, no fan engagement. I think they have not yet learned how to manage basketball alongside an FBS football program.

I agree with you, Chillie. A very good assessment. Having followed and yes supported odu basketball for many years my assessment is that the administration generally takes the fan support for granted. Very little fan engagements, activities for children, food selection, etc. Let’s all be honest, this is basic management 101...know your fan base, know what they would like to see, and provide those things. And as far as the on court performance, others have spoken to those issues much better than I can. I for one am ready for major changes in this administration.

(12-14-2020 01:15 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 11:40 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Alfis logging real minutes for this team makes me believe the floor for this group is very very low.

And the fact that he is logging those minutes at the 4 is even crazier. Dude ain't much over 6'3.

I really don't understand JJ's obsession with sitting freshman for their entire first year. This team isn't good enough that O'Connell and Shanu can't at least get a few minutes here and there. I go off on this tangent seemingly every year, but it just doesn't make sense in this age. Guys will get better faster if they play. They will be more confident players faster if they play. They won't be as likely to transfer out before realizing their potential if they play... It just doesn't make sense. It is not like they are buried behind a bunch of Wooden Award candidates.

Not only that but it has to affect recruiting. Imagine considering ODU and seeing Alfis getting significant playing time while two of what are supposed to be the better freshmen recruits rotting on the bench.


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FWIW, O'Connell and Shanu are very raw, particularly Shanu. They should still have come in when the game was all but over but neither of them are ready to contribute today. That may change as the seasons goes along (mainly looking at O'Connel). But, if Long is able to play, I would not expect many minute from Brady. He's just not ready. And that has been mentioned all summer long on here.

Green is edging into lost cause territory, what a shame. Curry disppeared for game, which is odd. Oliver disappeared, which happens way more than it should. They have to figure out a way to get ready for conference play without the non conference games. That was pathetic. The lack of shooting is one thing, but we have to rebound better than that and we can't turn the ball over 17 times and ever win. I know VCU is tough when the refs decide to swallow their whisles but there is no excuse of many of those turnovers by Curry and Green.

(12-14-2020 09:35 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Not even going to bother reading...we played poorly. I watched the fist half and part of the second. We did not look crisp at all. Our passing was late or behind a cutting player, the offense was unimaginative, our defense is horrid, and we can't rebound. And Green needs to be benched, he has lost all his mojo. For all the emphasis on finding a shooter, we still can't hit a shot when we need it. it was a depressing game to watch. We are not going to go far playing like this.

I agree with everything you've said. What was so troubling was we were beaten in EVERY facet of the game. VCU had more energy, better shooting from outside, better getting to the hoop, better set offense, better defense, better rebounding, better anticipation, etc. There was literally no aspect that we competed with them let alone winning even parts of the game.

That game has moved me from the keep Jones camp to the time-to-move-on camp. Good guy but he's clearly hit a ceiling with our program and VCU has had like 5 coaches in 10 years and all seem to outperform us. Time for change.