Dishonest AF. Per usual.

"...in down ballot races"

(11-25-2020 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dishonest AF. Per usual.

"...in down ballot races"

nope.

read the ruling and not some msm hack.

NV judge has set a hearing for Dec 3rd.

(11-25-2020 02:43 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NV judge has set a hearing for Dec 3rd.

For???????

Biden is speaking about healing and unity.
Not. A. Chance.
You get what you gave.
No quarter. No justice. No peace.

(11-25-2020 03:11 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Biden is speaking about healing and unity.
Not. A. Chance.
You get what you gave.
No quarter. No justice. No peace.

The civil war is about to shift to inside the Republican party, as the Trump enablers start to face in some cases prosecution.

Trump was incredibly ineffective in dealing with China, as he separated the US from it's democratic (small d) allies around the world with his go it alone approach and trade wars with friends over very little. He also did not say a word about HK suppression or the Uighers or the Tibetans, and certainly didn't let that affect any business decisions.

Do I trust Biden? Some, but not a lot. I know some of the Democrat policy wonks and they have largely shifted to China Hawks. But the "Progressive" wing has more influence than I am comfortable with, even pushing successfully for Kamala Harris to be VP. She is deeply in bed with California Tech money (she is now rather wealthy from their repurposed donations) and has been very circumspect when it comes to collisions with their interests -- that is keeping low cost supply chains in China.

Mind you Trump did nothing to reduce those supply chains, and nothing to reduce the dependence on China. In fact it has grown somewhat over the last four years.

So I find Trumpian believers have their heads in the sand on this issue thinking Trump and McConnell and many others in the GOP are materially different in policy on China.

I am far more hawkish on China than all you chicken hawks. But I know the only path out of the mess is a sustained ten year effort to help companies relocate their supply chains in other countries. That I would combine it with a policy to improve US influence in Latin America and build up Puerto Rico's economy is secondary. The US policy, and indeed that of the West, should be for a disentanglement from China, a distancing and steady reduction in investment and use as a source of anything. As with the breaking up of OPEC, the aim should be source diversity, so that no single hostile supplier can have leverage over the West. Single source dependence (US supply chain in China, US and Europe's 1970s dependence on Mideast oil, EU's dependence on Russian gas) lead to serious problems and having to do things that go against our values. Trump had four years and didn't even start on that. All he cared about was looking good with a treaty, even if it was as meaningless as those "friendship pacts" you always see dictators signing with everyone, but which in substance are nothing.

In short complaining about Biden China policy, which we have not yet seen, as somehow weaker than Trump, is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

(11-25-2020 03:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The civil war is about to shift to inside the Republican party, as the Trump enablers start to face in some cases prosecution.

Trump was incredibly ineffective in dealing with China, as he separated the US from it's democratic (small d) allies around the world with his go it alone approach and trade wars with friends over very little. He also did not say a word about HK suppression or the Uighers or the Tibetans, and certainly didn't let that affect any business decisions.

Do I trust Biden? Some, but not a lot. I know some of the Democrat policy wonks and they have largely shifted to China Hawks. But the "Progressive" wing has more influence than I am comfortable with, even pushing successfully for Kamala Harris to be VP. She is deeply in bed with California Tech money (she is now rather wealthy from their repurposed donations) and has been very circumspect when it comes to collisions with their interests -- that is keeping low cost supply chains in China.

Mind you Trump did nothing to reduce those supply chains, and nothing to reduce the dependence on China. In fact it has grown somewhat over the last four years.

So I find Trumpian believers have their heads in the sand on this issue thinking Trump and McConnell and many others in the GOP are materially different in policy on China.

I am far more hawkish on China than all you chicken hawks. But I know the only path out of the mess is a sustained ten year effort to help companies relocate their supply chains in other countries. That I would combine it with a policy to improve US influence in Latin America and build up Puerto Rico's economy is secondary. The US policy, and indeed that of the West, should be for a disentanglement from China, a distancing and steady reduction in investment and use as a source of anything. As with the breaking up of OPEC, the aim should be source diversity, so that no single hostile supplier can have leverage over the West. Single source dependence (US supply chain in China, US and Europe's 1970s dependence on Mideast oil, EU's dependence on Russian gas) lead to serious problems and having to do things that go against our values. Trump had four years and didn't even start on that. All he cared about was looking good with a treaty, even if it was as meaningless as those "friendship pacts" you always see dictators signing with everyone, but which in substance are nothing.

In short complaining about Biden China policy, which we have not yet seen, as somehow weaker than Trump, is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

Stu I totally agree with you on the blue bold. I disagree with you completely on the bold red. The latter may be totally dependent upon vantage point. But from where I sit all of the Chinese influence in this election was definitely pro Biden and Big Tech complicit. I've also been well versed in Chinese war plans for the U.S. since the late 80's and so far they have followed the script for our demise through 3 of their 5 objectives prior to hostilities and are working on the fourth. If anything Biden will obfuscate our tactical retreat from China trade and dependence.

We'll see, but I'm pretty convinced I'm right.

Thanks to open borders/illegal immigration, our demographics have changed over time. Say goodby to what the founding fathers, in their infinite wisdom, established. Socialism/communism, AN ABSOLUTE AUTHORITARIAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, is now the in thing. Destroy the educational system. Don't teach civics, history, morals any more. Tear down statues. Parenting and personal responsibility are out. Allow looting/violence, de-fund the police, take away our guns/rights. Re-write the constitution. Make this nation the same as any other 3rd world nation. Folks, that's where we are headed on the course we are on.

You don't have to agree with me on this. I really hope for the sake of my children and grandchildren that I am wrong.

(11-25-2020 04:27 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  You don't have to agree with me on this. I really hope for the sake of my children and grandchildren that I am wrong.

You are absolutely correct but that is just 1 of a three pronged attack.

Intellectual theft so that the PRC can more quickly surpass us technologically, particularly in space is another. This is necessary to neutralize our strategic advantages.

The third is the weak fiscal policy predicated upon weak dollar transactions which the Big Tech and Big Pharma companies love. Right now that seems like cheap labor to them in exchange for a more favorable exchange rate with the U.S. Dollar. When China buys our debt they are setting the value of the dollar up for collapse. Economic advantage is essential for any adversary planning to defeat the United States. Fed Policy and greed play right into that. E.G. Yellen, not that there's much difference in most of them. They are all Corporate/Globalist's.

Prong one: Poison the Soul of America
Prong two: Steal their intellect by dumbing down schools and taking their research.
Prong three: Break them financially so they can't afford to wage war.

Trump woke everyone up to the threat that is China. All of western Europe started taking steps after the US did. The Wuhan virus woke up the rest.

His policy needed a couple more years to play out.

We don't need to do moral diplomacy. Nobody can do anything about the Uighurs but China.

(11-25-2020 04:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  Trump woke everyone up to the threat that is China. All of western Europe started taking steps after the US did. The Wuhan virus woke up the rest.

His policy needed a couple more years to play out.

We don't need to do moral diplomacy. Nobody can do anything about the Uighurs but China.

The Uighurs are but the next in line for Chinese oppression and/or eventual genocide. Chinese Nationalists, Tibetans, Koreans adverse to their control, Cambodians, and Laotians are among many that Free Society Textbooks should be schooling the public about.

While I agree with your point, I would merely add that the Uighurs would not be suffering so if we had given a good damn about the others first. The North Vietnamese (now just Vietnamese) have kept them at bay and their knowledge of the nature of China is one reason they have warmed to the United States. India knows them all too well also.

(11-24-2020 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh, this should be fun.

Zero place for this to go. First off—-how would random person have any standing in objecting to a legal dispute in which they are not a party? I don’t like that the ACLU is suing to stop construction of the Southern Border Wall—judge make ‘em stop? Yeah—right.

Amazing you Guys care nothing about our country. You hate our country and the way we elect our representatives. Sad you have come to this.

(11-26-2020 01:33 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Amazing you Guys care nothing about our country. You hate our country and the way we elect our representatives. Sad you have come to this.

You're talking about Democrats right?

(11-25-2020 09:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh, this should be fun.

Zero place for this to go. First off—-how would random person have any standing in objecting to a legal dispute in which they are not a party? I don’t like that the ACLU is suing to stop construction of the Southern Border Wall—judge make ‘em stop? Yeah—right.

So they should throw out all the Lin Wood lawsuits in Georgia because they don’t have trump as the plaintiff?

"In an affidavit filed in another Republican election challenge, a “data scientist” found a huge surge of incomplete voter registrations and those giving casinos and temporary RV parks as “their home or mailing addresses" in the Third Congressional District that covers the southern third of the state and much of Clark County.…

…She found that in the last presidential election, there were 68 voter registrations missing the critical data. In 2020, it was 13,372.

What’s more, 74% of the incomplete registrations took place between July and September this year.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...os-as-home

In retrospect ..... zero regrets for casting a primary vote for Tulsi Gabbard and general election vote for Jo Jorgensen. The LP will retain ballot access in SC. Tulsi might be the only sanity left in the whole of the Democrat side of Congress.