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(11-22-2020 04:45 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  
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(11-22-2020 11:39 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  There’s a solid group of FCS schools that could make FBS work from a consistent competitive standpoint. I’d have both Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville St in that group. I think it really shows the need for a third tier in college football.

Umm there is one....

FBS, FCS, ?

P5, G5, FCS

Division II, NAIA

I intended to say third tier of Division I which I think could easily be inferred by my post but it wasn’t 100% clear. Further, my point was a third championship level. There is a very real pseudo-split between P5/G5 but they technically “compete” for the same championship.
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P5, G5, High FCS (Southland, Big Sky, Southern, MVC, OVC, CAA), lower FCS.)

The ASUN and the WAC are trying to kill the Southland and OVC from the high teir.

UCA to the WAC is also floated out there.
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(11-22-2020 03:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  You have to appreciate Gumbart’s originality.

Personally, I’d love to see him become commissioner of a C-USA/SBC East breakaway conference using the very same Swim Conference scheme he devised to create the UAC.

I too admire his creativity. Unfortunately he is in a world where taking chances and being creative is something not only not done but actively avoided
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(11-22-2020 11:24 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(11-22-2020 03:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  You have to appreciate Gumbart’s originality.

Personally, I’d love to see him become commissioner of a C-USA/SBC East breakaway conference using the very same Swim Conference scheme he devised to create the UAC.

I too admire his creativity. Unfortunately he is in a world where taking chances and being creative is something not only not done but actively avoided

What I feel for in their case is that the UAC concept was devised to create a new feeder conference so ASun wasn’t the bottom-most rung in the east. And he’s good on trying to do this not just for the conference, but its members. However, if the schools aren’t fully in on it, it will never be achieved. And I doubt the schools think the way he does. You’re right that it just isn’t done this way.
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The UAC idea of starting a second conference from the ASUN is dead on arrival. After NJIT left they do not have enough members to be considered a "continuation" conference. The commisioner said the do not have the 7 schools to pull away like the Catholic 7 with the new Big East. He did say they expect to continue being agressive in regards of expansion.
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(11-23-2020 09:18 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  The UAC idea of starting a second conference from the ASUN is dead on arrival. After NJIT left they do not have enough members to be considered a "continuation" conference. The commisioner said the do not have the 7 schools to pull away like the Catholic 7 with the new Big East. He did say they expect to continue being agressive in regards of expansion.

That idea was already outdated, since the rule he's referring to doesn't exist anymore.
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(11-23-2020 10:24 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2020 09:18 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  The UAC idea of starting a second conference from the ASUN is dead on arrival. After NJIT left they do not have enough members to be considered a "continuation" conference. The commisioner said the do not have the 7 schools to pull away like the Catholic 7 with the new Big East. He did say they expect to continue being agressive in regards of expansion.

That idea was already outdated, since the rule he's referring to doesn't exist anymore.

When the UAC finally does begin play as a 12-member conference, they'll split into the Lyle Lanley Division and the Harold Hill Division.

(Google if you don't get the joke)
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(11-23-2020 10:24 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2020 09:18 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  The UAC idea of starting a second conference from the ASUN is dead on arrival. After NJIT left they do not have enough members to be considered a "continuation" conference. The commisioner said the do not have the 7 schools to pull away like the Catholic 7 with the new Big East. He did say they expect to continue being agressive in regards of expansion.

That idea was already outdated, since the rule he's referring to doesn't exist anymore.


But, an existing conference is not outdated. There are many 1 sport conferences in D1. Plus, there are two multi sports, but not money makers either. WCHA is in trouble, and turning that into a multi-sport conference might help get new members, and later, when schools add hockey? invite them in like UNLV and Arizona State as affiliates.
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(11-23-2020 04:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-23-2020 10:24 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2020 09:18 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  The UAC idea of starting a second conference from the ASUN is dead on arrival. After NJIT left they do not have enough members to be considered a "continuation" conference. The commisioner said the do not have the 7 schools to pull away like the Catholic 7 with the new Big East. He did say they expect to continue being agressive in regards of expansion.

That idea was already outdated, since the rule he's referring to doesn't exist anymore.


But, an existing conference is not outdated. There are many 1 sport conferences in D1. Plus, there are two multi sports, but not money makers either. WCHA is in trouble, and turning that into a multi-sport conference might help get new members, and later, when schools add hockey? invite them in like UNLV and Arizona State as affiliates.

We'll just pretend this is an intelligent post. David, pop your head out of your bunker and get caught up in current news. WCHA men's hockey is done, it is not going to invite Arizona State or some future(?) UNLV team. WCHA women's hockey is thriving and will continue with adding St. Thomas as a new member in 2021. WCHA women have won all but 3 NCAA D1 titles.
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(11-23-2020 01:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(11-23-2020 10:24 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2020 09:18 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  The UAC idea of starting a second conference from the ASUN is dead on arrival. After NJIT left they do not have enough members to be considered a "continuation" conference. The commisioner said the do not have the 7 schools to pull away like the Catholic 7 with the new Big East. He did say they expect to continue being agressive in regards of expansion.

That idea was already outdated, since the rule he's referring to doesn't exist anymore.

When the UAC finally does begin play as a 12-member conference, they'll split into the Lyle Lanley Division and the Harold Hill Division.

(Google if you don't get the joke)

North Haverford Tech is gonna be the anchor of the Lanley Division.. DavidST said so.
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(11-16-2020 04:00 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Central Arkansas to FBS? It is 30 minutes north of Little Rock. I guess it fills that niche that some wanted for UA-Little Rock. I'm still not sure if Arkansas can support three FBS schools, especially with the statewide reach of the Hogs.

Or, perhaps they're planning for the restructuring of the Southland in any number of rumored ways? Makes sense for them to get out of Texas if some of those schools are planning to leave the Southland. Even if nothing happens, that removes the odd-numbered school in a (relatively) far-flung part of the footprint. The SLC would move to 12 schools, 10 with football.

One thing for sure: ASun no longer stands for Atlantic Sun. It's just ASun. There's nothing Atlantic about Conway, Arkansas.
The Southland has been rumored to lose a bunch of schools from the Athlon Aritcle here
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020
This article says Central Arkansas to the ASUN and the WAC interested in Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston State, and Stephen F. Austin. Now just to remind everyone that the MEAC is losing their collective minds losing 3 schools next year. This proposal if completed would take 4 from the Southland and ultimately when a conference starts taking on water it usually has other defections as well. Now the interesting question is what will the Southland do? If they look to recover their numbers frrom Division 2, the Lone Star has a similar footprint and has 8 schools sponsoring football. Even more interesting is if the Southland has to look for basketball programs, the Lone Star has 17 programs which could definitely be picked off. Some of those programs recently moved from the defunct Heartland Conference and Texas-Tyler moving up from Division 3.
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(11-24-2020 10:17 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 04:00 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Central Arkansas to FBS? It is 30 minutes north of Little Rock. I guess it fills that niche that some wanted for UA-Little Rock. I'm still not sure if Arkansas can support three FBS schools, especially with the statewide reach of the Hogs.

Or, perhaps they're planning for the restructuring of the Southland in any number of rumored ways? Makes sense for them to get out of Texas if some of those schools are planning to leave the Southland. Even if nothing happens, that removes the odd-numbered school in a (relatively) far-flung part of the footprint. The SLC would move to 12 schools, 10 with football.

One thing for sure: ASun no longer stands for Atlantic Sun. It's just ASun. There's nothing Atlantic about Conway, Arkansas.
The Southland has been rumored to lose a bunch of schools from the Athlon Aritcle here
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020
This article says Central Arkansas to the ASUN and the WAC interested in Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston State, and Stephen F. Austin. Now just to remind everyone that the MEAC is losing their collective minds losing 3 schools next year. This proposal if completed would take 4 from the Southland and ultimately when a conference starts taking on water it usually has other defections as well. Now the interesting question is what will the Southland do? If they look to recover their numbers frrom Division 2, the Lone Star has a similar footprint and has 8 schools sponsoring football. Even more interesting is if the Southland has to look for basketball programs, the Lone Star has 17 programs which could definitely be picked off. Some of those programs recently moved from the defunct Heartland Conference and Texas-Tyler moving up from Division 3.

I'm sure the A-Sun is interested in UCA and the WAC is interested in those other Southland schools. However, I can't imagine the feeling is mutual. So these rumors may have been spawned by the A-Sun and WAC reaching out to the schools in question or by a DavidSt/NoDak style message board fantasy. Regardless, no such moves will take place, because, with few exceptions, it doesn't make sense to downgrade conferences like that.
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(11-24-2020 10:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 10:17 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 04:00 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Central Arkansas to FBS? It is 30 minutes north of Little Rock. I guess it fills that niche that some wanted for UA-Little Rock. I'm still not sure if Arkansas can support three FBS schools, especially with the statewide reach of the Hogs.

Or, perhaps they're planning for the restructuring of the Southland in any number of rumored ways? Makes sense for them to get out of Texas if some of those schools are planning to leave the Southland. Even if nothing happens, that removes the odd-numbered school in a (relatively) far-flung part of the footprint. The SLC would move to 12 schools, 10 with football.

One thing for sure: ASun no longer stands for Atlantic Sun. It's just ASun. There's nothing Atlantic about Conway, Arkansas.
The Southland has been rumored to lose a bunch of schools from the Athlon Aritcle here
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020
This article says Central Arkansas to the ASUN and the WAC interested in Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston State, and Stephen F. Austin. Now just to remind everyone that the MEAC is losing their collective minds losing 3 schools next year. This proposal if completed would take 4 from the Southland and ultimately when a conference starts taking on water it usually has other defections as well. Now the interesting question is what will the Southland do? If they look to recover their numbers frrom Division 2, the Lone Star has a similar footprint and has 8 schools sponsoring football. Even more interesting is if the Southland has to look for basketball programs, the Lone Star has 17 programs which could definitely be picked off. Some of those programs recently moved from the defunct Heartland Conference and Texas-Tyler moving up from Division 3.

I'm sure the A-Sun is interested in UCA and the WAC is interested in those other Southland schools. However, I can't imagine the feeling in mutual. So these rumors may have been spawned by the A-Sun and WAC reaching out to the schools in question or by a DavidSt/NoDak style message board fantasy. Regardless, no such moves will take place, because, with few exceptions, it doesn't make sense to downgrade conferences like that.

I don’t get it either. There is a delusional Tarleton fan on the WAC board that suggests Lamar, SFA, SHSU, and ACU are so excited to join D2 move ups and Southern Utah over remaining in the Southland with “poor” Louisiana schools. While this doesn’t really seem to far fetched, it doesn’t really make sense to do this during a pandemic.
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(11-24-2020 12:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 10:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 10:17 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 04:00 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Central Arkansas to FBS? It is 30 minutes north of Little Rock. I guess it fills that niche that some wanted for UA-Little Rock. I'm still not sure if Arkansas can support three FBS schools, especially with the statewide reach of the Hogs.

Or, perhaps they're planning for the restructuring of the Southland in any number of rumored ways? Makes sense for them to get out of Texas if some of those schools are planning to leave the Southland. Even if nothing happens, that removes the odd-numbered school in a (relatively) far-flung part of the footprint. The SLC would move to 12 schools, 10 with football.

One thing for sure: ASun no longer stands for Atlantic Sun. It's just ASun. There's nothing Atlantic about Conway, Arkansas.
The Southland has been rumored to lose a bunch of schools from the Athlon Aritcle here
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020
This article says Central Arkansas to the ASUN and the WAC interested in Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston State, and Stephen F. Austin. Now just to remind everyone that the MEAC is losing their collective minds losing 3 schools next year. This proposal if completed would take 4 from the Southland and ultimately when a conference starts taking on water it usually has other defections as well. Now the interesting question is what will the Southland do? If they look to recover their numbers frrom Division 2, the Lone Star has a similar footprint and has 8 schools sponsoring football. Even more interesting is if the Southland has to look for basketball programs, the Lone Star has 17 programs which could definitely be picked off. Some of those programs recently moved from the defunct Heartland Conference and Texas-Tyler moving up from Division 3.

I'm sure the A-Sun is interested in UCA and the WAC is interested in those other Southland schools. However, I can't imagine the feeling in mutual. So these rumors may have been spawned by the A-Sun and WAC reaching out to the schools in question or by a DavidSt/NoDak style message board fantasy. Regardless, no such moves will take place, because, with few exceptions, it doesn't make sense to downgrade conferences like that.

I don’t get it either. There is a delusional Tarleton fan on the WAC board that suggests Lamar, SFA, SHSU, and ACU are so excited to join D2 move ups and Southern Utah over remaining in the Southland with “poor” Louisiana schools. While this doesn’t really seem to far fetched, it doesn’t really make sense to do this during a pandemic.
Is it possible that those schools could see the members of the WAC as pushovers because for the most part they are the newest additions to Division 1? Basically reading all the headlines about the WAC being a wasteland and losing schools every year. It's crazy but to some schools wins and losses are everything especially in Texas.
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(11-24-2020 10:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 10:17 AM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 04:00 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Central Arkansas to FBS? It is 30 minutes north of Little Rock. I guess it fills that niche that some wanted for UA-Little Rock. I'm still not sure if Arkansas can support three FBS schools, especially with the statewide reach of the Hogs.

Or, perhaps they're planning for the restructuring of the Southland in any number of rumored ways? Makes sense for them to get out of Texas if some of those schools are planning to leave the Southland. Even if nothing happens, that removes the odd-numbered school in a (relatively) far-flung part of the footprint. The SLC would move to 12 schools, 10 with football.

One thing for sure: ASun no longer stands for Atlantic Sun. It's just ASun. There's nothing Atlantic about Conway, Arkansas.
The Southland has been rumored to lose a bunch of schools from the Athlon Aritcle here
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020
This article says Central Arkansas to the ASUN and the WAC interested in Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston State, and Stephen F. Austin. Now just to remind everyone that the MEAC is losing their collective minds losing 3 schools next year. This proposal if completed would take 4 from the Southland and ultimately when a conference starts taking on water it usually has other defections as well. Now the interesting question is what will the Southland do? If they look to recover their numbers frrom Division 2, the Lone Star has a similar footprint and has 8 schools sponsoring football. Even more interesting is if the Southland has to look for basketball programs, the Lone Star has 17 programs which could definitely be picked off. Some of those programs recently moved from the defunct Heartland Conference and Texas-Tyler moving up from Division 3.

I'm sure the A-Sun is interested in UCA and the WAC is interested in those other Southland schools. However, I can't imagine the feeling in mutual. So these rumors may have been spawned by the A-Sun and WAC reaching out to the schools in question or by a DavidSt/NoDak style message board fantasy. Regardless, no such moves will take place, because, with few exceptions, it doesn't make sense to downgrade conferences like that.

There’s a split with the Southland schools, in my opinion. One group is more like the WAC/ASUN and the other is more like the OVC. If Belmont and Murray St do leave for the MVC as previously been rumored on this board, I can see the Southland splitting followed by the OVC:

From Southland:
To ASUN: Central Arkansas, New Orleans
To WAC: Abilene Christian, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word, Texas A&M - Corpus Christi

From OVC:
To MVC: Belmont, Murray St
To Summit: Eastern Illinois, SIU - Edwardsville
To SWAC: Tennessee St

Merger
Southland and OVC schools into the Southern Valley Conference.

SVC Schools (14):
From Southland: Lamar, McNeese St, Nichols St, Northwestern St, Sam Houston St, Southeastern Louisiana, Stephen F. Austin St
From OVC: Austin Peay St, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville St, Morehead St, Southeast Missouri St, Tennessee - Martin, Tennessee Tech
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I remember Belmont and Murray St. being mentioned to the Missouri Valley when Wichita State went the the American and the trickle down effect with Valparaiso, but has there been any recent articles or discussion of this?
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(11-24-2020 01:56 PM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  I remember Belmont and Murray St. being mentioned to the Missouri Valley when Wichita State went the the American and the trickle down effect with Valparaiso, but has there been any recent articles or discussion of this?

I don’t think anything more than realignment board chatter but, at 10 members, the MVC could fairly easily take on 2 more members. Both Belmont and Murray St would fit well and be competitive from Day 1.
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(11-24-2020 01:56 PM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  I remember Belmont and Murray St. being mentioned to the Missouri Valley when Wichita State went the the American and the trickle down effect with Valparaiso, but has there been any recent articles or discussion of this?

I don’t think anything more than realignment board chatter but, at 10 members, the MVC could fairly easily take on 2 more members. Both Belmont and Murray St would fit well and be competitive from Day 1.

Murray St wants to go to the MVC and MVFC. Belmont doesn’t. Just a thought, but maybe it should be the Southland that adds and then splits:

Southland A: Tarleton St, ACU, IWU, Houston Baptist, SF Austin, Sam Houston St, Lamar, UTRGV, A&M CC

Southland B: NW St, SE LA, McNeese St, Nicholls St, UCA, UNO, UNA, Kenn St
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(11-24-2020 02:00 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:56 PM)edscollects@gmail.com Wrote:  I remember Belmont and Murray St. being mentioned to the Missouri Valley when Wichita State went the the American and the trickle down effect with Valparaiso, but has there been any recent articles or discussion of this?

I don’t think anything more than realignment board chatter but, at 10 members, the MVC could fairly easily take on 2 more members. Both Belmont and Murray St would fit well and be competitive from Day 1.

Murray St wants to go to the MVC and MVFC. Belmont doesn’t. Just a thought, but maybe it should be the Southland that adds and then splits:

Southland A: Tarleton St, ACU, IWU, Houston Baptist, SF Austin, Sam Houston St, Lamar, UTRGV, A&M CC

Southland B: NW St, SE LA, McNeese St, Nicholls St, UCA, UNO, UNA, Kenn St

Probably more likely but I see Lamar, Sam Houston St, and Stephen F. Austin St as head-and-shoulders above those other Texas schools and don’t think they really want to be associated but maybe they do
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Murray St got held up because the MVC wanted 12 and couldnt get Belmont or agree on an alternative
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