(11-20-2020 01:20 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:08 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All the stupid libtards out there REALLY don't realize just how pisssed off about 50 million people are right now.

"you understand this number?" Algren - The Last Samurai

That own 70 million guns



What could go wrong

What could go wrong?...them not employing them. What's the use of having so much firepower if all is does is hide in a gun chest. Every conservative talks the talk but how many would walk the walk. Sure, there's many that have combat experience but what really would trigger that overthrow of an existing government. Fort Sumnter did it for for the Civil War but Ft. Sumnter was a Union base, what base do we have. They (Demons) would impose their will individually, slowly taking away the second amendment. That's their plan and like the mask mandate everyone not willing to fight would comply. One person cannot fight the government, an illegal one that's coming. If Trump can't win a crooked election with a Schiff load of lawyers what's makes you think individuals can?

A small band of patriots could bring these metro communist to their knees without much gunfire. Cut off their power. Cut off their water. Cut off their food. A foreign foe couldn’t do it but a handful of patriots could very easily. They would fold in short order.

(11-21-2020 02:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’ve had a Leopold VX1 3x9 on my Knight Disc ML for 2 decades and how I’ve treated it should be borderline illegal. It’s been a fabulous friend to me and the bane of perhaps 75 deer since 2000.

At a lower current price point I’ve been really impressed with the Vortex line. No idea how customer service is since I have not needed it but so far I can’t beat them for the $$.

I put a diamondback tactical on my 6.5 creedmoor. I haven’t had it long enough to know how it is going to hold up, but so far looks good.

(11-20-2020 04:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 02:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:47 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:39 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Happy to see that this likely won't affect any of the weapons I currently own.

Semi-related...but my new Weatherby Mark V is probably the best purchase I've made in years, such a nice hunting rig. Got a lot of work out this year.

I picked up a Ruger American Predator this that’s been great. Very accurate and at a great price. 0.6in five shot group at 100 yards off of front and rear bags with 140grain 6.5cm.

As much as I like wood stocks (I hunt with a browning A bolt or a Marlin 336) these plastic stock budget rifles like the American are knocking it out of the park.

I just bought a Savage 110 Engage Hunter XP with a decent Bushnell scope. Same deal. Shoots great. $400. I have seen peeps on YouTube hit a milk jug with it at 1000 yards and more.

Savage gets a bad rap. Their higher end rifles are dream machines while the lower end ones are nothing to laugh at.

Savage in 300 Winchester. Replaced the nice wood stock with an aluminum bedded Carlson. Inside of 500 yards....lights out.
Had it for years. Got it after the last Remington that I never got along with. One of the first to go Savage down here in the south. I see a few more now days.

(11-21-2020 03:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 02:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 02:03 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 12:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 04:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Up until the hoplophobic left decides to declare hunting rifles are “weapons of war”. If you think about it describing a bolt action rifle as a weapon of war is actually far more correct than declaring a modern semiautomatic sporting rifle as one because bolt actions actually were.


But find false security in the fact they aren’t coming for your guns. Yet.

Oh, just wait till they start classifying “weapons of war” by the cartridge..30-06 uses a 7.62x63 round...that has to be scarier than the AK-47’s 7.62x39, right?

Let's be honest...none of them know the difference anyways. They just think because it has more plastic on it to look like it belongs in Call of Duty, that it should be banned.

I love it when people flip out about photos of customized Ruger 10-22’s with black poly foldable stocks, fore grip handles, muzzle breaks, extended mags and mil spec optics...and then you explain that they are only weapons of war for pop cans and the occasional squirrel.

Hey, you know I'm probably a lean left more than right, but I'd probably just describe myself as a rational moderate.

The amount of people who are just dumb as **** fascinates me, and the sheer ignorance on guns is the #1 thing that I point to why I'm not a "Liberal" or "Democrat" i love pulling out photos of heavily modded air rifles and 22s and just see what people call them, then compare damage caused by them to my hunting rifles (both poly and wood stock) and bows with mechanical broadheads and just see them melt.

I can put holes the size of baseballs in elk with my 700 30-06 packed with 220 grain...and I've got an air rifle that looks like it should be slung on a SEAL's shoulder that won't even break skin. Guess which one my buddies are more scared of?

Hate to break this to ya but you need some new buddies.....

(11-21-2020 04:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 03:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 02:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 02:03 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 12:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Oh, just wait till they start classifying “weapons of war” by the cartridge..30-06 uses a 7.62x63 round...that has to be scarier than the AK-47’s 7.62x39, right?

Let's be honest...none of them know the difference anyways. They just think because it has more plastic on it to look like it belongs in Call of Duty, that it should be banned.

I love it when people flip out about photos of customized Ruger 10-22’s with black poly foldable stocks, fore grip handles, muzzle breaks, extended mags and mil spec optics...and then you explain that they are only weapons of war for pop cans and the occasional squirrel.

Hey, you know I'm probably a lean left more than right, but I'd probably just describe myself as a rational moderate.

The amount of people who are just dumb as **** fascinates me, and the sheer ignorance on guns is the #1 thing that I point to why I'm not a "Liberal" or "Democrat" i love pulling out photos of heavily modded air rifles and 22s and just see what people call them, then compare damage caused by them to my hunting rifles (both poly and wood stock) and bows with mechanical broadheads and just see them melt.

I can put holes the size of baseballs in elk with my 700 30-06 packed with 220 grain...and I've got an air rifle that looks like it should be slung on a SEAL's shoulder that won't even break skin. Guess which one my buddies are more scared of?

Hate to break this to ya but you need some new buddies.....

I've got my weekday buddies and my weekend buddies...I will let you guess who is who

Y’all reminded me of this.

Been sitting on the patio all afternoon, drinking beer, grill going and for he last 45 minutes someone up the road is using up ammo like it’s candy. I’m guess 250-300 rounds in the last half hour or so. Hoplophobe libs would be freaking out

Guns are only for the rich, don't you know? What a friend of the working class.

(11-21-2020 05:29 PM)Mav Wrote:  Guns are only for the rich, don't you know? What a friend of the working class.

May I correct you in a small way? Guns are only for those who are bodyguards for the rich.

(11-20-2020 08:14 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 09:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Bump stocks turn a semi auto into a full auto (for all practical purposes). You've had to have a very difficult to get license for full auto for a long long time now. Not the same thing at all.

So do shoe strings, coat hangers, belt loops, etc. bump stocks still require a manipulation of the trigger for every shot they just help you reset the trigger faster.

Outside of the specific of what was banned, what is dangerous is how. With an executive order trump added an entire class of devices to the NFA. No legislative oversight. There was no grandfather option, it was destroy the bump stock or turn it in. Possession is illegal, full stop. No compensation for the destruction of your property.

That isn’t a path that any gun owner should want to see happen. What is the next thing they can ban with an EO? My guess is it will be pistol braces for ARs, or rifle caliber pistols with removable magazines in general. Just make them all SBRs with a pen stroke.

And two years later that’s exactly what they did. Made all pistol brace guns SBRs with only an administrative ruling from ATF.

(11-21-2020 03:50 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 02:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’ve had a Leopold VX1 3x9 on my Knight Disc ML for 2 decades and how I’ve treated it should be borderline illegal. It’s been a fabulous friend to me and the bane of perhaps 75 deer since 2000.

At a lower current price point I’ve been really impressed with the Vortex line. No idea how customer service is since I have not needed it but so far I can’t beat them for the $$.

I put a diamondback tactical on my 6.5 creedmoor. I haven’t had it long enough to know how it is going to hold up, but so far looks good.

sorry, but it's Leupold. I have three. One is less than a year old, one is about 3 years old and the other is pushing 35; A 4x10 VariXIII. I sent the 35 year old one to Leupold and they refurbbed it for me- free. I didn't even have to pay shipping charges except to get it there. They are a great company with a great product backed by outstanding lifetime warranties and superior customer service. I have the oldest one on my trusty 35 year old Browning A-bolt 7 mm magnum and have killed more deer than I can count with it.

(11-21-2020 03:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 04:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 02:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:47 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:39 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Happy to see that this likely won't affect any of the weapons I currently own.

Semi-related...but my new Weatherby Mark V is probably the best purchase I've made in years, such a nice hunting rig. Got a lot of work out this year.

I picked up a Ruger American Predator this that’s been great. Very accurate and at a great price. 0.6in five shot group at 100 yards off of front and rear bags with 140grain 6.5cm.

As much as I like wood stocks (I hunt with a browning A bolt or a Marlin 336) these plastic stock budget rifles like the American are knocking it out of the park.

I just bought a Savage 110 Engage Hunter XP with a decent Bushnell scope. Same deal. Shoots great. $400. I have seen peeps on YouTube hit a milk jug with it at 1000 yards and more.

Savage gets a bad rap. Their higher end rifles are dream machines while the lower end ones are nothing to laugh at.

Savage in 300 Winchester. Replaced the nice wood stock with an aluminum bedded Carlson. Inside of 500 yards....lights out.
Had it for years. Got it after the last Remington that I never got along with. One of the first to go Savage down here in the south. I see a few more now days.

Not a thing in the world wrong with a Savage.

(11-21-2020 05:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Y’all reminded me of this.

(01-17-2023 09:18 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:14 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 09:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Bump stocks turn a semi auto into a full auto (for all practical purposes). You've had to have a very difficult to get license for full auto for a long long time now. Not the same thing at all.

So do shoe strings, coat hangers, belt loops, etc. bump stocks still require a manipulation of the trigger for every shot they just help you reset the trigger faster.

Outside of the specific of what was banned, what is dangerous is how. With an executive order trump added an entire class of devices to the NFA. No legislative oversight. There was no grandfather option, it was destroy the bump stock or turn it in. Possession is illegal, full stop. No compensation for the destruction of your property.

That isn’t a path that any gun owner should want to see happen. What is the next thing they can ban with an EO? My guess is it will be pistol braces for ARs, or rifle caliber pistols with removable magazines in general. Just make them all SBRs with a pen stroke.

And two years later that’s exactly what they did. Made all pistol brace guns SBRs with only an administrative ruling from ATF.

You can bet there was plenty of push from the guys you voted for. How does that make you feel about them now?

Quick question, maybe you know the answer. If I go ahead and register my braced guns as SBR's can I then just put a regular extending stock on them? I'm not a big fan of the braces anyway. I assume I can also add a foregrip to them after they are registered?

(01-17-2023 06:41 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 09:18 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:14 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 09:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Bump stocks turn a semi auto into a full auto (for all practical purposes). You've had to have a very difficult to get license for full auto for a long long time now. Not the same thing at all.

So do shoe strings, coat hangers, belt loops, etc. bump stocks still require a manipulation of the trigger for every shot they just help you reset the trigger faster.

Outside of the specific of what was banned, what is dangerous is how. With an executive order trump added an entire class of devices to the NFA. No legislative oversight. There was no grandfather option, it was destroy the bump stock or turn it in. Possession is illegal, full stop. No compensation for the destruction of your property.

That isn’t a path that any gun owner should want to see happen. What is the next thing they can ban with an EO? My guess is it will be pistol braces for ARs, or rifle caliber pistols with removable magazines in general. Just make them all SBRs with a pen stroke.

And two years later that’s exactly what they did. Made all pistol brace guns SBRs with only an administrative ruling from ATF.

You can bet there was plenty of push from the guys you voted for. How does that make you feel about them now?

Quick question, maybe you know the answer. If I go ahead and register my braced guns as SBR's can I then just put a regular extending stock on them? I'm not a big fan of the braces anyway. I assume I can also add a foregrip to them after they are registered?

This is how I understand it from the PDF:

Yes. You have a 120 day window to apply for the free Form 1 stamp. As long as you have submitted that application you are legal to continue owning the braced gun.

When the stamp comes in at that point it is an SBR and you can put whatever stock you want on it.

(01-17-2023 06:37 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 03:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 04:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 02:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:47 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I picked up a Ruger American Predator this that’s been great. Very accurate and at a great price. 0.6in five shot group at 100 yards off of front and rear bags with 140grain 6.5cm.

As much as I like wood stocks (I hunt with a browning A bolt or a Marlin 336) these plastic stock budget rifles like the American are knocking it out of the park.

I just bought a Savage 110 Engage Hunter XP with a decent Bushnell scope. Same deal. Shoots great. $400. I have seen peeps on YouTube hit a milk jug with it at 1000 yards and more.

Savage gets a bad rap. Their higher end rifles are dream machines while the lower end ones are nothing to laugh at.

Savage in 300 Winchester. Replaced the nice wood stock with an aluminum bedded Carlson. Inside of 500 yards....lights out.
Had it for years. Got it after the last Remington that I never got along with. One of the first to go Savage down here in the south. I see a few more now days.

Not a thing in the world wrong with a Savage.

Their accutrigger guns are a really good value.

(11-21-2020 05:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Y’all reminded me of this.

I've literally threatened two vagabonds with a 7-iron ... I can't post the details ...

@muhTinCup

(01-17-2023 06:55 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 06:41 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 09:18 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:14 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 09:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Bump stocks turn a semi auto into a full auto (for all practical purposes). You've had to have a very difficult to get license for full auto for a long long time now. Not the same thing at all.

So do shoe strings, coat hangers, belt loops, etc. bump stocks still require a manipulation of the trigger for every shot they just help you reset the trigger faster.

Outside of the specific of what was banned, what is dangerous is how. With an executive order trump added an entire class of devices to the NFA. No legislative oversight. There was no grandfather option, it was destroy the bump stock or turn it in. Possession is illegal, full stop. No compensation for the destruction of your property.

That isn’t a path that any gun owner should want to see happen. What is the next thing they can ban with an EO? My guess is it will be pistol braces for ARs, or rifle caliber pistols with removable magazines in general. Just make them all SBRs with a pen stroke.

And two years later that’s exactly what they did. Made all pistol brace guns SBRs with only an administrative ruling from ATF.

You can bet there was plenty of push from the guys you voted for. How does that make you feel about them now?

Quick question, maybe you know the answer. If I go ahead and register my braced guns as SBR's can I then just put a regular extending stock on them? I'm not a big fan of the braces anyway. I assume I can also add a foregrip to them after they are registered?

This is how I understand it from the PDF:

Yes. You have a 120 day window to apply for the free Form 1 stamp. As long as you have submitted that application you are legal to continue owning the braced gun.

When the stamp comes in at that point it is an SBR and you can put whatever stock you want on it.

I posted a video of a lawyer breaking down the ruling and he stated that we had 60 days from the date of the video (3 days ago I think) and that they had to be summitted by some time in March.

I can't help but wonder why you didn't respond to my dig about your democrat party and it's administrators undoubtedly pushing for this and pressuring the ATF into taking action. Since their actions don't align with your own position on the important issue of gun ownership - for which I applaud you - how can you continue to support their overall agenda?

As an aside, after reviewing the form 1 I think I need a lawyer to explain it to me.

Unfortunately for us, the best guns are the guns nobody knows you have.

Holy crap, I DO need an expert to help me navigate that form. It's ridiculously convoluted and complex.