(11-13-2020 07:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 03:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The current NCAA rule requires a round robin to be played in divisions that are as nearly equal as possible. That means 7 and 8 is okay. Or 6 and 7 is okay. 6 and 9 or 6 and 8 would not be okay.

Any team could be swung into the other division for a period of time.

If you get ND as your permanent 15th for football, only Penn State, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee, TAMU, LSU, Wisky, Alabama, and maybe Auburn and Oklahoma add any additional umph.

Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, NW, Vandy, Kentucky, Illinois, Ark, Mizzou, MSU, Ole Miss, etc., would just pay for themselves.

After Notre Dame joins as a full member IF the ACC ever need a 16th member: based on your list and a map; Tennessee is the ideal choice.

Finally something we can agree on.

(11-13-2020 08:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 07:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 03:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The current NCAA rule requires a round robin to be played in divisions that are as nearly equal as possible. That means 7 and 8 is okay. Or 6 and 7 is okay. 6 and 9 or 6 and 8 would not be okay.

Any team could be swung into the other division for a period of time.

If you get ND as your permanent 15th for football, only Penn State, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee, TAMU, LSU, Wisky, Alabama, and maybe Auburn and Oklahoma add any additional umph.

Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, NW, Vandy, Kentucky, Illinois, Ark, Mizzou, MSU, Ole Miss, etc., would just pay for themselves.

After Notre Dame joins as a full member IF the ACC ever need a 16th member: based on your list and a map; Tennessee is the ideal choice.

Finally something we can agree on.

Don't get all giddy on me GTS, it's the logical choice.
It might be the only chance that Tennessee will ever be able have to resurrect their football program to previous glory.
Years ago Tennessee invested in their basketball program and facilities which could now stand toe-to-toe with ACC teams. IIRC Tennessee, Kentucky and Carolina are the only "on campus" basketball arenas to seat in excess of 20,000.
Tennessee checks all of the boxes for ACC "needs" (Big time football reputation, big stadium, eastern time zone, new state/new market, location, location, location). There is also the chance to revive old Southern Conference rivalries with Duke, Carolina and Georgia Tech and develop new ones (remember the Speedway game with Virginia Tech).

(11-14-2020 07:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 08:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 07:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 03:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The current NCAA rule requires a round robin to be played in divisions that are as nearly equal as possible. That means 7 and 8 is okay. Or 6 and 7 is okay. 6 and 9 or 6 and 8 would not be okay.

Any team could be swung into the other division for a period of time.

If you get ND as your permanent 15th for football, only Penn State, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee, TAMU, LSU, Wisky, Alabama, and maybe Auburn and Oklahoma add any additional umph.

Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, NW, Vandy, Kentucky, Illinois, Ark, Mizzou, MSU, Ole Miss, etc., would just pay for themselves.

After Notre Dame joins as a full member IF the ACC ever need a 16th member: based on your list and a map; Tennessee is the ideal choice.

Finally something we can agree on.

Don't get all giddy on me GTS, it's the logical choice.
It might be the only chance that Tennessee will ever be able have to resurrect their football program to previous glory.
Years ago Tennessee invested in their basketball program and facilities which could now stand toe-to-toe with ACC teams. IIRC Tennessee, Kentucky and Carolina are the only "on campus" basketball arenas to seat in excess of 20,000.
Tennessee checks all of the boxes for ACC "needs" (Big time football reputation, big stadium, eastern time zone, new state/new market, location, location, location). There is also the chance to revive old Southern Conference rivalries with Duke, Carolina and Georgia Tech and develop new ones (remember the Speedway game with Virginia Tech).

why on god’s green earth would tinnessee leave the s-e-c ...

LA LA LAND

Tennessee? Oh hell why not Alabama? Or Southern Cal to open up the west coast? Both of those are as likely as Tennessee.

Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

(11-14-2020 10:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Tennessee? Oh hell why not Alabama? Or Southern Cal to open up the west coast? Both of those are as likely as Tennessee.

I'd like to see the ACC add Penn State, Ohio State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida and Auburn. Kneecap both the Big Ten and the SEC.

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

One of the criteria is Eastern US orientation and Kansas, Texas, and Iowa State are on the list????

(11-13-2020 03:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The current NCAA rule requires a round robin to be played in divisions that are as nearly equal as possible. That means 7 and 8 is okay. Or 6 and 7 is okay. 6 and 9 or 6 and 8 would not be okay.

Any team could be swung into the other division for a period of time.

If you get ND as your permanent 15th for football, only Penn State, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee, TAMU, LSU, Wisky, Alabama, and maybe Auburn and Oklahoma add any additional umph.

Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, NW, Vandy, Kentucky, Illinois, Ark, Mizzou, MSU, Ole Miss, etc., would just pay for themselves.

Mark, I don't think we want to kneecap anyone, just add some umph by picking one out of the list.

(11-15-2020 08:52 AM)schmolik Wrote:  One of the criteria is Eastern US orientation and Kansas, Texas, and Iowa State are on the list????

SAYS WHO

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

Why SEC and Big 12 but not Big Ten?

(11-15-2020 08:52 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

One of the criteria is Eastern US orientation and Kansas, Texas, and Iowa State are on the list????

Student and Faculty orientation. Where do the faculty come from, where do subsets of students come from, etc.

Just because large breasts may be on the list of ideal qualities of girl, does not mean that YOUR ideal girl has huge knockers. She may just be a C cup.

(11-15-2020 10:23 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

Why SEC and Big 12 but not Big Ten?

Because this is not how the question started

If you applied the same metrics to the Big 10 you get

1. Maryland
2. Penn State
3. Purdue
4. Indiana
5. NW

I'm not attempting to match football interests, I am attempting to match university cultures as best I know them.

Put them all together and you get something like:

1. MD (duh)
2. Florida (duh)
3. Vandy (duh)
4. SC (duh)

Far and away these are most like the ACC's core.

PSU, Purdue, Georgia would be in a secondary tier.

Texas, TN, Kansas, NW, Indiana, ISU and Auburn would be in a tertiary tier.

(11-15-2020 11:52 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 10:23 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

Why SEC and Big 12 but not Big Ten?

Because this is not how the question started

If you applied the same metrics to the Big 10 you get

1. Maryland
2. Penn State
3. Purdue
4. Indiana
5. NW

I'm not attempting to match football interests, I am attempting to match university cultures as best I know them.

Put them all together and you get something like:

1. MD (duh)
2. Florida (duh)
3. Vandy (duh)
4. SC (duh)

Far and away these are most like the ACC's core.

PSU, Purdue, Georgia would be in a secondary tier.

Texas, TN, Kansas, NW, Indiana, ISU and Auburn would be in a tertiary tier.

The ACC should have pursued Florida harder in the 70's when the Gators were rumored to be interested.
Carolina actually played two neutral site "test Market" games against Florida in 1972 (Jacksonville) and in 1976 (Tampa-inaugural game in the Tampa Stadium).
Florida also scheduled Duke in '74 and '75.

(11-15-2020 11:52 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 10:23 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

Why SEC and Big 12 but not Big Ten?

Because this is not how the question started

If you applied the same metrics to the Big 10 you get

1. Maryland
2. Penn State
3. Purdue
4. Indiana
5. NW

I'm not attempting to match football interests, I am attempting to match university cultures as best I know them.

Put them all together and you get something like:

1. MD (duh)
2. Florida (duh)
3. Vandy (duh)
4. SC (duh)

Far and away these are most like the ACC's core.

PSU, Purdue, Georgia would be in a secondary tier.

Texas, TN, Kansas, NW, Indiana, ISU and Auburn would be in a tertiary tier.

Your list makes sense. But the cultural fit doesn’t nessarily mean more money.

In terms of money, PSU and Texas are obvious choices. TN would be great too. In terms of possibility, I don’t see anyone coming though. Texas may consider joining as a partial member. ISU may come after 2025 if the ACC extends an offer but why would the ACC want ISU?

(11-15-2020 01:26 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 11:52 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 10:23 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-14-2020 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Personally, assuming the core political/sociology of the ACC is UVa/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT - the SEC/B12 schools most like this core are:

1. Florida
2. Vandy
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
4. TN
5. Kansas
6. Texas
7. Iowa State
8. Auburn

Political/sociological elements I think matter to this comparison:

1. Where the faculty comes from
2. Paternalism
3. Classicism
4. Diverse student body
5. Lots of imbedded Democrats
6. Eastern US orientation

This is who you can move into the ACC with the least culture shock and they will fit.

Why SEC and Big 12 but not Big Ten?

Because this is not how the question started

If you applied the same metrics to the Big 10 you get

1. Maryland
2. Penn State
3. Purdue
4. Indiana
5. NW

I'm not attempting to match football interests, I am attempting to match university cultures as best I know them.

Put them all together and you get something like:

1. MD (duh)
2. Florida (duh)
3. Vandy (duh)
4. SC (duh)

Far and away these are most like the ACC's core.

PSU, Purdue, Georgia would be in a secondary tier.

Texas, TN, Kansas, NW, Indiana, ISU and Auburn would be in a tertiary tier.

Your list makes sense. But the cultural fit doesn’t nessarily mean more money.

In terms of money, PSU and Texas are obvious choices. TN would be great too. In terms of possibility, I don’t see anyone coming though. Texas may consider joining as a partial member. ISU may come after 2025 if the ACC extends an offer but why would the ACC want ISU?

You only need enough money to compete against your peers. Conferences are built on cultural fit, not making money.

(11-14-2020 04:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'd like to see the ACC add Penn State, Ohio State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida and Auburn. Kneecap both the Big Ten and the SEC.

(11-15-2020 08:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  Mark, I don't think we want to kneecap anyone, just add some umph by picking one out of the list.

We don't. I added the coffee emoji so you guys would know I was kidding. Besides, the ACC doesn't have the ability to kneecap the Big Ten OR the SEC, even if it wanted to.

From 68 to 81 Florida played 13 times against Duke (4), MD and UNC (3 each in regular season), NC State (2), GT (1)

For all intents and purposes, adding GT precluded Florida. No one in the 70's or early 80's would have taken them over ACC tournament ticket books.

(11-15-2020 07:10 PM)Statefan Wrote:  From 68 to 81 Florida played 13 times against Duke (4), MD and UNC (3 each in regular season), NC State (2), GT (1)

For all intents and purposes, adding GT precluded Florida. No one in the 70's or early 80's would have taken them over ACC tournament ticket books.

The unwillingness of the ACC to give South Carolina a full allocation of tournament tickets upon re-entry is cited as the main reason the Gamecocks are not in the ACC today.

(11-15-2020 01:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  You only need enough money to compete against your peers. Conferences are built on cultural fit, not making money.

And this, folks, is why we are sucking hind tit to the rest of the P5 and will be fighting with one hand tied behind our backs for the next decade and a half. #goacc

(11-16-2020 08:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 01:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  You only need enough money to compete against your peers. Conferences are built on cultural fit, not making money.

And this, folks, is why we are sucking hind tit to the rest of the P5 and will be fighting with one hand tied behind our backs for the next decade and a half. #goacc

You always want to blame our situation on others, but Clemson is and has been in on every move or action the ACC has taken.
It's easy to point fingers unless you're looking in a mirror.