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RE: Bowl question
(11-13-2020 02:40 PM)CKMcDan Wrote: (11-13-2020 10:51 AM)Stammers Wrote: (11-13-2020 10:32 AM)CKMcDan Wrote: (11-12-2020 07:05 PM)Stammers Wrote: (11-12-2020 04:38 PM)CKMcDan Wrote: I do not see a scenario where the SEC or B12 allows the Liberty Bowl, or any other bowl game, to substitute Memphis or any other local G5 team, for an "eligible" league member. No way they tell one of their members to stay home, because the Sun Belt 3rd place team deserves this bowl bid more than you do.
Your side of the debate makes no sense because you are exaggerations are irrelevant. It wouldn't be a Sun Belt team. It would be us being the local team and teams like South Carolina, West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas State finding bowls that are closer. It would be Florida teams staying in Florida and Texas teams staying in Texas.
This entire discussion started with the topic of Memphis getting an invitation to the Liberty Bowl. I stand by my position that this will not happen. The losing record waiver will prevent that. No SEC Team is going to pass on the Liberty Bowl. The SEC will not allow that to happen.
If you look at the records today, and the current league bowl affiliations...
The B12 has 8 bowl tie-ins. That puts all their above-500 teams in a bowl game. No problems with the B12.
Counting the playoff, the SEC has 8 primary, and 2 secondary bowl affiliations. With no teams "ineligible" due to record, that means LSU, Missouri, Kentucky, Ole Miss, TN, MSU & So Carolina would be available for one of the SEC's contracted slots, despite their losing records (Ky, OM, TN MSU & SoC are all tied at 2-4). Which one of these SEC teams is going to voluntarily decide not to go to a bowl game? Or, which one of these teams is the SEC going to tell not to go to one of the SEC's contracted bowl games because "they don't deserve it"?
As for regional placement of teams in bowl games....
There are 6 bowl games in Texas, and 11 Div 1 football schools in Texas, so it may be possible to fill the minor Texas bowl slots with Texas teams.
There are 9 bowl games are in Florida, and only 7 Div 1 football Florida schools.
$EC teams in the Carolinas and Florida that would be considered for the LB might decide to play in a different bowl closer to home. Texas teams might decide to play in a bowl closer to home. The LB might decide that it makes more sense for us to play in it to replace a team that prefers not to travel so far.
The LB would most probably tell a 3-6 team that they don't want them. A 3-6 team would more than likely not want to play in a bowl game.
It seems that you ignored the reasons that a couple of posters gave and repeated the same thing. You are completely missing the point, in addition to your exaggerations. Your argument makes no sense.
What I am missing in these arguments is exactly which eligible SEC team will decline a Liberty Bowl invitation, allowing Memphis to take that slot? This isn't the Ivy League, its the SEC.
The lower-tier bowls may request certain teams, and the conference will try to work with them, but its ultimately the conference's decision who goes where. And, in this situation, it really doesn't matter what the Liberty Bowl prefers. The SEC has a contract with the LB, and the LB is going to honor it. The SEC isn't going to deny a bowl bid to one of its eligible members so Memphis can play in the LB.
Fair argument: South Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M will not likely be in the LB this year. But, it won't be because they decline the invitation, it will be because the SEC won't send them here when they've got Ole Miss, Miss State & Tennessee eligible to send to Memphis instead.
Tennessee is staring 3-7 in the face, MSU 3-8 or 4-7. IF Ole Piss can beat South Carolina they would maybe get to 4-6. If they are at 3-7 nobody in their right mind would invite them, and they would be crazy to even want to play in it.
Quote:The lower-tier bowls may request certain teams, and the conference will try to work with them, but its ultimately the conference's decision who goes where
Quote:it really doesn't matter what the Liberty Bowl prefers.
Quote:The SEC isn't going to deny a bowl bid to one of its eligible members so Memphis can play in the LB.
AGAIN, you are working with the assumption that your arguments make any sense (which they don't), that there isn't a pandemic, and that the organizers will accept a team that is 3-7 playing in their bowl game. It is public knowledge that the bowls are going to make changes that result in the least amount of travel possible.
Another poster gave the example of the Frisco Bowl. It should work out quite nicely, with Cincinnati going to a NY6 bowl, which leaves the door open for SMU to play in it, instead of teams from the MAC and MWC. There could easily be a scenario where the Big 12 puts a Texas based team at that bowl and allows us to take their place.
It might happen or it might not. To make a claim with certainty that the LB would allow a 3-7 team to play in their bowl game, is insane. To make a claim with certainty that a 3-7 team would want to play in a bowl game, is insane. Everything is on the table. You are apparently the only poster on the planet that doesn't think so.
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