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(11-07-2020 07:03 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Fwiw, BYU struggled with Houston and ultimately won by 17.

We dominated Houston start to finish and had the announcers talking about Dan Hoard's kids with half the 4th quarter left to play.

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Houston had a lead at the end of 3 Qrts. on BYU.

I don't think the perceived AAC weakness argument is as bad this year as in past. Enough top 25 presence has occurred this year to ignore. There's no denying it plays a factor though. All you can do is take each game and target winning the rest of them. You'll get a nice bowl regardless. Espn is actually fairly positive on the Bearcats:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...close-call

(11-08-2020 10:03 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 07:03 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Fwiw, BYU struggled with Houston and ultimately won by 17.

We dominated Houston start to finish and had the announcers talking about Dan Hoard's kids with half the 4th quarter left to play.

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Houston had a lead at the end of 3 Qrts. on BYU.

Yet I'm already seeing the spin that BYU has more merit than UC does....based on beating down a depleted (and not that great) Boise State team. It's like our drubbing of SMU is already a distant memory.

(11-08-2020 12:15 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:03 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 07:03 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Fwiw, BYU struggled with Houston and ultimately won by 17.

We dominated Houston start to finish and had the announcers talking about Dan Hoard's kids with half the 4th quarter left to play.

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Houston had a lead at the end of 3 Qrts. on BYU.

Yet I'm already seeing the spin that BYU has more merit than UC does....based on beating down a depleted (and not that great) Boise State team. It's like our drubbing of SMU is already a distant memory.

Keep the faith. We have a path and need to just keep winning. We already have some in the media saying we deserve a playoff bid and as more teams fall and if we continue to win we will see more people calling for us to get the bid. Even if we don’t it will hopefully be a catalyst for expansion.

(11-08-2020 12:15 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:03 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 07:03 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Fwiw, BYU struggled with Houston and ultimately won by 17.

We dominated Houston start to finish and had the announcers talking about Dan Hoard's kids with half the 4th quarter left to play.

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Houston had a lead at the end of 3 Qrts. on BYU.

Yet I'm already seeing the spin that BYU has more merit than UC does....based on beating down a depleted (and not that great) Boise State team. It's like our drubbing of SMU is already a distant memory.

Byu plays 2 more games in the next month and a half. One of them is an fcs team. They'll fade from memory like our smu game lol

I rewatched the game and paid attention to the discussion about the Playoffs at the end. McShay showed how many players were ranked in the top 200 in the 2021 draft from each of the potential playoff teams. It showed UC had 0 in the top 200. I will be shocked if we don’t have at least one player drafted higher than 200 in the upcoming draft. Wiggins should definitely go higher than 200, especially if he tests as high as I expect he will at the combine.

This also didn’t seem to account for underclassmen.

McShay did note that we had 4-5 players that he thought would be drafted late, but I don’t see how he didn’t project any inside the top 200.

(11-09-2020 05:19 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I rewatched the game and paid attention to the discussion about the Playoffs at the end. McShay showed how many players were ranked in the top 200 in the 2021 draft from each of the potential playoff teams. It showed UC had 0 in the top 200. I will be shocked if we don’t have at least one player drafted higher than 200 in the upcoming draft. Wiggins should definitely go higher than 200, especially if he tests as high as I expect he will at the combine.

This also didn’t seem to account for underclassmen.

McShay did note that we had 4-5 players that he thought would be drafted late, but I don’t see how he didn’t project any inside the top 200.

He can't project players like Hudson and Sanders, since they've got another year of eligibility...of our seniors, I don't think he's that far off. Think seniors only:

Ponder is essentially Cortez Broughton, who nearly wasn't drafted
White, while a great player, is woefully undersized
Bryant is an above average corner, but has shown to be very easily exploitable at times.
Wiggins has been a step off this year, but I think he is the most likely to be a second-day guy (2nd-4th round)
Forrest is a tweener, probably not fast enough to play safety in the NFL, but not a hitter. He honestly reminds me a lot of Eric Wilson, only he wasn't afforded the chance to move down to LB.
Dublanko and Beavers are way too slow for the NFL
Harper could have someone interested due to his size, but I would project him being a UDFA guy.
Pitts and Tucky don't have enough tape, but I think they would have a role if given the opportunity.
I actually think James Smith is more likely to be drafted than all but Ponder and Wiggins from this class.

Truthfully, our draft prospects move up A LOT with the Junior/RS Sophomore class:
Hudson, Ridder, Taylor, Pierce, Sanders, Vann, Robinson, McConnell, and Young along with Gardner, Bush, and Whyle

(11-09-2020 09:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 05:19 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I rewatched the game and paid attention to the discussion about the Playoffs at the end. McShay showed how many players were ranked in the top 200 in the 2021 draft from each of the potential playoff teams. It showed UC had 0 in the top 200. I will be shocked if we don’t have at least one player drafted higher than 200 in the upcoming draft. Wiggins should definitely go higher than 200, especially if he tests as high as I expect he will at the combine.

This also didn’t seem to account for underclassmen.

McShay did note that we had 4-5 players that he thought would be drafted late, but I don’t see how he didn’t project any inside the top 200.

He can't project players like Hudson and Sanders, since they've got another year of eligibility...of our seniors, I don't think he's that far off. Think seniors only:

Ponder is essentially Cortez Broughton, who nearly wasn't drafted
White, while a great player, is woefully undersized
Bryant is an above average corner, but has shown to be very easily exploitable at times.
Wiggins has been a step off this year, but I think he is the most likely to be a second-day guy (2nd-4th round)
Forrest is a tweener, probably not fast enough to play safety in the NFL, but not a hitter. He honestly reminds me a lot of Eric Wilson, only he wasn't afforded the chance to move down to LB.
Dublanko and Beavers are way too slow for the NFL
Harper could have someone interested due to his size, but I would project him being a UDFA guy.
Pitts and Tucky don't have enough tape, but I think they would have a role if given the opportunity.
I actually think James Smith is more likely to be drafted than all but Ponder and Wiggins from this class.

Truthfully, our draft prospects move up A LOT with the Junior/RS Sophomore class:
Hudson, Ridder, Taylor, Pierce, Sanders, Vann, Robinson, McConnell, and Young along with Gardner, Bush, and Whyle

The graphic said, draft eligible in 2020, iirc. That said, I believe we will still have a player taken before 200. Wiggins has had a good year, even if he hasn’t had as many highlights. I feel like he will go before the 6th RD, especially once he tests at the combine/pro day.

(11-09-2020 04:48 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 09:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 05:19 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I rewatched the game and paid attention to the discussion about the Playoffs at the end. McShay showed how many players were ranked in the top 200 in the 2021 draft from each of the potential playoff teams. It showed UC had 0 in the top 200. I will be shocked if we don’t have at least one player drafted higher than 200 in the upcoming draft. Wiggins should definitely go higher than 200, especially if he tests as high as I expect he will at the combine.

This also didn’t seem to account for underclassmen.

McShay did note that we had 4-5 players that he thought would be drafted late, but I don’t see how he didn’t project any inside the top 200.

He can't project players like Hudson and Sanders, since they've got another year of eligibility...of our seniors, I don't think he's that far off. Think seniors only:

Ponder is essentially Cortez Broughton, who nearly wasn't drafted
White, while a great player, is woefully undersized
Bryant is an above average corner, but has shown to be very easily exploitable at times.
Wiggins has been a step off this year, but I think he is the most likely to be a second-day guy (2nd-4th round)
Forrest is a tweener, probably not fast enough to play safety in the NFL, but not a hitter. He honestly reminds me a lot of Eric Wilson, only he wasn't afforded the chance to move down to LB.
Dublanko and Beavers are way too slow for the NFL
Harper could have someone interested due to his size, but I would project him being a UDFA guy.
Pitts and Tucky don't have enough tape, but I think they would have a role if given the opportunity.
I actually think James Smith is more likely to be drafted than all but Ponder and Wiggins from this class.

Truthfully, our draft prospects move up A LOT with the Junior/RS Sophomore class:
Hudson, Ridder, Taylor, Pierce, Sanders, Vann, Robinson, McConnell, and Young along with Gardner, Bush, and Whyle

The graphic said, draft eligible in 2020, iirc. That said, I believe we will still have a player taken before 200. Wiggins has had a good year, even if he hasn’t had as many highlights. I feel like he will go before the 6th RD, especially once he tests at the combine/pro day.

How many of those players would opt for another year due to COVID?

(edit) I don't want to come off as a hype guy for the Athletic (paysite), but since I took a snippet in another thread I figured I'd mention that Justin Williams just put up a piece on Myjai and other things UC football using a lot of short clips from the Houston game. He does a terrific job showing Sanders making plays that don't show up as sacks or even TFLs. Next Williams moves to a breakdown of my favorite UC play (calls it the Deguara Play - see the earlier in this and other game threads to see how much I love it) and shows some of the variations UC uses including RB handoffs and QB keepers. Finally, be still my heart, he breaks down some of the excellent blocking by the whole offense (outside of QB) especially along the OL with Renfro in particular standing out. Some great stuff imo.

Justin Williams. But yea. His stuff is great every week.

(11-09-2020 09:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 05:19 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I rewatched the game and paid attention to the discussion about the Playoffs at the end. McShay showed how many players were ranked in the top 200 in the 2021 draft from each of the potential playoff teams. It showed UC had 0 in the top 200. I will be shocked if we don’t have at least one player drafted higher than 200 in the upcoming draft. Wiggins should definitely go higher than 200, especially if he tests as high as I expect he will at the combine.

This also didn’t seem to account for underclassmen.

McShay did note that we had 4-5 players that he thought would be drafted late, but I don’t see how he didn’t project any inside the top 200.

He can't project players like Hudson and Sanders, since they've got another year of eligibility...of our seniors, I don't think he's that far off. Think seniors only:

Ponder is essentially Cortez Broughton, who nearly wasn't drafted
White, while a great player, is woefully undersized
Bryant is an above average corner, but has shown to be very easily exploitable at times.
Wiggins has been a step off this year, but I think he is the most likely to be a second-day guy (2nd-4th round)
Forrest is a tweener, probably not fast enough to play safety in the NFL, but not a hitter. He honestly reminds me a lot of Eric Wilson, only he wasn't afforded the chance to move down to LB.
Dublanko and Beavers are way too slow for the NFL
Harper could have someone interested due to his size, but I would project him being a UDFA guy.
Pitts and Tucky don't have enough tape, but I think they would have a role if given the opportunity.
I actually think James Smith is more likely to be drafted than all but Ponder and Wiggins from this class.

Truthfully, our draft prospects move up A LOT with the Junior/RS Sophomore class:
Hudson, Ridder, Taylor, Pierce, Sanders, Vann, Robinson, McConnell, and Young along with Gardner, Bush, and Whyle

I remember in 97 when 7 UC players got drafted and maybe no OSU players did. Shows one how much Minter sucked. Of course OSU players were young.

(11-12-2020 07:41 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  (edit) I don't want to come off as a hype guy for the Athletic (paysite), but since I took a snippet in another thread I figured I'd mention that Justin Williams just put up a piece on Myjai and other things UC football using a lot of short clips from the Houston game. He does a terrific job showing Sanders making plays that don't show up as sacks or even TFLs. Next Williams moves to a breakdown of my favorite UC play (calls it the Deguara Play - see the earlier in this and other game threads to see how much I love it) and shows some of the variations UC uses including RB handoffs and QB keepers. Finally, be still my heart, he breaks down some of the excellent blocking by the whole offense (outside of QB) especially along the OL with Renfro in particular standing out. Some great stuff imo.

Justin does a piece like that each week were he breaks down his point with game football. He’s a tremendous writer, it’s like reading print cover of the Sports Illustrated or The Sporting News from 20 years ago, except he writes about UC.

(11-13-2020 05:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 07:41 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  (edit) I don't want to come off as a hype guy for the Athletic (paysite), but since I took a snippet in another thread I figured I'd mention that Justin Williams just put up a piece on Myjai and other things UC football using a lot of short clips from the Houston game. He does a terrific job showing Sanders making plays that don't show up as sacks or even TFLs. Next Williams moves to a breakdown of my favorite UC play (calls it the Deguara Play - see the earlier in this and other game threads to see how much I love it) and shows some of the variations UC uses including RB handoffs and QB keepers. Finally, be still my heart, he breaks down some of the excellent blocking by the whole offense (outside of QB) especially along the OL with Renfro in particular standing out. Some great stuff imo.

Justin does a piece like that each week were he breaks down his point with game football. He’s a tremendous writer, it’s like reading print cover of the Sports Illustrated or The Sporting News from 20 years ago, except he writes about UC.

Agreed. Williams alone makes up the price of admission for my subscription.

(11-12-2020 09:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 09:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 05:19 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I rewatched the game and paid attention to the discussion about the Playoffs at the end. McShay showed how many players were ranked in the top 200 in the 2021 draft from each of the potential playoff teams. It showed UC had 0 in the top 200. I will be shocked if we don’t have at least one player drafted higher than 200 in the upcoming draft. Wiggins should definitely go higher than 200, especially if he tests as high as I expect he will at the combine.

This also didn’t seem to account for underclassmen.

McShay did note that we had 4-5 players that he thought would be drafted late, but I don’t see how he didn’t project any inside the top 200.

He can't project players like Hudson and Sanders, since they've got another year of eligibility...of our seniors, I don't think he's that far off. Think seniors only:

Ponder is essentially Cortez Broughton, who nearly wasn't drafted
White, while a great player, is woefully undersized
Bryant is an above average corner, but has shown to be very easily exploitable at times.
Wiggins has been a step off this year, but I think he is the most likely to be a second-day guy (2nd-4th round)
Forrest is a tweener, probably not fast enough to play safety in the NFL, but not a hitter. He honestly reminds me a lot of Eric Wilson, only he wasn't afforded the chance to move down to LB.
Dublanko and Beavers are way too slow for the NFL
Harper could have someone interested due to his size, but I would project him being a UDFA guy.
Pitts and Tucky don't have enough tape, but I think they would have a role if given the opportunity.
I actually think James Smith is more likely to be drafted than all but Ponder and Wiggins from this class.

Truthfully, our draft prospects move up A LOT with the Junior/RS Sophomore class:
Hudson, Ridder, Taylor, Pierce, Sanders, Vann, Robinson, McConnell, and Young along with Gardner, Bush, and Whyle

I remember in 97 when 7 UC players got drafted and maybe no OSU players did. Shows one how much Minter sucked. Of course OSU players were young.

That was probably 1998. In 1997 Ohio State had the #1 pick in the draft, and one of my all-time favorite players, Orlando Pace. As a kid who played offensive line... and nobody wants to play Offensive line as an 8 or 9 year old, Orlando Pace was probably the first player I saw who made playing offensive line cool. Dude was getting on the news to cook pancakes!

Correct, it was the 1998 Draft. The Seniors on that team went to the 1997 Humanitarian Bowl, which was UC’s first bowl since the 1940s (back when there were fewer bowls). Those drafted were:

Artrell Hawkins- 2nd Round (Bengals)
Brad Jackson- 3rd Round (Dolphins)
Jason Fabiano- 4th Round (Jets)
Derrick Ransom- 6th Round (Chiefs)
Rod Monroe- 7th Round (Cowboys)

(11-13-2020 08:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Correct, it was the 1998 Draft. The Seniors on that team went to the 1997 Humanitarian Bowl, which was UC’s first bowl since the 1940s (back when there were fewer bowls). Those drafted were:

Artrell Hawkins- 2nd Round (Bengals)
Brad Jackson- 3rd Round (Dolphins)
Jason Fabiano- 4th Round (Jets)
Derrick Ransom- 6th Round (Chiefs)
Rod Monroe- 7th Round (Cowboys)

That's one hell of a typo. Minter has some dudes over the years.

(11-13-2020 08:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Correct, it was the 1998 Draft. The Seniors on that team went to the 1997 Humanitarian Bowl, which was UC’s first bowl since the 1940s (back when there were fewer bowls). Those drafted were:

Artrell Hawkins- 2nd Round (Bengals)
Brad Jackson- 3rd Round (Dolphins)
Jason Fabiano- 4th Round (Jets)
Derrick Ransom- 6th Round (Chiefs)
Rod Monroe- 7th Round (Cowboys)

I know I'm taking this thread further astray but I will add that I believe that '97 bowl bid and subsequent victory were major breakthroughs for UC football after a 47 year absence from the postseason that ushered in the amazing success of this modern era.

(11-13-2020 08:30 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 08:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Correct, it was the 1998 Draft. The Seniors on that team went to the 1997 Humanitarian Bowl, which was UC’s first bowl since the 1940s (back when there were fewer bowls). Those drafted were:

Artrell Hawkins- 2nd Round (Bengals)
Brad Jackson- 3rd Round (Dolphins)
Jason Fabiano- 4th Round (Jets)
Derrick Ransom- 6th Round (Chiefs)
Rod Monroe- 7th Round (Cowboys)

That's one hell of a typo. Minter has some dudes over the years.

I’m terrible when it comes to typing on my phone.

(11-13-2020 09:02 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-13-2020 08:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Correct, it was the 1998 Draft. The Seniors on that team went to the 1997 Humanitarian Bowl, which was UC’s first bowl since the 1940s (back when there were fewer bowls). Those drafted were:

Artrell Hawkins- 2nd Round (Bengals)
Brad Jackson- 3rd Round (Dolphins)
Jason Fabiano- 4th Round (Jets)
Derrick Ransom- 6th Round (Chiefs)
Rod Monroe- 7th Round (Cowboys)

I know I'm taking this thread further astray but I will add that I believe that '97 bowl bid and subsequent victory were major breakthroughs for UC football after a 47 year absence from the postseason that ushered in the amazing success of this modern era.

97 was a bit of a breakthrough, but joining Conference USA is really what set us up for the success to follow.