(11-12-2020 12:39 AM)PrettyGoodRocket Wrote:  About as painful, embarrassing, and frustrating as it gets, hard one to swallow. That being said, can only improve from here and tonight had a FEW bright moments- i.e. Micah Kelly.

Quite frankly, and I do mean this with respect for you, I’m tired of looking for “bright moments” and opportunities for improvement with this program. We won the MAC in 2017 and got worse each season after that. $1 million head coach & all the resources that UT had over most if not all other MAC programs, and then we pull crap like losing to BG & Ball State last season and give up 13 points in 3 minutes to lose this one. This football program should be in a far better place than it is. Something needs to change if we’re going to win the MAC again, and we all know what.

(11-12-2020 01:08 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:39 AM)PrettyGoodRocket Wrote:  About as painful, embarrassing, and frustrating as it gets, hard one to swallow. That being said, can only improve from here and tonight had a FEW bright moments- i.e. Micah Kelly.

Quite frankly, and I do mean this with respect for you, I’m tired of looking for “bright moments” and opportunities for improvement with this program. We won the MAC in 2017 and got worse each season after that. $1 million head coach & all the resources that UT had over most if not all other MAC programs, and then we pull crap like losing to BG & Ball State last season and give up 13 points in 3 minutes to lose this one. This football program should be in a far better place than it is. Something needs to change if we’re going to win the MAC again, and we all know what.

And I, quite frankly, understand, and equally respect where you're coming from. But as fans there is not anything we can do to change the outcome of 2018, 2019, or tonight. Therefore, I was just looking forward with hope for something better. But those seasons or tonight are not up to par with our expectations, no doubt about that. we must be better.

put this damn game behind you, win the rest and finished at 5-1, learn from your mistakes.

I don't blame Candle. He's a disaster as a head coach, but why shouldn't he take a million dollar contract? The blame goes on O'Brien. He was lazy when the job opened up and hired Candle when there would have been a ton of good applicants. Then he gives Candle a crazy contract extension. In 18 seasons what has he done? Zero trips the the men's NCAA basketball tournament, one trip to the women's NCAA basketball tournament and one football title in the last 15 years. Could it be any worse?[/b]

I renew my season tickets because I enjoy tailgating with friends, listen to UTerry yell at the refs, and love watching college football in person.

Like it or not, we probably have 2-3 more seasons of Candle. His contract ends in 2023. No one is going to buy him out and he won’t be fired.

Expect 6-7 win seasons and maybe a bowl win...maybe

I’m hoping O’Brien exists when Candle does. This athletic department needs a new face. We’ve known this for a few years.

My only hope is that these OOC games in 2021 and 2022 we catch someone napping and steal a big win. After all, Candle does recruit talented players. He’s just not head coach material...

Well there pretty much goes our season. Nobody is beating WMU twice. The real coaching job is to keep these kids up the rest of the season.

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Credit to Western. Great execution on the onside kick (kicked it right at the freshman & charged him, making him react) and then awesome play call for the winning TD. The fact that we didn’t even cover that receiver just made Lester look more of a genius. I doubt we could have pulled that off if the roles had been reversed. We would have gotten an illegal procedure penalty or a delay of game penalty.

Missed field goal and clock miss management. Especially at the end of the first half. And too many dumb mistakes on special teams. That onside kick blunder was mother of all

I don't get the whistle. If was after the snap, therefore how is it the game clock starting whistle? Not that anything we did was good late in the game but that should have been blown dead IMO.

The BG game last year sent the Rockets into a final death spiral. Last nights game can do the same thing if the veteran players don't intercede, the team quit on that staff last year and it won't take much for them to quit again. After two games the Mount Union alumni association is lacking, Mount was dominant because Larry Kehres built a program that didn't need to recruit like a D-III school but more like a D-I, if they got a certain kid for whatever position they could clear the board because kids were knocking down the doors to go to Mount otherwise. Talent was off the charts and the administration was giddy due to enrollment. Toledo doesn't have the talent imbalance on their opponents that Mount had, so now you need to coach. It seems as though Candle and Campbell maintain a stoic stone face because Larry Kehres did. It's fine to admire a great coach but I wonder if that is really their personality? The fact is that the staff panicked near the end and it spilled over to the field, you can't win if you can't at least line up.

The play of the special teams has been mentioned frequently so there's not much for me to add but that there seems to be gaps in every unit. That doesn't strike me as being a function of lacking talent.

(11-12-2020 12:18 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:15 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:15 AM)adunifon Wrote:  That has to be worst all time loss. I challenge anyone to find one that tops that.

Blowing 31 point lead in Muncie in 4th was pretty bad


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+1

My money...BG last year! Although this implosion is close!

You can not convince me that these teams like Liberty, App State, Costal Carolina, and on and on have more resources than we do. There is NO reason that we should not be in the conversation with the best teams on G5 every year. Totally agree with the MOB comment about what UT has accomplished in his era. Academic offerings, academic support, community involvement, fan support, facilities, campus environment, location in the prime football Mecca in the country... we have what we need. We deserve better!!

Imo our kids played there hearts out and deserved the win. Our coaching staff let them down. Reminds me of when Jerry Faust was given the job at Notre Dame, out of his league and maybe out of Jason's as well!

Also, just listened to the post game presser. Jason never questioned the coaches or play calling (prevent defense and 3 man rush), can't fix what you don't think is broken!
How disappointing!

(11-12-2020 08:33 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Credit to Western. Great execution on the onside kick (kicked it right at the freshman & charged him, making him react) and then awesome play call for the winning TD. The fact that we didn’t even cover that receiver just made Lester look more of a genius. I doubt we could have pulled that off if the roles had been reversed. We would have gotten an illegal procedure penalty or a delay of game penalty.

The game would have ended before we would have had a delay of game penalty, so we would have had that going for us. Could have ended it like we did against Appy State a couple years back in the bowl game...

(11-12-2020 08:33 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Credit to Western. Great execution on the onside kick (kicked it right at the freshman & charged him, making him react) and then awesome play call for the winning TD. The fact that we didn’t even cover that receiver just made Lester look more of a genius. I doubt we could have pulled that off if the roles had been reversed. We would have gotten an illegal procedure penalty or a delay of game penalty.

The fact that a freshman was on the hands team is absolutely ridiculous. Typically, 99.9 % of all coaches fill the hands team with the most experienced skill players with the best "hands" across the two from lines. Amazing to think we put a kid in there that had not played the entire game and threw him into the fire in the most important play of the season. It's beyond crazy. He reacted to the ball like an inexperienced player and Western was smart enough to go right at him. I don't think it was mistake either. Special Teams coaching and execution was a disaster last night.

Well, not over yet - but not looking good. Mainly because I don't see us going undefeated the rest of the way. I can see Western losing to Central and Ball State - both games are on the road with Central coming up next. BSU QB can be tough throwing the ball and they have a some good receivers and a running back that went for 204 yds on 34 carries and caught 1 pass for 13. Surprised to see they came back to beat Eastern after being down 21-7.

Also did not see the linebacker from Notre Dame in the game. Looked at the stats and he did not appear in the list of tackles made. We also lost a DL with targeting in the first half. Some of those calls are just ridiculous - but I would say we probably benefitted from more bad calls than Western did. That's rare.

(11-12-2020 01:58 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  put this damn game behind you, win the rest and finished at 5-1, learn from your mistakes.

To quote Cornwallis in "The Patriot" - you dream, General.

Garbage coaching, garbage defense...

Every. Effin. Year.

(11-12-2020 04:45 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I don't blame Candle. He's a disaster as a head coach, but why shouldn't he take a million dollar contract? The blame goes on O'Brien. He was lazy when the job opened up and hired Candle when there would have been a ton of good applicants. Then he gives Candle a crazy contract extension. In 18 seasons what has he done? Zero trips the the men's NCAA basketball tournament, one trip to the women's NCAA basketball tournament and one football title in the last 15 years. Could it be any worse?[/b]

While there is no sugarcoating this loss, things certainly could be worse. We could be BG who became the first MAC team in 50 years to lose five straight games by at least 35 points and the first FBS team in 15 years to lose 5 straight conference games by at least 35 points.