New thing I'm seeing is #MaidenGate, where fraud was occuring using the maiden names of married
women, and that this would explain Trump's underperformance w/ women, despite imrpoving w/ other demographics.

Not really seeing much evidence on it, but that's people are talking about today.

(11-10-2020 10:52 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  New thing I'm seeing is #MaidenGate, where fraud was occuring using the maiden names of married
women, and that this would explain Trump's underperformance w/ women, despite imrpoving w/ other demographics.

Not really seeing much evidence on it, but that's people are talking about today.

People were once talking about trump being peed on by hookers in Russia...

(11-10-2020 10:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 10:52 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  New thing I'm seeing is #MaidenGate, where fraud was occuring using the maiden names of married
women, and that this would explain Trump's underperformance w/ women, despite imrpoving w/ other demographics.

Not really seeing much evidence on it, but that's people are talking about today.

People were once talking about trump being peed on by hookers in Russia...

In the Clinton-funded Steele dossier, full of Russian disinformation and then used to illegally obtain warrants to spy on the Trump campaign?

Oh yeah, I remember that.

At the end of the day... in order to prevent 50% of the population from losing all faith in our elections, we ABSOLUTELY have to do the investigation, the recounts, and have a day in court. There is no need to rush this. Al Gore got, what, 37 days? That was for ONE state.

(11-10-2020 08:46 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  So, I've been watching this thread and doing my best to learn for a while now, and I have a question for those who are already leaning toward a conclusion that the election was stolen: What would you have to see to make you believe otherwise? The current state of social media, blogs, and news sharing ensures that there will ALWAYS be another "source" that some are willing to believe in a highly uncritical manner (I'd actually say that this thread has shown that a time or two), and that doubt spreads quickly. We are in an age where we can easily find the "news" that supports our own opinions...so where do we go to find common ground?

If the president himself concedes, will that do it? I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine that simply not happening. (I do think all alleged misconduct should get the investigation it's due, by the way. We should all accept the idea that a legitimate investigation and recount could uncover details that change the outcome of the race.) But short of Trump himself saying the election wasn't rigged in a way that tilted it, who else holds any weight? It seems like Fox loses a little bit of their reputation with Trump supporters every time they disagree with him or show him in a negative light. Do they still have enough clout to make a difference?

I also recognize that this question can easily be reversed, to ask those who are already convinced the election was completely on the up and up what it would take for them to believe otherwise. That's fair, and I'd love to know that too, it's just not the main question I'm asking here.

You can't go back and untangle the bull**** in this election. The best that can be done is to fully vet every credible question of the results. Any statistical anomalies should be explained in layman's terms and verified. (Biden far out performing down ballot in key battleground states for example.)

Full recounts in states with anomolies or "late" ballots makes sense to me. If Gore can challenge a single state for 37 days, this can be vetted for just as long.

(11-10-2020 11:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  If Gore can challenge a single state for 37 days, this can be vetted for just as long.

Ridiculous take. It was one state with a 500 vote margin.

(11-10-2020 08:46 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  So, I've been watching this thread and doing my best to learn for a while now, and I have a question for those who are already leaning toward a conclusion that the election was stolen: What would you have to see to make you believe otherwise? The current state of social media, blogs, and news sharing ensures that there will ALWAYS be another "source" that some are willing to believe in a highly uncritical manner (I'd actually say that this thread has shown that a time or two), and that doubt spreads quickly. We are in an age where we can easily find the "news" that supports our own opinions...so where do we go to find common ground?

If the president himself concedes, will that do it? I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine that simply not happening. (I do think all alleged misconduct should get the investigation it's due, by the way. We should all accept the idea that a legitimate investigation and recount could uncover details that change the outcome of the race.) But short of Trump himself saying the election wasn't rigged in a way that tilted it, who else holds any weight? It seems like Fox loses a little bit of their reputation with Trump supporters every time they disagree with him or show him in a negative light. Do they still have enough clout to make a difference?

I also recognize that this question can easily be reversed, to ask those who are already convinced the election was completely on the up and up what it would take for them to believe otherwise. That's fair, and I'd love to know that too, it's just not the main question I'm asking here.

Recount of especially mail in ballots in PA, WI, MI, AZ, Nevada, GA, NC with legit folks doing the auditing. Eliminate the ballots for non registered, dead people, out of state folks, double votes, ballots that arrived after the election, bad signatures, and in Wisconsin for example ballots with no witness .. which is a requirement. No way Trump won Ohio by 8 points and lost those states or barely won.

(11-10-2020 11:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 11:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  If Gore can challenge a single state for 37 days, this can be vetted for just as long.

Ridiculous take. It was one state with a 500 vote margin.

37 days to straighten out 500 votes under "normal" circumstances, but no time to scrutinize all the election law changes, massive increase in mail in ballots, and statistical anomalies due to covid?

Now we know why the Left went absolutely ape-shiit over ACB.

RCP has house 216 D, 202 R (+5) with Republicans leading 11 of the remaining 17 races. If they won those 11, they would be +14.

Interesting that Iowa has 100% counted in 3 races, but only 89% in the 4th. Republican leads by about 100 votes.

(11-10-2020 10:57 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  At the end of the day... in order to prevent 50% of the population from losing all faith in our elections, we ABSOLUTELY have to do the investigation, the recounts, and have a day in court. There is no need to rush this. Al Gore got, what, 37 days? That was for ONE state.

That ship sailed a while ago. If the legal challenges end up showing that Trump won, the low info left will go crazy and allege it was stolen from Biden, no matter the evidence which is presented in court. It doesn't seem to matter that no winner has been officially announced by the Electoral college and no states have yet even certified their vote.

We've seen how the left acts when their candidate does not win, even if there is no evidence they can point to that things were not on the up and up.

All those on the left who have been screaming "where's the evidence?!!" don't seem to understand that the evidence is presented IN COURT. It does not get litigated in the media or on social media. Besides, Twitter is not a platform where the thousands of pages of info would fit into tweets.

Big Tech will not be in a courtroom to try and shield the dems or prevent Americans from hearing the truth. No Google, Twitter or Fakebook to shield them from the truth. Right now we don't know the truth but the staggering amount of fraud allegations suggest a massive campaign to subvert this election. We'll have to be patient and wait.

What many of us are wondering is that if the left really believed that there was nothing shady going on, why would they be fighting this hard to prevent a close look at all the disputed states?

After all this, if Trump is deemed the loser, those of us on that side might not be happy but we won't loot, vandalize or burn your neighborhoods or compile "enemy lists" of people to whom retribution will be coming. But at least some people will have a small measure of peace of mind knowing that we can have faith in our system of voting, which is really what this is about. However this comes out, I suspect that many on both sides of the aisle will have lost faith that our elections are free and fair.

AZ lead down to @14,900 with @61,000 votes left to count. Lots of provisional ballots in there. No idea who those would likely favor.

(11-10-2020 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  AZ lead down to @14,900 with @61,000 votes left to count. Lots of provisional ballots in there. No idea who those would likely favor.

Trump would have to win the remaining non provisional ballots at almost a 90% clip. Biden won AZ.

Don’t really have to win if you can get it close...then you just have to be able to get enough of the double votes, dead people’s mail in votes, and non-resident votes chucked.

A recount in AZ could be interesting.

(11-10-2020 02:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Don’t really have to win if you can get it close...then you just have to be able to get enough of the double votes, dead people’s mail in votes, and non-resident votes chucked.

A recount in AZ could be interesting.

I think they have to get the lead under 3,000 for a recount

(11-10-2020 02:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  AZ lead down to @14,900 with @61,000 votes left to count. Lots of provisional ballots in there. No idea who those would likely favor.

Trump would have to win the remaining non provisional ballots at almost a 90% clip. Biden won AZ.

Link. Does that only count legal votes? Gtfoh

(11-10-2020 02:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  AZ lead down to @14,900 with @61,000 votes left to count. Lots of provisional ballots in there. No idea who those would likely favor.

Trump would have to win the remaining non provisional ballots at almost a 90% clip. Biden won AZ.

Link. Does that only count legal votes? Gtfoh

Well yeah, I’m only going by the AZ SOS. Bro, I’m on your side. I just have not heard of rampant fraud in AZ like the others. Cindy McCain F’d that up with her country club never Trumpers in Scottsdale. McCain, the gift that keeps on giving.

(11-10-2020 02:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  AZ lead down to @14,900 with @61,000 votes left to count. Lots of provisional ballots in there. No idea who those would likely favor.

Trump would have to win the remaining non provisional ballots at almost a 90% clip. Biden won AZ.

Trump winning 90% is impossible but Biden winning 100% in several states is believable? Please.

(11-10-2020 02:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  AZ lead down to @14,900 with @61,000 votes left to count. Lots of provisional ballots in there. No idea who those would likely favor.

Trump would have to win the remaining non provisional ballots at almost a 90% clip. Biden won AZ.

Link. Does that only count legal votes? Gtfoh

Here's the almighty shere khan doing what he does best... Being ****** because he's got nothing else to fall back on.

(11-10-2020 02:13 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 02:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Don’t really have to win if you can get it close...then you just have to be able to get enough of the double votes, dead people’s mail in votes, and non-resident votes chucked.

A recount in AZ could be interesting.

I think they have to get the lead under 3,000 for a recount

Recount triggers at .1%. If they get to 4,000,000 total votes that would be @ 4,000. That’s a stretch but not outside the realm of possibility.

They are separated by a bit less than .5% right now.