(11-04-2020 11:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Biden has been in politics for 40+ years and the number 2 guy for 8 years and the US didn't fall apart.

This over the top end of the world talk is a little much. There is middle ground.

47 years and no accomplishments to speak of. Biden isn't the threat, it's Kamala Harris which will be running the show with the help of Pelosi, Bernie, and the squad/

What is this middle ground you speak of?

Ending the Trump tax cuts, thereby raising EVERYBODYS taxes?

Eliminating Fracking and ending the use of fossil fuels by 2025?

Tearing down the border wall and providing amnesty to 15 million illegals?

Single payer healthcare?

PR and DC statehood to all but guarantee single party rule in the senate?

Packing the SC?

A new "assault weapons" ban and pricing citizens out of 2A rights by raising ammo prices?



I'm not saying all that will happen, but that's all in Biden's platform (which he didn't write and probably isn't even aware of)

can any of that be done without approval of the senate?

(11-04-2020 11:25 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  One thing that is not in dispute from last night; most polls and Nate Silver are big steaming piles of dog crap.

And he spent the last month letting everyone know what polls were reliable and what ones were not

Recount

(11-04-2020 11:35 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  GA finally starting to get called for Trump.

It's all Shenanigans.

NC at 95% counted has 283k left to be counted and Trump has a 80K lead. Trump won NC and Cooper is holding it up because?

You have until the 12th for unreturned unsigned ballots to be returned and counted

(11-04-2020 11:37 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Biden has been in politics for 40+ years and the number 2 guy for 8 years and the US didn't fall apart.

This over the top end of the world talk is a little much. There is middle ground.

47 years and no accomplishments to speak of. Biden isn't the threat, it's Kamala Harris which will be running the show with the help of Pelosi, Bernie, and the squad/

What is this middle ground you speak of?

Ending the Trump tax cuts, thereby raising EVERYBODYS taxes?

Eliminating Fracking and ending the use of fossil fuels by 2025?

Tearing down the border wall and providing amnesty to 15 million illegals?

Single payer healthcare?

PR and DC statehood to all but guarantee single party rule in the senate?

Packing the SC?

A new "assault weapons" ban and pricing citizens out of 2A rights by raising ammo prices?



I'm not saying all that will happen, but that's all in Biden's platform (which he didn't write and probably isn't even aware of)

can any of that be done without approval of the senate?

pen and phone right?

Hopefully the Senate and the SC can provide insulation against run away EOs.

Besides, he asked about middle ground. I'm simply pointing out there isn't much "middle ground" in the dem platform or in their campaign promises.

(11-04-2020 11:37 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Biden has been in politics for 40+ years and the number 2 guy for 8 years and the US didn't fall apart.

This over the top end of the world talk is a little much. There is middle ground.

47 years and no accomplishments to speak of. Biden isn't the threat, it's Kamala Harris which will be running the show with the help of Pelosi, Bernie, and the squad/

What is this middle ground you speak of?

Ending the Trump tax cuts, thereby raising EVERYBODYS taxes?

Eliminating Fracking and ending the use of fossil fuels by 2025?

Tearing down the border wall and providing amnesty to 15 million illegals?

Single payer healthcare?

PR and DC statehood to all but guarantee single party rule in the senate?

Packing the SC?

A new "assault weapons" ban and pricing citizens out of 2A rights by raising ammo prices?



I'm not saying all that will happen, but that's all in Biden's platform (which he didn't write and probably isn't even aware of)

can any of that be done without approval of the senate?

Some of it will be attempted to be done without the Senate. EO and PDDs can change policy at the departmental level without Congress's approval and do so overnight. Then it goes to the courts, which is why Senate control and ACB are so important now. But these cases could take YEARS to reach the SC and meanwhile they become de facto law of the land. Businesses and lives can be ruined in a matter of days, much less years.

(11-04-2020 11:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:37 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Biden has been in politics for 40+ years and the number 2 guy for 8 years and the US didn't fall apart.

This over the top end of the world talk is a little much. There is middle ground.

47 years and no accomplishments to speak of. Biden isn't the threat, it's Kamala Harris which will be running the show with the help of Pelosi, Bernie, and the squad/

What is this middle ground you speak of?

Ending the Trump tax cuts, thereby raising EVERYBODYS taxes?

Eliminating Fracking and ending the use of fossil fuels by 2025?

Tearing down the border wall and providing amnesty to 15 million illegals?

Single payer healthcare?

PR and DC statehood to all but guarantee single party rule in the senate?

Packing the SC?

A new "assault weapons" ban and pricing citizens out of 2A rights by raising ammo prices?



I'm not saying all that will happen, but that's all in Biden's platform (which he didn't write and probably isn't even aware of)

can any of that be done without approval of the senate?

pen and phone right?

Hopefully the Senate and the SC can provide insulation against run away EOs.

Besides, he asked about middle ground. I'm simply pointing out there isn't much "middle ground" in the dem platform or in their campaign promises.

If Trump doesn't win it will be statis quote Cocaine Mitch will shut things down like he did after Obamacare

Media will probably announce Biden winner. The case is, Trump is going to the courts. Things hardly change, but these are messed up times...

(11-04-2020 11:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 10:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  So far Republicans +5 in House. I thought they would pick up about 10. Saw a comment that they were "poised" to pick up more than 10.

Only Dem pickups are 2 redrawn NC districts. Republicans have picked up 2 in FL, 1 in IA, 1 in OK, 1 in NM, 1 in SC, 1 in MN.

At this point Senate seems safe. RCP still has it 47-45-2. Uncalled:
Alaska 50% Sullivan R 63.1 Gross D 31.8
Georgia 100% Perdue R 50.8 Carpetbagger Osoff 46.9
North Carolina 100% Tillis R 48.7 Cunningham D 46.9
Maine 92% Collins R 50.9 Gideon D 42.5
Michigan 90% James R 49.2 Peters D 49.0

Georgia Special is a runoff Warnoff D 31.9 Loeffler R 26.5 Collins R 20.4.

Funny. Fox’s desk that calls races announced the Democrats would be between +5-10 in the House at about 8:30 last night.

Yeah. Before the polls even closed in Iowa and California where there were good chances of pickups. Clearly they called things based on notoriously unreliable exit polls.

Dems were in about 25 more Trump districts than Republicans in Clinton districts. It just made zero sense that the Dems would pickup seats.

AZ is wild. There are just over 400,000 ballots yet to be counted. If Trump holds onto a 64% edge in them (he's ran slightly better than that during the night after Fox News called it) Trump would win by 20K votes.

(11-04-2020 11:37 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Biden has been in politics for 40+ years and the number 2 guy for 8 years and the US didn't fall apart.

This over the top end of the world talk is a little much. There is middle ground.

47 years and no accomplishments to speak of. Biden isn't the threat, it's Kamala Harris which will be running the show with the help of Pelosi, Bernie, and the squad/

What is this middle ground you speak of?

Ending the Trump tax cuts, thereby raising EVERYBODYS taxes?

Eliminating Fracking and ending the use of fossil fuels by 2025?

Tearing down the border wall and providing amnesty to 15 million illegals?

Single payer healthcare?

PR and DC statehood to all but guarantee single party rule in the senate?

Packing the SC?

A new "assault weapons" ban and pricing citizens out of 2A rights by raising ammo prices?



I'm not saying all that will happen, but that's all in Biden's platform (which he didn't write and probably isn't even aware of)

can any of that be done without approval of the senate?

I hope not.

(11-04-2020 11:45 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:37 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Biden has been in politics for 40+ years and the number 2 guy for 8 years and the US didn't fall apart.

This over the top end of the world talk is a little much. There is middle ground.

47 years and no accomplishments to speak of. Biden isn't the threat, it's Kamala Harris which will be running the show with the help of Pelosi, Bernie, and the squad/

What is this middle ground you speak of?

Ending the Trump tax cuts, thereby raising EVERYBODYS taxes?

Eliminating Fracking and ending the use of fossil fuels by 2025?

Tearing down the border wall and providing amnesty to 15 million illegals?

Single payer healthcare?

PR and DC statehood to all but guarantee single party rule in the senate?

Packing the SC?

A new "assault weapons" ban and pricing citizens out of 2A rights by raising ammo prices?



I'm not saying all that will happen, but that's all in Biden's platform (which he didn't write and probably isn't even aware of)

can any of that be done without approval of the senate?

I hope not.

It can't and would be litigated.

So, we are supposed to believe Biden received more votes than Obama did in 2008? How many multiple mass mailed out ballots were sent to the same address and filled out by the current occupant? We know for a fact it happened. If Trump keeps GA, NC, AK and the one in Maine and Arizona flips as is predicted due to the miscalculation and wins PA it is over. Fox blew AZ. Way too many votes still not counted. PA would have to be a scam to lose it. MI and WI still too close. Tough to see the Reps. gaining House seats and keeping the Senate with possibly flipping 2 and Trump not also winning. Especially when one of the Senate flips is in a state Trump is supposedly losing. Lot of people voted R for Senate and D for Prez.

(11-04-2020 05:34 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 05:19 AM)Curumim Wrote:  Suburbs giving Biden the W? How ironic. Whatever the outcome, this result shows America is doomed.

I been convinced for a few years that we are at the end of our republic. A Trump win was just delaying the inevitable.

The shadowy Globalist "high table" brought us the pandemic and all the madness of 2020 to get rid of Trump and its going to work.

They are making their end game move.

As a Bible believer, everything the Bible predicted at the end is happening just as written. A coming global power and government, Israel reborn in the Holy Land, Jerusalem and the Holy Land being at the center of world peace. A weakened America not in a position to defend the free world. digital currency and everyone marked on the hand or forehead for "protection" and vaccination from diseases.

The whole world able to see events unfold all at the same time in real time. I could go on for days.

Now is the time to put your faith in Christ alone. There is not much time left and deception and chaos is all that is ahead.

Do you think the Jezebel the Bible refers to is Harris?

(11-04-2020 11:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  AZ is wild. There are just over 400,000 ballots yet to be counted. If Trump holds onto a 64% edge in them (he's ran slightly better than that during the night after Fox News called it) Trump would win by 20K votes.

Yeah---I dont get why FOX hasnt rescinded its call of Arizona. Their "call desk" guy said the reason they called it was because the outstanding vote was mail in and it would be largely Biden. If thats the case, then the margin should be widening---not closing. Its now 50K closer than it was and at this rate of close, Trump would win. Typically, a "call" should be rescinded when the actual vote fails to track the expectation. The outstanding vote is not breaking Biden as expected--thus the logic the FOX "call desk" gave for the call is no longer operative. They are just being hard headed at this point. They may end up being right---but their logic for the call has clearly proven faulty.

(11-04-2020 11:47 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, we are supposed to believe Biden received more votes than Obama did in 2008? How many multiple mass mailed out ballots were sent to the same address and filled out by the current occupant? We know for a fact it happened. If Trump keeps GA, NC, AK and the one in Maine and Arizona flips as is predicted due to the miscalculation and wins PA it is over. Fox blew AZ. Way too many votes still not counted. PA would have to be a scam to lose it. MI and WI still too close. Tough to see the Reps. gaining House seats and keeping the Senate with possibly flipping 2 and Trump not also winning. Especially when one of the Senate flips is in a state Trump is supposedly losing. Lot of people voted R for Senate and D for Prez.

Trump team believes they will also win NV by almost 6000 votes.

With GA and NC, Trump could win with PA and NV alone.

WI is going to be in recount range.

(11-04-2020 11:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  AZ is wild. There are just over 400,000 ballots yet to be counted. If Trump holds onto a 64% edge in them (he's ran slightly better than that during the night after Fox News called it) Trump would win by 20K votes.

Yeah---I dont get why FOX hasnt rescinded its call of Arizona. Their "call desk" guy said the reason they called it was because the outstanding vote was mail in and it would be largely Biden. If thats the case, then the margin should be widening---not closing. Its now 50K closer than it was and at this rate of close, Trump would win. Typically, a "call" should be rescinded when the actual vote fails to tack the expectation. The outstanding vote is not breaking Biden--thus the logic the FOX call desk gave for the call is no longer operative.

Did anyone else ever make a call in AZ besides FOX?

(11-04-2020 11:51 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-04-2020 11:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  AZ is wild. There are just over 400,000 ballots yet to be counted. If Trump holds onto a 64% edge in them (he's ran slightly better than that during the night after Fox News called it) Trump would win by 20K votes.

Yeah---I dont get why FOX hasnt rescinded its call of Arizona. Their "call desk" guy said the reason they called it was because the outstanding vote was mail in and it would be largely Biden. If thats the case, then the margin should be widening---not closing. Its now 50K closer than it was and at this rate of close, Trump would win. Typically, a "call" should be rescinded when the actual vote fails to tack the expectation. The outstanding vote is not breaking Biden--thus the logic the FOX call desk gave for the call is no longer operative.

Did anyone else ever make a call in AZ besides FOX?

The AP did much later

Arizona looking kinda sus right now...


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My map is looking pretty good. There's still a ton of counting to be done in PA. Dems vote absentee at three times the rate of Republicans. I think when it's all said and done, PA will be blue.