Thank you!

What's scary is I've never even heard of this group. Imagine how many more are out there. Scary stuff.

Quote:Federal agents on Thursday arrested two men, including the self-proclaimed leader of the Base, a violent, white supremacist group, as part of a continuing crackdown on extremism in Michigan three weeks after the FBI said it thwarted a plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

A team of FBI agents arrested Justen Watkins, 25, of Bad Axe, the self-proclaimed leader of the Base, and Alfred Gorman, 35, of Taylor, during a pair of raids across Michigan, a source told The Detroit News.

They are linked to a December 2019 incident in Dexter in which a local family was terrorized by the men, who tried to intimidate a husband and wife and shared their address with members of the Base, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement.

FBI arrests white supremacy leader in extremism crackdown in Michigan

Lock'em up and throw away the key. We cant have people trying to kidnap or harm public officials with whom they disagree (lol---even if the official is officially a moron).

Isn’t it good that trumps department of justice is arresting violent people

Two more? The last guys were anarchist not white supremacy guys. Keep your whackos straight.

Good for the FBI. It looks like they do their job sometimes.

I found this interesting:

Quote:Her office charged the men with several felonies, including gang membership, a 20-year felony,

Honest question for anyone who might know: do gang-bangers get charged with this when they get arrested? Does it go on top of whatever crime they were caught committing?

Good

He posts it like it's some kind of slur on conservatives (who are vastly more law abiding that most libtards these days).

(10-29-2020 11:33 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He posts it like it's some kind of slur on conservatives (who are vastly more law abiding that most libtards these days).

Bless your ironic heart.

(10-29-2020 11:29 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Honest question for anyone who might know: do gang-bangers get charged with this when they get arrested? Does it go on top of whatever crime they were caught committing?

Need to see the actual statue they were charged under. It probably details what gang activity actually is. Just being a member of a gang and getting arrested likely would not lead to such a charge, but if you were plotting with others to commit crimes, I can see it then applying.

(10-29-2020 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:29 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Honest question for anyone who might know: do gang-bangers get charged with this when they get arrested? Does it go on top of whatever crime they were caught committing?

Need to see the actual statue they were charged under. It probably details what gang activity actually is. Just being a member of a gang and getting arrested likely would not lead to such a charge, but if you were plotting with others to commit crimes, I can see it then applying.

What? Everything street gangs do essentially involves plotting with others to commit crimes. They sell drugs, rob, steal and kill. Those are all crimes, ya know.

(10-29-2020 12:00 PM)banker Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:29 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Honest question for anyone who might know: do gang-bangers get charged with this when they get arrested? Does it go on top of whatever crime they were caught committing?

Need to see the actual statue they were charged under. It probably details what gang activity actually is. Just being a member of a gang and getting arrested likely would not lead to such a charge, but if you were plotting with others to commit crimes, I can see it then applying.

What? Everything street gangs do essentially involves plotting with others to commit crimes. They sell drugs, rob, steal and kill. Those are all crimes, ya know.

Of course...as I said...need to see the actual statute charged under.

Found this...sounds like a felony is the key.

Quote:411u. (1) If a person who is an associate or a member of a gang commits a felony or attempts to commit a felony and the person's association or membership in the gang provides the motive, means, or opportunity to commit the felony, the person is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 20 years.

(10-29-2020 12:00 PM)banker Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:29 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Honest question for anyone who might know: do gang-bangers get charged with this when they get arrested? Does it go on top of whatever crime they were caught committing?

Need to see the actual statue they were charged under. It probably details what gang activity actually is. Just being a member of a gang and getting arrested likely would not lead to such a charge, but if you were plotting with others to commit crimes, I can see it then applying.

What? Everything street gangs do essentially involves plotting with others to commit crimes. They sell drugs, rob, steal and kill. Those are all crimes, ya know.

Not if they're BLM....

Throw the book at these wackos.

These kinds of violent anarchist/white suprematist wackos are obviously not true conservatives but are more like the antifa anarchist wackos.

Interestingly, as demonstrated here, conservatives don't claim these kinds of cooks and demand that justice be served for their violent behavior whereas liberals embrace the wacko violent antifa and BLM organization wackos. It's perplexing to me.

Good news. No place for hate in this country.

Tom.... I don't know if you honestly don't know this or if you're just playing dumb because it suits your cause....

but this is exactly what the FBI has done to the Klan over the past few decades. They are no longer a meaningful movement, but instead are a rag-tag bunch of small and mostly inconsequential groups of morons. You haven't heard of this group because the group consists of about a dozen people in rural Michigan. They occasionally try and use the internet to coordinate with other inconsequential groups and this is most often how they are caught.

Here... From that bastion of right-wing thought... the ADL
https://www.adl.org/education/resources/...of-the-kkk

Despite a persistent ability to attract media attention, organized Ku Klux Klan groups are actually continuing a long-term trend of decline. They remain a collection of mostly small, disjointed groups that continually change in name and leadership. Down slightly from a year ago, there are currently just over thirty active Klan groups in the United States, most of them very small. However, the association of Klan members with criminal activity has remained consistent.

So 30 very small groups spread across a country of 350mm people... and under almost constant surveillance by the FBI.

I don't know how many people that is, but according to wiki, the same source I quoted above says that in 1999, there were just over 100 groups with no more than a few thousand members. If you cut the number of groups by 2/3rds, you're likely speaking of 1/3 of 'no more than a few thousand' people.... so likely just a few hundred. Also according to wiki, the SPLC (another right wing think-tank) agrees that its about 30 small groups as of 2017.

It's Michigan.. you could throw a rock and hit someone who's in some self-proclaimed militia group...

Now one of the problems I've been hearing in a lot of these crackdowns lately, is that the militia groups have been implying that it's the "undercover" FBI agents who have been instigating the idea of these assaults in the militias, and that a few of them are ready to argue 'entrapment' by the FBI. (Dunno if it's true or not)

(10-29-2020 12:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Tom.... I don't know if you honestly don't know this or if you're just playing dumb because it suits your cause....

Dude, I come here for quick breaks from my daily work to have fun and laugh a little bit. I'm not here with some grand scheme of disrupting threads or trying to change anyone's mind. I have no ******* "cause". Get over yourself.

(10-29-2020 11:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lock'em up and throw away the key. We cant have people trying to kidnap or harm public officials with whom they disagree (lol---even if the official is officially a moron).

Anecdotal evidence is not official and she has not been officially diagnosed - you must use Allegedly, as in:

Even if the official is allegedly a moron.

For "official" feel free to insert:

Big Gretch
Joe Biden
Nancy Pelosi
Chuck Schumer
Adam Schiff
Jerry Nadler
Bill Deblasio
Any Cuomo...

Carry on

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 12:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Tom.... I don't know if you honestly don't know this or if you're just playing dumb because it suits your cause....

Dude, I come here for quick breaks from my daily work to have fun and laugh a little bit. I'm not here with some grand scheme of disrupting threads or trying to change anyone's mind. I have no ******* "cause". Get over yourself.

Read what you just wrote above, Tom. Coming here for quick breaks to have fun and laugh is a cause, while denying that you have one.

That said, you have previously admitted numerous times to being a supporter of the left, so that too is clearly your cause. I never suggested you were here to change anyone's mind... I merely suggested that your hypocrisy is transparent. If you don't care and this is just for fun, then stop complaining about those who call you a Democrat.... since that could also be someone else's version of 'fun'.

I doubt that being a hypocrite is your cause, so I've assigned 'calling righties hypocrites' as your cause in this post... So you either don't know anything about such groups OR you do know about them, but you ignore what you know so that you can try and call other people hypocrites.

Since you STARTED the thread, you clearly weren't intending to disrupt one with this post... and such obviously banal points wouldn't change anyone's mind... so why you think that's what I meant is beyond me.

(10-29-2020 12:21 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  It's Michigan.. you could throw a rock and hit someone who's in some self-proclaimed militia group...

Now one of the problems I've been hearing in a lot of these crackdowns lately, is that the militia groups have been implying that it's the "undercover" FBI agents who have been instigating the idea of these assaults in the militias, and that a few of them are ready to argue 'entrapment' by the FBI. (Dunno if it's true or not)

That's been a pattern over the past decade. Have been articles written about it. FBI crows that they disrupted xx plot against xx. Drill down a bit and you find undercover agents instigating and urging them to do something crazy. Then, one of the unhinged nuts goes and tries to put their 'plan' into action and the whole bunch gets busted. Easy peazy. Little effort put forth by FBI but a PR victory.