discuss penny and expectations
should Marshall be fired and guess if he will be fired
who is the underrated teams

predictions and superlatives all included
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...dark-cloud

(10-27-2020 10:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  discuss penny and expectations
should Marshall be fired and guess if he will be fired
who is the underrated teams

predictions and superlatives all included
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...dark-cloud

Good stuff, I liked the anonymous coaches feedback.
Maybe its the homer in me, but I don't think Lunardi is much of a Penny fan. One of Lunardi's buddies must have got fired or didn't get the job. He talks about the players eating humble pie even though CPH did all the trash talking. You can tell Lunardi doesn't think Penny can coach and is just recruiter. CPH has made some mistakes but he seems to recognize them and adjusts.

Lunardi missed that Temple also has a mens basketball national championship. Granted it was 1937-38, but it is legit.

He's actually incorrect. Houston has never won a national championship in basketball. Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Houston, SMU, Wichita State have all been to the Final Four. Temple and Cincinnati have won the national championship in basketball.

Tulsa's out here flying under the radar again. I love it.

(10-27-2020 01:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's out here flying under the radar again. I love it.

I don't. That's one of the biggest strikes against having Tulsa in the league. Even when you are good you don't attract accolades/respect. Not a good ingredient to adding respect and visibility to the league.

"Losing UConn hurts. One of the things UConn did was play an awesome nonconference schedule, so they always walked into conference play with a really good NET. They obviously weren't dominant, but it always helped your computer numbers

Someone was keeping it real. but as funny as it was Uconn just seemed disorganized but played their hearts out at times.

(10-27-2020 02:58 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 01:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's out here flying under the radar again. I love it.

I don't. That's one of the biggest strikes against having Tulsa in the league. Even when you are good you don't attract accolades/respect. Not a good ingredient to adding respect and visibility to the league.

Honestly, it's better to fly under the radar early on than to have high hopes and then crash and burn. It makes the entire league look worse... because the rest of the league wasn't as good to begin with... then the best team wasn't any good so what does that make the other teams?


Also... what the hell does SMU have to talk about? You guys have been decent in basketball for like 4 seasons in the past 20.

Better than the half-assed one CBS did. I at least got the impression that the ESPN guys had watched some league games. Nolley for POY is a great pick. CBS gave him no love. I think Scott, Yetna, and Gardner will also have a chance. Still upset no one picked Temple to finish last. Wichita at 5, given the noise around their program and the influx of newcomers, seems a bit high. Somewhere between 6-8 seems more likely. UH, Memphis, UC, and SMU is the safe bet for the top four, but I think USF has a good chance to beat someone out. Lot of returners, some potential impact players in the recruiting class, and they return Yetna. They'll probably be the most physically imposing team not named Memphis. Tulsa is sneaky too but I like USF as my sleeper pick.

1. UH (Because I'm a homer, genuinely surprised no one picked Memphis)
2. Memphis
3. UC
4. USF
5. SMU (They have the roster to win the league but I don't trust Jank)
6. Tulsa
7. Wichita
8. UCF (Would be shocked if Dawkins has them finishing higher)
9. ECU
10. Tulane
11. Temple (They needed to hire someone with no ties to the Dunphy era, imo)

(10-27-2020 04:28 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Better than the half-assed one CBS did. I at least got the impression that the ESPN guys had watched some league games. Nolley for POY is a great pick. CBS gave him no love. I think Scott, Yetna, and Gardner will also have a chance. Still upset no one picked Temple to finish last. Wichita at 5, given the noise around their program and the influx of newcomers, seems a bit high. Somewhere between 6-8 seems more likely. UH, Memphis, UC, and SMU is the safe bet for the top four, but I think USF has a good chance to beat someone out. Lot of returners, some potential impact players in the recruiting class, and they return Yetna. They'll probably be the most physically imposing team not named Memphis. Tulsa is sneaky too but I like USF as my sleeper pick.

1. UH (Because I'm a homer, genuinely surprised no one picked Memphis)
2. Memphis
3. UC
4. USF
5. SMU (They have the roster to win the league but I don't trust Jank)
6. Tulsa
7. Wichita
8. UCF (Would be shocked if Dawkins has them finishing higher)
9. ECU
10. Tulane
11. Temple (They needed to hire someone with no ties to the Dunphy era, imo)

Temple, as you predict, may finish last, though we will be competing with ECU and Tulane for that distinction. We are in a rebuild and this project may take some time. McKie will get his 4 years to build the program.

i think mckie will be fired before he turns it around

for being a known nba player his recruiting has been abysmal and he hasnt proven anything on a Xs and Os level. outside of being a fan favorite i dont see what he brings to the table that makes temple competitive.. even his staff are just people he knows he didnt search the globe for the best staff

my biggest issue with aaron mckie is the lack of urgency to win, almost every team in the league when they have a bad year or year way below expectations they make drastic changes to be more competitive the next year..
there is always extremely high roster turnovers on bottom half teams (heavy amount of juco and proven transfers to make a run, bringing in college minutes)

Temple just had a year that they drastically underachieved to expectations, and then made no major changes to be better the next year ..
a saying i used to say was that every preseason fans all 12 teams (w/uconn) believed they were all going to finish top 6, & there was a "realistic case for why".. this is the 1st year in like 4 years that we had a team where every realistic fan knows they likely arent finishing top 6

(10-27-2020 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  i think mckie will be fired before he turns it around

for being a known nba player his recruiting has been abysmal and he hasnt proven anything on a Xs and Os level. outside of being a fan favorite i dont see what he brings to the table that makes temple competitive.. even his staff are just people he knows he didnt search the globe for the best staff

my biggest issue with aaron mckie is the lack of urgency to win, almost every team in the league when they have a bad year or year way below expectations they make drastic changes to be more competitive the next year..
there is always extremely high roster turnovers on bottom half teams (heavy amount of juco and proven transfers to make a run, bringing in college minutes)

Temple just had a year that they drastically underachieved to expectations, and then made no major changes to be better the next year ..
a saying i used to say was that every preseason fans all 12 teams (w/uconn) believed they were all going to finish top 6, & there was a "realistic case for why".. this is the 1st year in like 4 years that we had a team where every realistic fan knows they likely arent finishing top 6

You may be right that McKie won’t work out. However, at Temple, he will get his 4 years to show what he can do either way.

(10-27-2020 04:18 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Honestly, it's better to fly under the radar early on than to have high hopes and then crash and burn. It makes the entire league look worse... because the rest of the league wasn't as good to begin with... then the best team wasn't any good so what does that make the other teams?

i dont think that is true at all.... is college sports having preseason expectations is the best path to post season success..becuase things like seedings and access to the playoffs/tournament are based around humans deciding based on perception...preseason expectations is meaningless to pros, as where you win is where you are seeded but it is everything in college

gonzaga has has the exact same type of rpi/net, exact same resume it was having 8-9 years ago as it does the last few years..8-9 years ago there were getting 6-9 seeds, on what are 1-3 seeds today becuase the gonzaga brand has set in..and in football it is said you need 2 years undefeated to have a shot at the playoff, even though each year is supposed to be sperate (1st year to get you preseason ranking the next year)

conference are also never hurt perception wise for individual teams flopping..it only an issue when its 4 or 5 at once like the pac ..texas flops every year, the big 12 is never hurt

it is never better to come in underrated in college sports, when you win as an underrated you devalue your top teams, not raise your profile..

(10-27-2020 05:39 PM)vick mike Wrote:  You may be right that McKie won’t work out. However, at Temple, he will get his 4 years to show what he can do either way.

if dunphy is still AD by then, you might be right.. if you get a permant AD before then, he might only get 3..

aaron mckie just finished 10th...projected to finish 10th again next year....no notable reason for drastic change in 2021, and out of scholarships ...

how long will a new AD sit by and watch your history rich program deteriorate that will be blamed on him..half the temple fans have already started turning on mckie its only been 1 year

(10-27-2020 04:28 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Better than the half-assed one CBS did. I at least got the impression that the ESPN guys had watched some league games. Nolley for POY is a great pick. CBS gave him no love. I think Scott, Yetna, and Gardner will also have a chance. Still upset no one picked Temple to finish last. Wichita at 5, given the noise around their program and the influx of newcomers, seems a bit high. Somewhere between 6-8 seems more likely. UH, Memphis, UC, and SMU is the safe bet for the top four, but I think USF has a good chance to beat someone out. Lot of returners, some potential impact players in the recruiting class, and they return Yetna. They'll probably be the most physically imposing team not named Memphis. Tulsa is sneaky too but I like USF as my sleeper pick.

1. UH (Because I'm a homer, genuinely surprised no one picked Memphis)
2. Memphis
3. UC
4. USF
5. SMU (They have the roster to win the league but I don't trust Jank)
6. Tulsa
7. Wichita
8. UCF (Would be shocked if Dawkins has them finishing higher)
9. ECU
10. Tulane
11. Temple (They needed to hire someone with no ties to the Dunphy era, imo)

I'm not surprised nobody picked Memphis. We did lose Player of the year in Precious Achiuwa. Not to mention all of the turmoil from last year. Houston is a seasoned veteran team who was right there last year.

(10-27-2020 07:26 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  I'm not surprised nobody picked Memphis. We did lose Player of the year in Precious Achiuwa. Not to mention all of the turmoil from last year. Houston is a seasoned veteran team who was right there last year.

True but yall are bringing in Nolley and Cisse so I think yall will be able to mitigate Precious' loss. If Fabian wasn't hurt, I'd be more confident in our chance to repeat but with him out and Harris gone, we've got major questions in the front court. We deserve to be in the conversation for sure, but if I wasn't a UH fan, I'm not sure I'd pick us, tbh.

Edit: Now one thing going against yall this year is the pandemic. If there aren't fans in the stands that might hurt yall's home court advantage some because yall normally draw the biggest crowds. It might be a non-issue but it'll definitely be something to watch.

(10-27-2020 01:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's out here flying under the radar again. I love it.

You won last year because you were under the radar. Not this year. Not in the AAC. They'll be a lot of Tulsa games circled on other AAC teams calendars this year. Book it.

Pardon me for being totally unimpressed with UCONN’s AAC stint. Maybe that’s because the one year they actually were good.... SMU owned them.

Great history at UCONN but they are done.

And yes... whatever is predicted for SMU you can drop two or three spots due to coach malpractice. It’s a great roster. It’s a shame.

(10-27-2020 07:37 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 07:26 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  I'm not surprised nobody picked Memphis. We did lose Player of the year in Precious Achiuwa. Not to mention all of the turmoil from last year. Houston is a seasoned veteran team who was right there last year.

True but yall are bringing in Nolley and Cisse so I think yall will be able to mitigate Precious' loss. If Fabian wasn't hurt, I'd be more confident in our chance to repeat but with him out and Harris gone, we've got major questions in the front court. We deserve to be in the conversation for sure, but if I wasn't a UH fan, I'm not sure I'd pick us, tbh.

Edit: Now one thing going against yall this year is the pandemic. If there aren't fans in the stands that might hurt yall's home court advantage some because yall normally draw the biggest crowds. It might be a non-issue but it'll definitely be something to watch.

You guys have a bunch of velociraptors. You deserve to be #1. We're coming after ya *****. haha. So is everyone else. Should be a great season.

(10-27-2020 08:42 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  Pardon me for being totally unimpressed with UCONN’s AAC stint. Maybe that’s because the one year they actually were good.... SMU owned them.

Great history at UCONN but they are done.

And yes... whatever is predicted for SMU you can drop two or three spots due to coach malpractice. It’s a great roster. It’s a shame.

Uconn won a natty in the AAC. Nobody else came close. Cmon...I mean cmon. They have a great program. Let's not get stupid because their football program wasn't that good. I'll be the first to say I'm really sad they left. If we're all together we should have figured out a way to keep them here. It's really sad they left.