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(10-20-2020 08:40 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  The sign of a good coach is he develops schemes based on his talent, this guy just runs whatever he has always run at several different stops, the 3-4. We don't have the speed to run that, it's like watching Chris ball all over again. I was very excited when he hired this guy, really hope he isn't here long, worst D we have had yet.

I hate saying this because we have some guys that are busting their ass and I love watching, like OB Goodson, but their coach puts them in tough situations.

Goodson is special. He's fun to watch.
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(10-19-2020 04:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020 04:28 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Let's keep it real. There wasn't a lot of effort put into the defense when Norvell was here. Defense has been plaguing us for years. Coach Silverfield will have to catch up

Yeah...

We haven't had a good defense since Odom left (Ranked 28th his last year)

Through 3 coaches...

Fuentes last year
Every Norvell year
and This year.

I thought the impact of losing Fuller would compare to losing Norvell or be even greater. We went from #89 in 2018 to #61 last year, and we would have continued to improve.
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(10-19-2020 04:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020 04:28 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Let's keep it real. There wasn't a lot of effort put into the defense when Norvell was here. Defense has been plaguing us for years. Coach Silverfield will have to catch up

Yeah...

We haven't had a good defense since Odom left (Ranked 28th his last year)

Through 3 coaches...

Fuentes last year
Every Norvell year
and This year.

I believe Fuller is a good coach. Had he been here 3 years, you would see a solid unit.

My fear is that McCarthy gets the HC bug as soon as the Colorado severance run out (2021 I think). Then we're back to looking for our 4th DC in 5 years.
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MacIntyre will be fine. Look around the country this year and defenses are struggling everywhere.

Need to remember it's a new defensive system and one where there was little to no spring practice to install and learn/practice the new system.

Another thing we won't see another offense like UCF the rest of the regular season.
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(10-20-2020 11:54 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  MacIntyre will be fine. Look around the country this year and defenses are struggling everywhere.

Need to remember it's a new defensive system and one where there was little to no spring practice to install and learn/practice the new system.

Another thing we won't see another offense like UCF the rest of the regular season.

We should match up pretty well against Cincinnati. Obviously we will match up better against everyone better than we did against UCF. Cincinnati isn't going to pile up a lot of points and we should be able to score against them just because we score on everyone.

It is extremely important to put Temple away early and to avoid injuries. We can't afford to get into a slugfest that is decided in the final minutes.
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(10-19-2020 09:40 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-18-2020 09:58 PM)Keeper Wrote:  I repeat the players have talent, speed, and the give effort. It is the coaches job to put them in position to make plays. If the coaches have them out of position because of scheme or play calling it is on them and not the players. So far the DC hasn't coached up to his reputation.

I don't think they are just overly talented.

That is why small mistakes end up in such huge plays. They have to mentally know where to be ahead of time.

This is also why Hall made so many plays...He wasn't the most athletic...But he anticipated where he needed to be.

the coach calls the plays, if a player is out of position by doing what the coach told him to do and not by mistake, whose fault is it that the defense is so porous?
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(10-20-2020 08:40 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  The sign of a good coach is he develops schemes based on his talent, this guy just runs whatever he has always run at several different stops, the 3-4. We don't have the speed to run that, it's like watching Chris ball all over again. I was very excited when he hired this guy, really hope he isn't here long, worst D we have had yet.

I hate saying this because we have some guys that are busting their ass and I love watching, like OB Goodson, but their coach puts them in tough situations.

You are correct, sir.
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(10-20-2020 07:24 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(10-19-2020 09:40 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-18-2020 09:58 PM)Keeper Wrote:  I repeat the players have talent, speed, and the give effort. It is the coaches job to put them in position to make plays. If the coaches have them out of position because of scheme or play calling it is on them and not the players. So far the DC hasn't coached up to his reputation.

I don't think they are just overly talented.

That is why small mistakes end up in such huge plays. They have to mentally know where to be ahead of time.

This is also why Hall made so many plays...He wasn't the most athletic...But he anticipated where he needed to be.

the coach calls the plays, if a player is out of position by doing what the coach told him to do and not by mistake, whose fault is it that the defense is so porous?

I think it is the coaches fault if players continuously make mistakes or if the coach calls the wrong plays.

There are going to be situations when you are just outclassed (Penn State) when you really cant do anything to stop the other team...But that rarely occurs.
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(10-20-2020 11:08 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 08:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 07:27 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 08:59 AM)gusrob Wrote:  They should have focused on football some this summer. When the focus is on color of skin, covid, and politics you get what you get. Luckily we have more talent than our opponents.

Maybe if cops stopped murdering unarmed black citizens we could all be as focused as you are.

IKR, what's wrong with those racist cops? If I ever get stopped by the cops, here is a list of things I will do.

1. Not listen to them
2. Fight with them
3. Reach for one of their weapons
4. If I can't reach one of their weapons, get one of my own
5. Run away
6. Bonus points if my kids are in the car when I'm reaching for my weapon

I hate it when I'm trying to mind my own business trying to pass counterfeit cash, violating a restraining order, or falling asleep drunk in a drive thru lane and the cops bug me for no reason.
Yeah... cause I know the police have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner by taking a Black life cause All Lives Matter.

What are their names? Breonna Taylor. What she was doing? Asleep at home.
Alatianna Jefferson/ At home.
Aura Rosser/ At home
Stephon Clark/ Standing in his grandmother's backyard.
Botham Jean/ Seated on his sofa at home, eating ice cream.
Philando Castille/ Pulled over for a traffic stop.
Alton Sterling/ Selling CDs and DVDs
Michelle Cusseaux/ At home.
Freddie Gray/ In a police van.
Tanisha Fonville/ At home.
Eric Garner/ Allegedly selling loose cigarettes.
Akai Gurley/ Walking down the stairs in the building where he lived.
Gabriella Nevarez/ Driving
Tamir Rice/ Playing with a toy gun in the park.
Michael Brown/ Walking with a friend.
Tanisha Anderson/ Family called 911 for help because Tanisha, who is bi-polar, was restless and trying to leave the house.
Rashard Brooks/ Fell asleep in his car, blocking the drive-through lane at a fast food restaurant.
Daniel Prude/ He had run on to the street, naked, while experiencing a 'mental health episode'.
George Floyd/ Allegedly tried to use a counterfeit $20 dollar bill.
There are many, many more.

Manipulators begin to dehumanize and vilify a particular group with otherizing language, with more stereotypes, with phony statistics and manufactured stories and edited fake news; all while painting the picture of human beings they begin to see as less than human.

Sounds familiar? It was Nazi Germany who did the same thing before the holocaust. Yet, understand this has all been foretold and nothing can stop the retribution.

Atatianna Dean
Quote:Police body camera footage showed that when she came to her window to observe police outside her home, Officer Aaron Dean shot through it and killed her.[2] Police stated that they found a handgun near her body, which according to her 8-year-old nephew, she was pointing toward the window before being shot

Aura Rosser
Quote:Late one evening in November 2014, Ann Arbor police officers were summoned to the home of Aura Rosser, a 40-year-old African American woman. According to police, she had been engaged in a protracted argument with her boyfriend, and when two officers entered the house, Ms. Rosser approached them with a knife.

Stephon Clark
Quote:Stephon Clark, a 22-year-old African-American man, was shot and killed in Meadowview, Sacramento, California by Terrence Mercadal and Jared Robinet, two officers of the Sacramento Police Department in the backyard of his grandmother's house while he had a phone in his hand, officers believed he had been pointing a gun at them. On March 16, a neighbor called the police to report on behalf of Salena Mohamed Manni, the mother of Clark’s child, to report that the two had been arguing and the argument had turned violent. When police arrived at their apartment, Clark was not present, but officers found Manni with extensive injuries to her face and a hole in the wall of the apartment. Clark, on probation from two domestic violence convictions and one conviction of assault with a deadly weapon, evaded police in the days leading up to the shooting. According to the investigation, Clark had searched online for ways to commit suicide.

Botham Jean
Quote:On September 6, 2018, off-duty Dallas Police Department patrol officer Amber Guyger entered the Dallas, Texas, apartment of 26-year-old accountant Botham Jean and fatally shot him. Guyger said that she had entered the apartment believing it was her own and that she shot Jean believing he was a burglar. Obviously not racially motivated and she was convicted and got 10 years.

Philando Castille
Quote:Shot by Jeronimo Yanez who is Hispanic, so at best it wasn't racially motivated, and at worst, he wasn't killed by a white person. In a press briefing at the scene, St. Anthony's interim police chief Jon Mangseth said that the shooting was the first officer-involved shooting that the department had experienced in at least thirty years.

Alton Sterling
Quote:Alton Sterling, a 37-year-old black man, was shot dead at close range by two Baton Rouge Police Department officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The officers were attempting to control Sterling's arms, and Sterling was shot by them while allegedly reaching for the loaded handgun in his pants pocket. Police were responding to a report that a man in a red shirt was selling CDs and that he had used a gun to threaten a man outside a convenience store

Michelle Cusseaux
Quote:Police were called to the apartment Michelle Cusseaux was renting after she threatened to kill mental health workers. When confronted by officers Cusseaux reportedly grabbed a hammer and raised it above her head. Sergeant Dupra then opened fire killing Cusseaux.

Freddie Gray
Quote:3 of the 6 officers are black, including a black woman.

Tanisha Fonville
Quote:"Officers went inside the apartment to speak with the female who was armed with a knife," according to the release. "After being ordered several times to drop the knife, the female refused their commands and lunged at the officers."

Eric Garner
Quote:Murdered by police, but even in this case the circumstances weren't clear cut.
He had been arrested over 30 times, and asthma, heart disease, and obesity were cited as contributing factors.

Akai Gurley
Quote:The cop who shot Gurley was Asian. He said that the stairway was pitch black (the light was broken) and that he was startled by a noise and his gun went off by accident. Police say that Gurley was an innocent victim.

Gabriela Nevarez
Quote:Gabriella and her grandmother were in a heated discussion and after this discussion she took her grandmothers car and that’s when her grandmother called the police. Citrus Heights Police said they received a call for a stolen vehicle and tracked the car.

Police said Nevarez evaded them by ramming one patrol car then speeding away at over 70 miles per hour, and occasionally traveling on the wrong side of the road. Police said they opened fire on Nevarez after she rammed another patrol car.

Tamir Rice
Quote:Two officers, Loehmann and 46-year-old Frank Garmback, were responding to a police dispatch call regarding a male who had a gun. A caller reported that a male was pointing "a pistol" at random people at the Cudell Recreation Center, a park in the City of Cleveland's Public Works Department. At the beginning of the call and again in the middle, he says of the pistol "it's probably fake. Toward the end of the two-minute call, the caller states that "he is probably a juvenile"; however, this information was not relayed to officers Loehmann and Garmback on the initial dispatch. The officers reported that upon their arrival, they both continuously yelled "show me your hands" through the open patrol car window. Loehmann further stated that instead of showing his hands, it appeared as if Rice was trying to draw: "I knew it was a gun and I knew it was coming out.

Michael Brown
Quote:Wilson said that an altercation ensued when Brown attacked Wilson in his police vehicle for control of Wilson's gun until it was fired. Johnson said that Wilson initiated a confrontation by grabbing Brown by the neck through his car window, threatening him and then shooting at him. At this point, both Wilson and Johnson state that Brown and Johnson fled, with Wilson pursuing Brown shortly thereafter. Wilson stated that Brown stopped and charged him after a short pursuit. Johnson contradicted this account, stating that Brown turned around with his hands raised after Wilson shot at his back. According to Johnson, Wilson then shot Brown multiple times until Brown fell to the ground. In the entire altercation, Wilson fired a total of twelve bullets, including twice during the struggle in the car; the last was probably the fatal shot. Brown was struck six times, all in the front of his body

Tanisha Anderson
Quote:A complete mess, at least partially due to police not being properly equipped to handle cases involving mental illness. Montgomery County Corner Dr. Kent Harshbarger was asked to review the autopsy and make a ruling on Anderson's death.

Harshbarger, according to the attorney general, found that she died from a "cardiac event." He found that one of Anderson's arteries was 70 to 80 percent closed and another was 50 percent closed. Anderson suffered from heart disease and was taking prescription medication -- Resperidol/risperidone-- that increased her risk of a heart attack.

Rayshard Brooks
Quote:Enough has been said about this piece of ****. Domestic abuser, child abuse, false imprisonment, fights with police, steals their taser and tries to shoot them. The Fulton County DA; piece of **** Paul Howard says that Brooks was cordial and cooperative.

Daniel Prude
Quote:Horrible.

George Floyd
Quote:Minnesota Attorney General, Keith Ellison hid the original video for 3 months, which shows Floyd high as a kite, refusing to get in the police car, AND saying that he couldn't breathe even when nothing was obstructing his breathing. Floyd shouldn't have died, but it is noteworthy, that this is the piece of **** that pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during a home invasion. Does Keith Ellison's name sound familiar? It should. He is a democrat accused of domestic abuse by two women; conveniently ignored by democrats.

You managed to leave Elijah McClain off of your list. That is the one case that was truly horrible; truly heartbreaking.

The bottom line is that we all know what we are dealing with. You are a typical of trash that make arguments consisting entirely of "selling CDs and DVDs, leaving out minor details about threatening people with a gun and reaching for a gun. You leave out all the details about weapons, violent threats, reaching for cops' weapons, fighting with cops, resisting arrest, cops that are Black, Hispanic or Asian being involved, literally everything important. In at least 15 of your 18 cases you can argue either that the reaction was justified, or it had nothing to do with race, or both.

And through all that, you don't give a crap about the thousands of kids murdered, the tens of thousand of blacks killed by blacks.
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I'm still hoping that MacIntyre opts out.
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(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)micman Wrote:  I'm still hoping that MacIntyre opts out.

It's a weird deal. When you have a new DC, new players, you barely practice and you are playing teams that haven't had interruptions, it isn't easy to overcome. I can't believe how good the offense was without Gainwell and Coxie. Carter hasn't been great, but for sure he is much better than the defensive back at the bottom of the depth chart that played in his place.

We can't get worse.
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(10-21-2020 12:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)micman Wrote:  I'm still hoping that MacIntyre opts out.

It's a weird deal. When you have a new DC, new players, you barely practice and you are playing teams that haven't had interruptions, it isn't easy to overcome. I can't believe how good the offense was without Gainwell and Coxie. Carter hasn't been great, but for sure he is much better than the defensive back at the bottom of the depth chart that played in his place.

We can't get worse.

Yet we just beat a team that has had our number for the last 30 years.
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(10-21-2020 12:44 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(10-21-2020 12:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)micman Wrote:  I'm still hoping that MacIntyre opts out.

It's a weird deal. When you have a new DC, new players, you barely practice and you are playing teams that haven't had interruptions, it isn't easy to overcome. I can't believe how good the offense was without Gainwell and Coxie. Carter hasn't been great, but for sure he is much better than the defensive back at the bottom of the depth chart that played in his place.

We can't get worse.

Yet we just beat a team that has had our number for the last 30 years.

We gave up (3) touchdowns of over 40 yards where the DBs and the Safety's didn't know their responsibilities; including a 93-yard touchdown on a similar play to one that they had run all game long and was obviously a normal part of their offense that should have been well scouted, prepared for, and practiced against for a significant portion of the 2 weeks they had to prepare for this game.

That is coaching. 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5, 3-3-5, whatever. If the scheme is too complex and the team is struggling, it is the coach's job to adjust. You can be the greatest sports mind in the world, but if you can't communicate it in a way that gets the players to execute it, it counts for nothing.
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(10-21-2020 11:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 11:08 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 08:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 07:27 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 08:59 AM)gusrob Wrote:  They should have focused on football some this summer. When the focus is on color of skin, covid, and politics you get what you get. Luckily we have more talent than our opponents.

Maybe if cops stopped murdering unarmed black citizens we could all be as focused as you are.

IKR, what's wrong with those racist cops? If I ever get stopped by the cops, here is a list of things I will do.

1. Not listen to them
2. Fight with them
3. Reach for one of their weapons
4. If I can't reach one of their weapons, get one of my own
5. Run away
6. Bonus points if my kids are in the car when I'm reaching for my weapon

I hate it when I'm trying to mind my own business trying to pass counterfeit cash, violating a restraining order, or falling asleep drunk in a drive thru lane and the cops bug me for no reason.
Yeah... cause I know the police have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner by taking a Black life cause All Lives Matter.

What are their names? Breonna Taylor. What she was doing? Asleep at home.
Alatianna Jefferson/ At home.
Aura Rosser/ At home
Stephon Clark/ Standing in his grandmother's backyard.
Botham Jean/ Seated on his sofa at home, eating ice cream.
Philando Castille/ Pulled over for a traffic stop.
Alton Sterling/ Selling CDs and DVDs
Michelle Cusseaux/ At home.
Freddie Gray/ In a police van.
Tanisha Fonville/ At home.
Eric Garner/ Allegedly selling loose cigarettes.
Akai Gurley/ Walking down the stairs in the building where he lived.
Gabriella Nevarez/ Driving
Tamir Rice/ Playing with a toy gun in the park.
Michael Brown/ Walking with a friend.
Tanisha Anderson/ Family called 911 for help because Tanisha, who is bi-polar, was restless and trying to leave the house.
Rashard Brooks/ Fell asleep in his car, blocking the drive-through lane at a fast food restaurant.
Daniel Prude/ He had run on to the street, naked, while experiencing a 'mental health episode'.
George Floyd/ Allegedly tried to use a counterfeit $20 dollar bill.
There are many, many more.

Manipulators begin to dehumanize and vilify a particular group with otherizing language, with more stereotypes, with phony statistics and manufactured stories and edited fake news; all while painting the picture of human beings they begin to see as less than human.

Sounds familiar? It was Nazi Germany who did the same thing before the holocaust. Yet, understand this has all been foretold and nothing can stop the retribution.

Atatianna Dean
Quote:Police body camera footage showed that when she came to her window to observe police outside her home, Officer Aaron Dean shot through it and killed her.[2] Police stated that they found a handgun near her body, which according to her 8-year-old nephew, she was pointing toward the window before being shot

Aura Rosser
Quote:Late one evening in November 2014, Ann Arbor police officers were summoned to the home of Aura Rosser, a 40-year-old African American woman. According to police, she had been engaged in a protracted argument with her boyfriend, and when two officers entered the house, Ms. Rosser approached them with a knife.

Stephon Clark
Quote:Stephon Clark, a 22-year-old African-American man, was shot and killed in Meadowview, Sacramento, California by Terrence Mercadal and Jared Robinet, two officers of the Sacramento Police Department in the backyard of his grandmother's house while he had a phone in his hand, officers believed he had been pointing a gun at them. On March 16, a neighbor called the police to report on behalf of Salena Mohamed Manni, the mother of Clark’s child, to report that the two had been arguing and the argument had turned violent. When police arrived at their apartment, Clark was not present, but officers found Manni with extensive injuries to her face and a hole in the wall of the apartment. Clark, on probation from two domestic violence convictions and one conviction of assault with a deadly weapon, evaded police in the days leading up to the shooting. According to the investigation, Clark had searched online for ways to commit suicide.

Botham Jean
Quote:On September 6, 2018, off-duty Dallas Police Department patrol officer Amber Guyger entered the Dallas, Texas, apartment of 26-year-old accountant Botham Jean and fatally shot him. Guyger said that she had entered the apartment believing it was her own and that she shot Jean believing he was a burglar. Obviously not racially motivated and she was convicted and got 10 years.

Philando Castille
Quote:Shot by Jeronimo Yanez who is Hispanic, so at best it wasn't racially motivated, and at worst, he wasn't killed by a white person. In a press briefing at the scene, St. Anthony's interim police chief Jon Mangseth said that the shooting was the first officer-involved shooting that the department had experienced in at least thirty years.

Alton Sterling
Quote:Alton Sterling, a 37-year-old black man, was shot dead at close range by two Baton Rouge Police Department officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The officers were attempting to control Sterling's arms, and Sterling was shot by them while allegedly reaching for the loaded handgun in his pants pocket. Police were responding to a report that a man in a red shirt was selling CDs and that he had used a gun to threaten a man outside a convenience store

Michelle Cusseaux
Quote:Police were called to the apartment Michelle Cusseaux was renting after she threatened to kill mental health workers. When confronted by officers Cusseaux reportedly grabbed a hammer and raised it above her head. Sergeant Dupra then opened fire killing Cusseaux.

Freddie Gray
Quote:3 of the 6 officers are black, including a black woman.

Tanisha Fonville
Quote:"Officers went inside the apartment to speak with the female who was armed with a knife," according to the release. "After being ordered several times to drop the knife, the female refused their commands and lunged at the officers."

Eric Garner
Quote:Murdered by police, but even in this case the circumstances weren't clear cut.
He had been arrested over 30 times, and asthma, heart disease, and obesity were cited as contributing factors.

Akai Gurley
Quote:The cop who shot Gurley was Asian. He said that the stairway was pitch black (the light was broken) and that he was startled by a noise and his gun went off by accident. Police say that Gurley was an innocent victim.

Gabriela Nevarez
Quote:Gabriella and her grandmother were in a heated discussion and after this discussion she took her grandmothers car and that’s when her grandmother called the police. Citrus Heights Police said they received a call for a stolen vehicle and tracked the car.

Police said Nevarez evaded them by ramming one patrol car then speeding away at over 70 miles per hour, and occasionally traveling on the wrong side of the road. Police said they opened fire on Nevarez after she rammed another patrol car.

Tamir Rice
Quote:Two officers, Loehmann and 46-year-old Frank Garmback, were responding to a police dispatch call regarding a male who had a gun. A caller reported that a male was pointing "a pistol" at random people at the Cudell Recreation Center, a park in the City of Cleveland's Public Works Department. At the beginning of the call and again in the middle, he says of the pistol "it's probably fake. Toward the end of the two-minute call, the caller states that "he is probably a juvenile"; however, this information was not relayed to officers Loehmann and Garmback on the initial dispatch. The officers reported that upon their arrival, they both continuously yelled "show me your hands" through the open patrol car window. Loehmann further stated that instead of showing his hands, it appeared as if Rice was trying to draw: "I knew it was a gun and I knew it was coming out.

Michael Brown
Quote:Wilson said that an altercation ensued when Brown attacked Wilson in his police vehicle for control of Wilson's gun until it was fired. Johnson said that Wilson initiated a confrontation by grabbing Brown by the neck through his car window, threatening him and then shooting at him. At this point, both Wilson and Johnson state that Brown and Johnson fled, with Wilson pursuing Brown shortly thereafter. Wilson stated that Brown stopped and charged him after a short pursuit. Johnson contradicted this account, stating that Brown turned around with his hands raised after Wilson shot at his back. According to Johnson, Wilson then shot Brown multiple times until Brown fell to the ground. In the entire altercation, Wilson fired a total of twelve bullets, including twice during the struggle in the car; the last was probably the fatal shot. Brown was struck six times, all in the front of his body

Tanisha Anderson
Quote:A complete mess, at least partially due to police not being properly equipped to handle cases involving mental illness. Montgomery County Corner Dr. Kent Harshbarger was asked to review the autopsy and make a ruling on Anderson's death.

Harshbarger, according to the attorney general, found that she died from a "cardiac event." He found that one of Anderson's arteries was 70 to 80 percent closed and another was 50 percent closed. Anderson suffered from heart disease and was taking prescription medication -- Resperidol/risperidone-- that increased her risk of a heart attack.

Rayshard Brooks
Quote:Enough has been said about this piece of ****. Domestic abuser, child abuse, false imprisonment, fights with police, steals their taser and tries to shoot them. The Fulton County DA; piece of **** Paul Howard says that Brooks was cordial and cooperative.

Daniel Prude
Quote:Horrible.

George Floyd
Quote:Minnesota Attorney General, Keith Ellison hid the original video for 3 months, which shows Floyd high as a kite, refusing to get in the police car, AND saying that he couldn't breathe even when nothing was obstructing his breathing. Floyd shouldn't have died, but it is noteworthy, that this is the piece of **** that pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during a home invasion. Does Keith Ellison's name sound familiar? It should. He is a democrat accused of domestic abuse by two women; conveniently ignored by democrats.

You managed to leave Elijah McClain off of your list. That is the one case that was truly horrible; truly heartbreaking.

The bottom line is that we all know what we are dealing with. You are a typical of trash that make arguments consisting entirely of "selling CDs and DVDs, leaving out minor details about threatening people with a gun and reaching for a gun. You leave out all the details about weapons, violent threats, reaching for cops' weapons, fighting with cops, resisting arrest, cops that are Black, Hispanic or Asian being involved, literally everything important. In at least 15 of your 18 cases you can argue either that the reaction was justified, or it had nothing to do with race, or both.

And through all that, you don't give a crap about the thousands of kids murdered, the tens of thousand of blacks killed by blacks.
Where is your humanity? I am not fooled by your deflections. This is typical of your ilk. Let's deal with your accusations of Blacks not caring about Black lives being taken away outside of the police scope. Black people care about those innocent lives too and actually do talk about it... all the time.

The reality is, in neighborhoods and cities across America, there are countless organizations, activists and movements dedicated to curbing violence in black communities. The number of “Stop the Violence” marches dwarfs the demonstrations against police brutality. Unity rallies and peace picnics happen every day. Scared Straight programs for at-risk youths, gang counseling, neighborhood watches, intervention specialists, youth counselors, and too many other people and groups to name all lead the charge against crime and violence.

But those efforts don’t make the evening news because they aren’t as salacious as people blocking traffic and protesting; nor do they serve the preconceived self serving confirmation biases. Besides, there’s no way that uncaring people would know about this unless they stopped deflecting with trite questions and instead actually went into a minority neighborhood to selflessly join the effort to address the problems.

I could go on to educate you but you have bought in to fear mongering and really what's the use Esau? Jacob is your enemy.
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Esau[a] in the Hebrew Bible, is the older son of Isaac. He is mentioned in the Book of Genesis,[3] and by the prophets Obadiah[4] and Malachi.[5] The New Testament alludes to him in the Epistle to the Romans[6] and in the Epistle to the Hebrews.[7]

According to the Hebrew Bible, Esau is the progenitor of the Edomites and the elder brother of Jacob, the patriarch of the Israelites.[8] Esau and Jacob were the sons of Isaac and Rebekah, and the grandsons of Abraham and Sarah. Of the twins, Esau was the first to be born with Jacob following, holding his heel. Isaac was sixty years old when the boys were born.

Esau, a "man of the field", became a hunter[1] who had "rough"[2] qualities that distinguished him from his twin brother. Among these qualities were his redness and noticeable hairiness.[9] Jacob was a plain or simple man, depending on the translation of the Hebrew word tam (which also means "relatively perfect man"). Jacob's color was not mentioned.[8] Throughout Genesis, Esau is frequently shown as being supplanted by his younger twin, Jacob (Israel).[10]

In Genesis
Birth
Genesis 25:25 narrates Esau's birth, "Now the first came forth red, all over like a hairy garment; and they named him Esau."[11] The meaning of the word esau is disputed. It could be related to the Arabic root ġšw, meaning "to cover".[12] Others have noted the similarity to Arabic ’athaa (عثا) meaning "hirsute".[13] In Hebrew, the word "hairy" (Heb: se’ir) is a wordplay on Seir,[10] the region in which he settled after being 40 years of age. The name Edom is also attributed to Esau, meaning "red" (Heb: `admoni);[10] the same color used to describe Esau's skin tone.[14] Genesis parallels his redness to the "red lentil pottage" that he sold his birthright for.[15][1] Esau became the progenitor of the Edomites in Seir.

Birthright

Esau and Jacob Presented to Isaac (painting circa 1779–1801 by Benjamin West)
In Genesis, Esau returned to his twin brother Jacob, famished from the fields. He begs Jacob to give him some "red pottage" (a play on his nickname, Hebrew: אדום‎`Edom, meaning "red".) This refers to his red hair.[16] Jacob offers Esau a bowl of lentil stew[b] in exchange for Esau's birthright (Hebrew: בְּכֹרָה‎ bəḵōrāh, the right to be recognized as firstborn son with authority over the family), and Esau agrees. Thus Jacob acquires Esau's birthright. This is the origin of the English phrase "for a mess of pottage".

In Genesis 27:1–40, Jacob uses deception, motivated by his mother Rebecca, to lay claim to his blind father Isaac's blessing that was inherently due to the firstborn, Esau.

In Genesis 27:5–7, Rebecca is listening while Isaac speaks to his son Esau. When Esau goes to the field to hunt for venison to bring home, Rebekah says to her son Jacob, "Behold, I heard thy father speak to thy brother Esau, saying: 'Bring me venison and prepare a savoury food, that I may eat, and bless thee before the Lord before my death.'" Rebecca then instructs Jacob in an elaborate deception through which Jacob pretends to be Esau, in order to steal from Esau his blessing from Isaac and his inheritance—which in theory Esau had already agreed to give to Jacob. Jacob follows through with the plan to steal his brother's birthright by bringing the meal his father Isaac requested and pretending to be Esau. Jacob pulled off his disguise by covering himself in hairy lamb skin so that when his blind father went to touch him, his smooth skin did not give him away as an imposter of his hairy brother. Jacob successfully received his father Isaac's blessing. As a result, Jacob becomes the spiritual leader of the family after Isaac's death and the heir of the promises of Abraham (Genesis 27:37).

When Esau learns of his brother's thievery, he is livid and begs his father to undo the blessing. Isaac responds to his eldest son's plea by saying that he only had one blessing to give and that he could not reverse the sacred blessing. Esau is furious and vows to kill Jacob (Genesis 27:41). Once again Rebecca intervenes to save her younger son from being murdered by his elder twin brother, Esau.

Therefore, at Rebecca's urging, Jacob flees to a distant land to work for his uncle Laban (Genesis 28:5). Jacob does not immediately receive his father's inheritance after the impersonation aimed at taking it from Esau. Having fled for his life, Jacob has left the wealth of Isaac's flocks, land and tents in Esau's hands. Jacob is forced to sleep out on the open ground and then work for wages as a servant in Laban's household. Jacob, who had deceived and cheated his brother, is in turn deceived and cheated by his uncle. Jacob asks to marry Laban's daughter Rachel, whom he has met at the well, and Laban agrees, if Jacob will give him seven years of service. Jacob does so, but after the wedding finds that beneath the veil is not Rachel but Leah, Laban's elder daughter. He agrees to work another seven years and Jacob and Rachel are finally wed. However, despite Laban, Jacob eventually becomes so rich as to incite the envy of Laban and Laban's sons.


Francesco Hayez: Esau and Jacob reconcile (1844)
Genesis 32–33 tells of Jacob's and Esau's eventual reconciliation. Jacob sends multiple waves of gifts to Esau as they approach each other, hoping that Esau will spare his life. Esau refuses the gifts, as he is now very wealthy and does not need them. Jacob never apologizes to Esau for his actions; Jacob nevertheless bows down before Esau and insists on his receiving the gifts. Esau shows forgiveness in spite of this bitter conflict. (After this, God confirms his renaming of Jacob as "Israel".)

Jacob's deception
Genesis Chapter 27 verse 16 of the King James Version Bible: "And she put the skins of the kids of the goats upon his hands and upon the smooth of his neck:" Verse 19: "And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn; I have done according as thou badest me: arise, I pray thee, sit and eat of my venison, that thy soul may bless me." Verse 22-23: "And Jacob went near unto Isaac his father; and he felt him, and said, The voice is Jacob's voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau. And he discerned him not, because his hands were hairy, as his brother Esau's hands: so he blessed him."

Family
Genesis 26:34–35 describes Esau's marriage at the age of forty to two Canaanite women: Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Basemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite. This arrangement grieved his parents.[17] Upon seeing that his brother was blessed and that their father rejected Esau's union to Canaanites, Esau went to the house of his uncle Ishmael and married his cousin,[18] Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, and sister of Nebajoth. Esau's family is again revisited in Genesis 36, this passage names two Canaanite wives; Adah, the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah, the daughter of Anah, daughter of Zibeon the Hivite, and a third: Bashemath, Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth. Some scholars equate the three wives mentioned in Genesis 26 and 28 with those in Genesis 36.[19][20] Casting his lot with the Ishmaelites, he was able to drive the Horites out of Mount Seir to settle in that region.[1] According to some views Esau is considered to be the progenitor not only of the Edomites but of the Kenizzites and the Amalekites as well.[21][22]

Esau had five sons:[23]

By Adah: Eliphaz
By Aholibamah: Jeush, Jaalam, Korah
By Bashemath: Reuel
Family tree
Family of Esau
Terah
Sarah Abraham Hagar Haran
Nahor
Ishmael Milcah Lot Iscah
Ishmaelites 7 sons[24] Bethuel 1st daughter 2nd daughter
Isaac Rebecca Laban Moabites Ammonites
Jacob Rachel
Bilhah
Zilpah
Leah
1. Reuben
2. Simeon
3. Levi
4. Judah
9. Issachar
10. Zebulun
11. Dinah 7. Gad
8. Asher 5. Dan
6. Naphtali 12. Joseph
13. Benjamin
Esau Adah
Aholibamah
Mahalath/ Basemath
Reuel, Nahath, Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah Jeush Jaalam Korah Eliphaz
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Minor prophet references
Esau was also known as Edom, the progenitor of the Edomites who were established to the south of the Israelites. They were an enemy nation of Israel.[25] The minor prophets, such as Obadiah, claim that the Edomites participated in the destruction of the First Temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 587 BC. Exactly how the Edomites participated is not clear. Psalm 137 ("By the waters of Babylon") suggests merely that Edom had encouraged the Babylonians: The Lord is asked to "remember against the Edomites the day of Jerusalem, how they said 'raze it, raze it to its foundations'".[26] But the prophecy of Obadiah insists on the literal "violence done" by Esau "unto your brother Jacob" when the Edomites "entered the gate of my people..., looted his goods..., stood at the parting of the ways to cut off the fugitive,... delivered up his survivors on his day of distress".[27]

By the intertestamental period, Edom had replaced Babylon as the nation that actually burned the Temple ("Thou hast also vowed to build thy temple, which the Edomites burned when Judah was laid waste by the Chaldees"[28]).

New Testament references
Hebrews 12:15–16 depicts Esau as unspiritual for thoughtlessly throwing away his birthright. Romans 9:13 states "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated," based upon Malachi 1:2–3 although this passage goes on to depict the nations of Israel (Jacob) and Edom (Esau).

Rabbinic Jewish sources
The Targum Pseudo-Jonathan connects the name Esau to the Hebrew asah, stating, "because he was born fully completed, with hair of the head, beard, teeth, and molars."[29] Other traditional sources connect the word with the Hebrew šāv` (Hebrew: שָׁוְא‎) meaning "worthless."[30]

Jewish commentaries have shed a negative view on Esau because of his rivalry with Jacob. The Midrash says that during Rebekah's pregnancy whenever she would pass a house of Torah study, Jacob would struggle to come out; whenever she would pass a house of idolatry, Esau would agitate to come out.[31]

He is considered to be a rebellious son who kept a double life until he was 15, when he sold his birthright to Jacob. According to the Talmud, the sale of the birthright took place immediately after Abraham died.[32] The Talmudic dating would give both Esau and Jacob an age of 15 at the time. The lentils Jacob was cooking were meant for his father Isaac, because lentils are the traditional mourner's meal for Jews. On that day before returning, in a rage over the death of Abraham, Esau committed five sins; he raped a betrothed young woman, he committed murder (Nimrod), he denied God, he denied the resurrection of the dead, and he spurned his birthright.[33]

Haman's lineage is given in the Targum Sheni as follows: "Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, son of Srach, son of Buza, son of Iphlotas, son of Dyosef, son of Dyosim, son of Prome, son of Ma'dei, son of Bla'akan, son of Intimros, son of Haridom, son of Sh'gar, son of Nigar, son of Farmashta, son of Vayezatha, (son of Agag, son of Sumkei,) son of Amalek, son of the concubine of Eliphaz, firstborn son of Esau".

According to Rashi, Isaac, when blessing Jacob in Esau's place, smelled the heavenly scent of Gan Eden (Paradise) when Jacob entered his room and, in contrast, perceived Gehenna opening beneath Esau when the latter entered the room, showing him that he had been deceived all along by Esau's show of piety.[34]

Death

Esau Selling His Birthright by Hendrick ter Brugghen c. 1627
According to the Babylonian Talmud, Esau was killed by Hushim, son of Dan, son of Jacob, because Esau obstructed the burial of Jacob into the cave of Machpelah. When Jacob was brought to be buried in the cave, Esau prevented the burial, claiming he had the right to be buried in the cave; after some negotiation Naphtali was sent to Egypt to retrieve the document stating Esau sold his part in the cave to Jacob. Hushim (who was hard of hearing) did not understand what was going on, and why his grandfather was not being buried, so he asked for an explanation; after being given one he became angry and said: "Is my grandfather to lie there in contempt until Naphtali returns from the land of Egypt?" He then took a club and killed Esau, and Esau's head rolled into the cave.[35] This means that the head of Esau is also buried in the cave.

Jewish sources state that Esau sold his right to be buried in the cave. According to Shemot Rabbah, Jacob gave all his possessions to acquire a tomb in the Cave of the Patriarchs. He put a large pile of gold and silver before Esau and asked, “My brother, do you prefer your portion of this cave, or all this gold and silver?”[36] Esau's selling to Jacob his right to be buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs is also recorded in Sefer HaYashar.[37]

Jubilees
In the Book of Jubilees, Esau's father, Isaac, compels Esau to swear not to attack or kill Jacob after Isaac has died. However, after the death of Isaac, the sons of Esau convince their father to lead them, and hired mercenaries, against Jacob in order to kill Jacob and his family and seize their wealth (especially the portion of Isaac's wealth that Isaac had left to Jacob upon his death). "Then Ya'aqov bent his bow and sent forth the arrow and struck Esau, his brother on his right breast and slew him (Jubilees 38:2) . . . Ya'aqov buried his brother on the hill which is in Aduram, and he returned to his house (Jubilees 38:9b)." [38]

Reputed grave on the West Bank
South of the Palestinian town of Sa'ir on the West Bank there is a tomb reputed to be that of Esau – El 'Ais in his Arab name.

The PEF's Survey of Western Palestine (SWP), wrote that: "The tomb is in a chamber 37 feet east and west by 20 feet north and south, with a Mihrab on the south wall. The tomb is 12 feet long, 3 1/2 feet broad, 5 feet high, covered with a dark green cloth and a canopy above. An ostrich egg is hung near. North of the chamber is a vaulted room of equal size, and to the east is an open court with a fig-tree, and a second cenotaph rudely plastered, said to be that of Esau's slave. Rock-cut tombs exist south-west of this place."[39]

The SWP stated this identification was false and that Esau's tomb was in the Biblical Mount Seir.[40][41][42]
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Must have been some really good stew.
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(10-21-2020 01:20 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  
(10-21-2020 11:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 11:08 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 08:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-20-2020 07:27 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Maybe if cops stopped murdering unarmed black citizens we could all be as focused as you are.

IKR, what's wrong with those racist cops? If I ever get stopped by the cops, here is a list of things I will do.

1. Not listen to them
2. Fight with them
3. Reach for one of their weapons
4. If I can't reach one of their weapons, get one of my own
5. Run away
6. Bonus points if my kids are in the car when I'm reaching for my weapon

I hate it when I'm trying to mind my own business trying to pass counterfeit cash, violating a restraining order, or falling asleep drunk in a drive thru lane and the cops bug me for no reason.
Yeah... cause I know the police have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner by taking a Black life cause All Lives Matter.

What are their names? Breonna Taylor. What she was doing? Asleep at home.
Alatianna Jefferson/ At home.
Aura Rosser/ At home
Stephon Clark/ Standing in his grandmother's backyard.
Botham Jean/ Seated on his sofa at home, eating ice cream.
Philando Castille/ Pulled over for a traffic stop.
Alton Sterling/ Selling CDs and DVDs
Michelle Cusseaux/ At home.
Freddie Gray/ In a police van.
Tanisha Fonville/ At home.
Eric Garner/ Allegedly selling loose cigarettes.
Akai Gurley/ Walking down the stairs in the building where he lived.
Gabriella Nevarez/ Driving
Tamir Rice/ Playing with a toy gun in the park.
Michael Brown/ Walking with a friend.
Tanisha Anderson/ Family called 911 for help because Tanisha, who is bi-polar, was restless and trying to leave the house.
Rashard Brooks/ Fell asleep in his car, blocking the drive-through lane at a fast food restaurant.
Daniel Prude/ He had run on to the street, naked, while experiencing a 'mental health episode'.
George Floyd/ Allegedly tried to use a counterfeit $20 dollar bill.
There are many, many more.

Manipulators begin to dehumanize and vilify a particular group with otherizing language, with more stereotypes, with phony statistics and manufactured stories and edited fake news; all while painting the picture of human beings they begin to see as less than human.

Sounds familiar? It was Nazi Germany who did the same thing before the holocaust. Yet, understand this has all been foretold and nothing can stop the retribution.

Atatianna Dean
Quote:Police body camera footage showed that when she came to her window to observe police outside her home, Officer Aaron Dean shot through it and killed her.[2] Police stated that they found a handgun near her body, which according to her 8-year-old nephew, she was pointing toward the window before being shot

Aura Rosser
Quote:Late one evening in November 2014, Ann Arbor police officers were summoned to the home of Aura Rosser, a 40-year-old African American woman. According to police, she had been engaged in a protracted argument with her boyfriend, and when two officers entered the house, Ms. Rosser approached them with a knife.

Stephon Clark
Quote:Stephon Clark, a 22-year-old African-American man, was shot and killed in Meadowview, Sacramento, California by Terrence Mercadal and Jared Robinet, two officers of the Sacramento Police Department in the backyard of his grandmother's house while he had a phone in his hand, officers believed he had been pointing a gun at them. On March 16, a neighbor called the police to report on behalf of Salena Mohamed Manni, the mother of Clark’s child, to report that the two had been arguing and the argument had turned violent. When police arrived at their apartment, Clark was not present, but officers found Manni with extensive injuries to her face and a hole in the wall of the apartment. Clark, on probation from two domestic violence convictions and one conviction of assault with a deadly weapon, evaded police in the days leading up to the shooting. According to the investigation, Clark had searched online for ways to commit suicide.

Botham Jean
Quote:On September 6, 2018, off-duty Dallas Police Department patrol officer Amber Guyger entered the Dallas, Texas, apartment of 26-year-old accountant Botham Jean and fatally shot him. Guyger said that she had entered the apartment believing it was her own and that she shot Jean believing he was a burglar. Obviously not racially motivated and she was convicted and got 10 years.

Philando Castille
Quote:Shot by Jeronimo Yanez who is Hispanic, so at best it wasn't racially motivated, and at worst, he wasn't killed by a white person. In a press briefing at the scene, St. Anthony's interim police chief Jon Mangseth said that the shooting was the first officer-involved shooting that the department had experienced in at least thirty years.

Alton Sterling
Quote:Alton Sterling, a 37-year-old black man, was shot dead at close range by two Baton Rouge Police Department officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The officers were attempting to control Sterling's arms, and Sterling was shot by them while allegedly reaching for the loaded handgun in his pants pocket. Police were responding to a report that a man in a red shirt was selling CDs and that he had used a gun to threaten a man outside a convenience store

Michelle Cusseaux
Quote:Police were called to the apartment Michelle Cusseaux was renting after she threatened to kill mental health workers. When confronted by officers Cusseaux reportedly grabbed a hammer and raised it above her head. Sergeant Dupra then opened fire killing Cusseaux.

Freddie Gray
Quote:3 of the 6 officers are black, including a black woman.

Tanisha Fonville
Quote:"Officers went inside the apartment to speak with the female who was armed with a knife," according to the release. "After being ordered several times to drop the knife, the female refused their commands and lunged at the officers."

Eric Garner
Quote:Murdered by police, but even in this case the circumstances weren't clear cut.
He had been arrested over 30 times, and asthma, heart disease, and obesity were cited as contributing factors.

Akai Gurley
Quote:The cop who shot Gurley was Asian. He said that the stairway was pitch black (the light was broken) and that he was startled by a noise and his gun went off by accident. Police say that Gurley was an innocent victim.

Gabriela Nevarez
Quote:Gabriella and her grandmother were in a heated discussion and after this discussion she took her grandmothers car and that’s when her grandmother called the police. Citrus Heights Police said they received a call for a stolen vehicle and tracked the car.

Police said Nevarez evaded them by ramming one patrol car then speeding away at over 70 miles per hour, and occasionally traveling on the wrong side of the road. Police said they opened fire on Nevarez after she rammed another patrol car.

Tamir Rice
Quote:Two officers, Loehmann and 46-year-old Frank Garmback, were responding to a police dispatch call regarding a male who had a gun. A caller reported that a male was pointing "a pistol" at random people at the Cudell Recreation Center, a park in the City of Cleveland's Public Works Department. At the beginning of the call and again in the middle, he says of the pistol "it's probably fake. Toward the end of the two-minute call, the caller states that "he is probably a juvenile"; however, this information was not relayed to officers Loehmann and Garmback on the initial dispatch. The officers reported that upon their arrival, they both continuously yelled "show me your hands" through the open patrol car window. Loehmann further stated that instead of showing his hands, it appeared as if Rice was trying to draw: "I knew it was a gun and I knew it was coming out.

Michael Brown
Quote:Wilson said that an altercation ensued when Brown attacked Wilson in his police vehicle for control of Wilson's gun until it was fired. Johnson said that Wilson initiated a confrontation by grabbing Brown by the neck through his car window, threatening him and then shooting at him. At this point, both Wilson and Johnson state that Brown and Johnson fled, with Wilson pursuing Brown shortly thereafter. Wilson stated that Brown stopped and charged him after a short pursuit. Johnson contradicted this account, stating that Brown turned around with his hands raised after Wilson shot at his back. According to Johnson, Wilson then shot Brown multiple times until Brown fell to the ground. In the entire altercation, Wilson fired a total of twelve bullets, including twice during the struggle in the car; the last was probably the fatal shot. Brown was struck six times, all in the front of his body

Tanisha Anderson
Quote:A complete mess, at least partially due to police not being properly equipped to handle cases involving mental illness. Montgomery County Corner Dr. Kent Harshbarger was asked to review the autopsy and make a ruling on Anderson's death.

Harshbarger, according to the attorney general, found that she died from a "cardiac event." He found that one of Anderson's arteries was 70 to 80 percent closed and another was 50 percent closed. Anderson suffered from heart disease and was taking prescription medication -- Resperidol/risperidone-- that increased her risk of a heart attack.

Rayshard Brooks
Quote:Enough has been said about this piece of ****. Domestic abuser, child abuse, false imprisonment, fights with police, steals their taser and tries to shoot them. The Fulton County DA; piece of **** Paul Howard says that Brooks was cordial and cooperative.

Daniel Prude
Quote:Horrible.

George Floyd
Quote:Minnesota Attorney General, Keith Ellison hid the original video for 3 months, which shows Floyd high as a kite, refusing to get in the police car, AND saying that he couldn't breathe even when nothing was obstructing his breathing. Floyd shouldn't have died, but it is noteworthy, that this is the piece of **** that pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during a home invasion. Does Keith Ellison's name sound familiar? It should. He is a democrat accused of domestic abuse by two women; conveniently ignored by democrats.

You managed to leave Elijah McClain off of your list. That is the one case that was truly horrible; truly heartbreaking.

The bottom line is that we all know what we are dealing with. You are a typical of trash that make arguments consisting entirely of "selling CDs and DVDs, leaving out minor details about threatening people with a gun and reaching for a gun. You leave out all the details about weapons, violent threats, reaching for cops' weapons, fighting with cops, resisting arrest, cops that are Black, Hispanic or Asian being involved, literally everything important. In at least 15 of your 18 cases you can argue either that the reaction was justified, or it had nothing to do with race, or both.

And through all that, you don't give a crap about the thousands of kids murdered, the tens of thousand of blacks killed by blacks.
Where is your humanity? I am not fooled by your deflections. This is typical of your ilk. Let's deal with your accusations of Blacks not caring about Black lives being taken away outside of the police scope. Black people care about those innocent lives too and actually do talk about it... all the time.

The reality is, in neighborhoods and cities across America, there are countless organizations, activists and movements dedicated to curbing violence in black communities. The number of “Stop the Violence” marches dwarfs the demonstrations against police brutality. Unity rallies and peace picnics happen every day. Scared Straight programs for at-risk youths, gang counseling, neighborhood watches, intervention specialists, youth counselors, and too many other people and groups to name all lead the charge against crime and violence.

But those efforts don’t make the evening news because they aren’t as salacious as people blocking traffic and protesting; nor do they serve the preconceived self serving confirmation biases. Besides, there’s no way that uncaring people would know about this unless they stopped deflecting with trite questions and instead actually went into a minority neighborhood to selflessly join the effort to address the problems.

I could go on to educate you but you have bought in to fear mongering and really what's the use Esau? Jacob is your enemy.

Quote:Where is your humanity? I am not fooled by your deflections.

Buddy, I broke down all of your idiotic examples.

YOU
- Selling CDs
- At home
- At home
- Pulled over for a traffic stop
- At home
- At home
- In a police van
- Driving 01-wingedeagle
- Playing with a toy gun
- Walking with a friend
- Fell asleep in his car at a drive thru lane

TRUTH
- Pulling guns on civilians and cops
- 8 year old nephew says she pointed gun at police
- Approached cops with a knife
- Shot by a Hispanic cop
- Threatened to kill health care workers, threatened cops with a hammer
- Lunged at cops with a knife
- 3 of 6 cops were black
- Yes, stealing her grandmother's car, ramming a police car, driving at 70mph, ramming another police car, that's how I drive every day
- Cops called because of report someone was pointing guns at people, not told it was a juvenile or maybe a toy, say it was pointed at them, very sad
- Cop claimed he tried to steal his gun
- Fell asleep drunk, fought officers, stole their taser and tried to shoot them

Quote:The number of “Stop the Violence” marches dwarfs the demonstrations against police brutality.

Possibly even more of a lie than all your other lies.

300 in this march in Baltimore




100 people in Watts.




They tried to have a march across the Brooklyn Bridge, but protesters violently tried to block them, this is the one where the cop gets hit on the head with a bat.




Looks like a few hundred people in Philadelphia




Massive rallies two years ago across the US.




Mostly tiny gatherings, and the recent ones have pieces of trash trying to interrupt them.

BTW, where the hell have YOU been the last 50 years that this has been happening? Where have you been up until 6 months ago? What a hypocrite.
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RE: Defense
This is just freaking idiotic from all sides - right, left, black, white, brown, red, conservative, moderate, liberal. This is supposed to be a sports message board. Take all this sh-- to another forum!

Go Tigers!
10-21-2020 02:14 PM
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RE: Defense
(10-21-2020 02:14 PM)danny1 Wrote:  This is just freaking idiotic from all sides - right, left, black, white, brown, red, conservative, moderate, liberal. This is supposed to be a sports message board. Take all this sh-- to another forum!

Go Tigers!

And yet you don't mind all the slogans on the uniforms, the courts and fields, the commercials, all that stuff. I never start anything political in any forum, but I respond when it becomes political.

People on your side have ensured that from now on you can never just sit down and watch a ballgame in peace, after a long day at the office, or to relax on a Sunday afternoon. Now you are upsetted that posts on this board are political.
10-21-2020 02:31 PM
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RE: Defense
If we are going to be political, can we vote MacIntyre out?
10-21-2020 02:51 PM
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