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(10-13-2020 11:12 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 11:11 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  How are you not tagging there?

No idea. You've got to try to get a run there. Crazy. It's Dustyball.

Worth noting that was Altuve on third. He's cost the astros 6 runs this game, and three the game prior.
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(10-13-2020 11:13 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 11:12 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 11:11 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  How are you not tagging there?

No idea. You've got to try to get a run there. Crazy. It's Dustyball.

Worth noting that was Altuve on third. He's cost the astros 6 runs this game, and three the game prior.

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BTW, congrats on actually playing games this season, WH (UH). We're wusses.
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(10-13-2020 11:16 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  BTW, congrats on actually playing games this season, WH (UH). We're wusses.

Wasn't convinced it was going to happen until mid-way through the 2nd quarter lmao
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Here they go again...Rays walk batter with 1 out in bottom 9th.

edit: and now walk Springer on 4 straight. 1st and 2nd 1 out, tying run comes to plate in Altuve.

Wow! what a strikeout. 1 more to go.

edit: brantley flies out to end it.


Rays up 3-0 in series. Looking good now for WS. I know MLB and media wants Dodgers more than ever. Look for some "creative" umpire calls against Braves even moreso now.
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Gotta give it to the Rays they simply wanted it more. 3-0 ain't impossible but it's pretty damn close. Don't usually say this in a LCS but this one has really come down to fielding. Very deserving team. Tough to root against them. Wouldn't mind seeing a first time champ.
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Give credit to the Rays relievers for working out of jams in the late innings. Hard to keep doing that in the pressure of a playoff series. Have to admit, as an A's fan, that if the A's pitchers had been out there tonight, the Astros would hit 3 more HRs and win that game.
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It sucks that Dusty always has the worst luck in the playoffs and all the weirdo fans in baseball blame him for everything. He’s a class act and iconic manager.
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(10-13-2020 09:19 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Braves get very lucky and hang on to barely win a must-win Game 2, 8-7.


Dodgers know they can win this series, and Braves now should know they can lose it.

You are severely underestimating the amount of pressure Roberts and Kershaw are now under down 0-2. Not saying the Bravos can’t choke it away but the Dodgers are going to squeeze their bats into sawdust trying to even the series back up.
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(10-14-2020 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 09:19 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Braves get very lucky and hang on to barely win a must-win Game 2, 8-7.


Dodgers know they can win this series, and Braves now should know they can lose it.

You are severely underestimating the amount of pressure Roberts and Kershaw are now under down 0-2. Not saying the Bravos can’t choke it away but the Dodgers are going to squeeze their bats into sawdust trying to even the series back up.

The problem the Dodgers have now is they must win 4 of 5 games. Kershaw and Buehler only can pitch 2 of those. The Braves win 1 of the next 2 games- the Braves can save Fried and Anderson to games 6 and 7 on full rest. The Dodgers can't game things now like they did the LDS where they use May and Urias together. They are in a world of trouble.
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(10-14-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 09:19 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Braves get very lucky and hang on to barely win a must-win Game 2, 8-7.


Dodgers know they can win this series, and Braves now should know they can lose it.

You are severely underestimating the amount of pressure Roberts and Kershaw are now under down 0-2. Not saying the Bravos can’t choke it away but the Dodgers are going to squeeze their bats into sawdust trying to even the series back up.

The problem the Dodgers have now is they must win 4 of 5 games. Kershaw and Buehler only can pitch 2 of those. The Braves win 1 of the next 2 games- the Braves can save Fried and Anderson to games 6 and 7 on full rest. The Dodgers can't game things now like they did the LDS where they use May and Urias together. They are in a world of trouble.

Exactly. the Dodgers have to go all out to win this one. Like last night for the Astros, tonight is a must win for the Dodgers. Lose and the series is over. All the pressure is on them.
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The calculus now changes for the Dodgers. If I was them I'd pull Urias and throw my worst pitchers. And then if need be, he and Kershaw can tag team game 4
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Well the Braves won't have to worry about overworking their closer now.
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(10-13-2020 09:19 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Dodgers come back to make it close but the Braves hang on. Atlanta is on some kind of roll right now. Seven straight playoff victories. All you can do is tip your cap.

While you were tipping your cap, I was feeling sorry for what was obvious was going to happen to the Braves. Anyone with eyes could see it a mile (or about 20 hours) away. I sure did.
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(10-13-2020 09:19 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 09:16 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And now an extra out given to Dodgers in Bottom of 9th, as Bellinger, 0-4, and 0-8 in series is up and can tie this game. Not good, Braves. Here come Dodgers... Now it's 8-7 on a triple by Bellinger. And you thought Braves had this...nope...tying run 90 feet away.

0-2 and Kershaw's not likely for game 3. I like the Braves in 6.

Um, still? Not so much.
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(10-13-2020 09:37 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 09:31 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Good news: Braves up 2 games to zero in a seven game series.

Bad news: Braves, ahead 7-0 in mid-seventh inning, allow Dodgers to come all the way back, and unless Albies, who was both the hero with the HR in top of 9th, but committed huge error in Bottom 9th, giving dodgers an extra out they used to crawl within 1 run, and 90 feet from tying game or even walking it off.

Braves cannot play that poorly and expect to win this series.

Braves have now won the two critical games they had to win to have a chance, but this series has only just begun. Braves now on downside of their pitching, and their bullpen has shown its weaknesses that Dodgers are salivating to exploit.

And here's the scary part: Braves were up 2-0 to Yankers on the road and came home to Turner Field (remember that place?) and lost the next 4 games and lost the series 2 games to 4.


Dodgers manager Roberts knows he has the advantage now in the series with the Dodgers pitching and now hitting finally working against the Braves.

Braves starting pitching likely begins severely falling off the cliff starting tomorrow. If/when Dodgers tie series 2-2, Braves will be in trouble.

Also, trivia note: Braves reliever Mark Melancin likely very first relief pitcher to catch two HR balls by same teammate in two consecutive NLCS playoff games: he barely had to move last night when he was warming up on the bullpen mound and reached up casually to catch Albies' HR, and then tonight, he sprinted to catch Albeis' 9th inning HR that won the game. Weird, very weird.

Are you a Braves fan trying to be uber cautious or a Dodgers fan trying to find the light in the darkness? This isn't the 2017 Dodgers, they have no bullpen. No lead is safe for them. First two games were critical for both teamsBraves only, Dodgers could afford to lose them both and still easily win this series. Dodgers picked up some momentum but without the W it means next to nothing. Braves are HUGE favoritesunderdogs now. Dodgers now face three must win games or the series is done.


And every one of ya'll thought I was just poor-mouthin' din' ya?
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(10-14-2020 05:50 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  The calculus now changes for the Dodgers. If I was them I'd pull Urias and throw my worst pitchers. And then if need be, he and Kershaw can tag team game 4

His pitch count is high, I'd pull him after 4, not necessarily to use him in Kershaw's start, but possibly for a game 6 or 7.
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(10-13-2020 10:34 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Fair enough, but I'm looking at the way the pitching lines up for the Dodgers and its not good. Urias goes tomorrow, he's 4-5 inning guy. That means the Braves get at least four innings against the Dodgers pen in a must win game. Lose that series is over. Game four Kershaw goes, but if he's not 100% that means another long day for an already taxed pen. Additionally Kershaw going in game four instead of three means he's not likely to be able to pitch game seven (or if he does he won't be in there long). If they get it to a game five you obviously like Buehler to win game 5 but he'll probably need to go deep because the pen just isn't getting it done. Lack of rests days really make it tough to comeback from a deficit in these playoffs. No way to get your ace in three games and no extra recovery for key relievers.

Funny, I don't hear the announcers talking about flippin' Christy Matthewson tonight; wonder why?

Dodgers were always in the driver's seat the entire time, and Braves knew it and so did the Dodgers and Roberts.

Foregone conclusion, Dodgers were going to jump on first pitches tonight and score some runs in the first. Now, I'll admit, I didn't think they were going to score ELEVEN runs in the top of first, but I did tell ya'll yesterday that it was going to be bad--to "fall off a cliff" were my exact words.

I'll admit, I'm not as up on all the SABRmetrics and stuff that Swooshie and Stever pile on to jack these season threads up to 1,000+ posts every year. I do believe in some of that stuff, I try to learn some of it. But at some point it seems to become more BS than not. Why? Because baseball, like life, is as much a game of FEEL as of statistics. If baseball and life were only about statistics and data, then there'd be no need to play the games, or watch them, or have managers at all. Same for life, and this points to a BIG problem in our present groupthink society: life is a lot more about feel no matter how many statistics you have: you can do well in life without stats, but you can't do well in life with only stats and no feel. We are over-skewed waaaay too much to data in society and in baseball right now, and waaay under-appreciative of feel, and it shows. All the data-mining and apps and such is juts too over-the top right now and needs to be scaled back 50% or more from where it is. Baseball is the same, and we're seeing this lesson played out tonight, and in this series.

Dodgers can lose this series, but I'm not sure Braves are strong enough to win it this year; as good as their offense has been over 60 games, they need a lot of help to win from the other team, as we saw last night. Next season, with Mike Soroka back healthy (if he is), and assuming Fried and Anderson are back, and a normal postseason schedule which is obviously HUGE here, Braves have a good team (well, the Ozuna thing in offseason). You can't be this year's Braves and have no ff days and expect to win like this against the Dodgers. MLB also didn't help by telling them to not cut Braves any breaks at the plate. They want Dodgers in WS for ratings, and that's always been another thing Braves were fighting behind the scenes in this series.


Now, for some history, but without the ridiculous Matthewson comparisons:

Braves gave up 11 runs in top of first: most runs ever scored in a postseason top of first inning.

Braves gave up more runs in top of first than in the 64 innings of their other postseason games this year.

There's more (and game's only getting worse, but it doesn't matter--they can lose 30-0 tonight and still be in same boat).

Braves need to let catcher Tyler Flowers and their bench play the rest of game and designate a pitching victim to take 30, 40, 50 runs tonight so they can save what little bullpen they have left after blowing it last night.

I'm very disappointed in Manager Brain Snitker and Pitching Coach Kranitz. This is the second consecutive year to have a no-excuse BS first inning like this. That's a problem that needs to be evaluated after this season. Tonight's outcome was obvious, and they needed to do a better job preparing Wright to limit the damage he would cause, which they did not, and also the only reaction of a responsible manager after last night's game 2 come from a head barely victory should have been this and nothing else:



The Braves LOST Game 2 last night, and with it, showed why they were still likely to lose this series to a strong team with good pitching and a solid bullpen like the Dodgers.

Now, Braves need to survive to game 6 and hope and pray that somehow Fried and Anderson in game 7 can stop the Dodgers juggernaut. Braves top two also don;t look so scary any more, do they, Dodgers? I know Brookes is happy, but wonder why he hasn't chimed in here for a while. His boys are about to turn this thing on its head, and it sucks being the Braves right now.

Braves did not have the pitching and experience to survive a 162 game regular season with one-and--half starting pitchers. The Nats inexplicable collapse notwithstanding (that's the Metz' schtick) it was kind of a mkitracle they won. Yes, they're my boys and they're usually fun to watch, but come on, man!

Finally note this post: Braves scored 29 runs earlier this "season" on Marlins. Over/under on Dodgers doing that tonight, or will they get tired and call the dogs off so they can get some sleep?
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(10-14-2020 06:36 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 09:19 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 09:16 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And now an extra out given to Dodgers in Bottom of 9th, as Bellinger, 0-4, and 0-8 in series is up and can tie this game. Not good, Braves. Here come Dodgers... Now it's 8-7 on a triple by Bellinger. And you thought Braves had this...nope...tying run 90 feet away.

0-2 and Kershaw's not likely for game 3. I like the Braves in 6.

Um, still? Not so much.

Dodgers can win by 30 its still only one game. Yah I still like the Braves in 6.
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1st inning home run for Altuve, seen this script before
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