https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...shows/amp/

If the P5 gets this they will increase scholarships from 85 keeping good athletes away from other programs. G5 better fight.

The G5 "better fight" what exactly? Better put - why can't the 65 or so schools in the P5 formed their own organization? And with the threat of that I'm sure they can get away with a lot in the context of the NCAA - it's all about money right. :-)

I support the split, even if UCF gets left out. College Sports is just a business now. The governance this year has been poor at best. They need to be structured like the NFL. Players need a union and agents.

The facade fell down.

The Knight Commission can eat a dong. All that stupid survey does is plant a seed. Of course those schools would like there to be less schools to compete against. I'm sure that if you also created a poll asking the SEC/Big12/ACC/Big10 if the Pac 12 should be left out of AQ, over half would say yes to that because they aren't in the Pac 12.

Bunch of BS trying to segregate FBS football.

I'm barely watching college sports now (I watch my team and conference mates).

Create an NFL Lite and I'll just stop watching all together. No big impact on my life.

(10-14-2020 01:50 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I support the split, even if UCF gets left out. College Sports is just a business now. The governance this year has been poor at best. They need to be structured like the NFL. Players need a union and agents.

The facade fell down.

That sounds a lot like minor league football. From what I have seen, people hate minor league football.

We already have that in Cincinnati, and I rarely watch *rimshot*.

They're not talking about the P5 splitting away by themselves. They are talking about all of FBS football breaking away from the NCAA and forming its own administration, but all remaining together for basketball.

(10-14-2020 02:08 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I'm barely watching college sports now (I watch my team and conference mates).

Create an NFL Lite and I'll just stop watching all together. No big impact on my life.

Same. I only watch my team and conference mates. Don't care about the NFL or NBA.

(10-14-2020 03:44 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:08 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I'm barely watching college sports now (I watch my team and conference mates).

Create an NFL Lite and I'll just stop watching all together. No big impact on my life.

Same. I only watch my team and conference mates. Don't care about the NFL or NBA.

Im with you guys. I’ll watch games that may have rankings impact but I rarely watch out of conference games. If it goes nfl lite, I’m out.

(10-14-2020 03:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  They're not talking about the P5 splitting away by themselves. They are talking about all of FBS football breaking away from the NCAA and forming its own administration, but all remaining together for basketball.

The study asked about both ideas. Only a little over 20% of the P5 was interested in breaking off FBS as a whole unit. Over 60% of the P5 was in favor of JUST the P5 breaking off as a separate group (with the G5 staying behind in FBS or dropping to FCS). Both plans would leave basketball in the current NCAA D1 configuration. A significant percentage of the P5 indicated no preference. The odd thing to me was about 25% of the G5 was in favor of the P5 going off to its own division (leaving the G5 to either stay behind in FBS by themselves or allowing them to drop down to FCS).

(10-14-2020 07:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 03:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  They're not talking about the P5 splitting away by themselves. They are talking about all of FBS football breaking away from the NCAA and forming its own administration, but all remaining together for basketball.

Over 60% of the P5 was in favor of JUST the P5 breaking off as a separate group (with the G5 staying behind in FBS or dropping to FCS).

The odd thing to me was about 25% of the G5 was in favor of the P5 going off to its own division (leaving the G5 to either stay behind in FBS by temselves or allowing them to drop down to FCS).

If this would require the approval of the NCAA, it would seem unlikely to pass, since 70%+ of the non-P5 schools are opposed to the idea.

What might be more likely would be for the P5 to simply declare their independence from the rest of the FBS and threaten to split off from the NCAA, completely, if the NCAA won't allow them to remain within the current NCAA structure for all the non-FB sports.

If they were to do that, the NCAA might be inclined to go along with such an arrangement, since they wouldn't want to lose the large amount of income that they currently get from the P5 conferences.

However, the NCAA would have some bargaining power if the majority rules, causing the NCAA to take the side of the non-P5 FB and non-FB D1 conferences.

The NCAA could start out by calling what would appear to be a bluff by the P5s to make a complete split, across-the-board. It would be an apparent bluff, because, if the P5 really wanted to split from the NCAA, they wouldn't be trying to negotiate a deal in which they would remain in the NCAA for non-FB sports.

The NCAA might be able to block the deal by telling the P5s that, if they choose to split from the FBS, they would no longer have the benefit of playing in the men's and women's NCAA tournaments, or any of the other NCAA tournaments (baseball, soccer, etc.).

Whether or not the P5 would be willing to split off completely would depend on whether they and the networks would benefit enough from a complete split to make it worthwhile.

If their strong preference is to request a split for FB-only, and not to split for all-sports, then their bargaining power might be quite limited. They could, for example, threaten to cut the amount of FB revenue that they divert to the NCAA. However, the NCAA could respond by threatening to take measures such as setting a more restrictive cap on the number of P5 teams that could receive future NCAA tournament bids.

(10-14-2020 01:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The G5 "better fight" what exactly? Better put - why can't the 65 or so schools in the P5 formed their own organization? And with the threat of that I'm sure they can get away with a lot in the context of the NCAA - it's all about money right. :-)

Unfortunately you are largely correct.

(10-14-2020 02:08 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I'm barely watching college sports now (I watch my team and conference mates).

Create an NFL Lite and I'll just stop watching all together. No big impact on my life.

+2. I do not even watch the NFL except to see scores and go back to other things.

(10-14-2020 01:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The G5 "better fight" what exactly? Better put - why can't the 65 or so schools in the P5 formed their own organization? And with the threat of that I'm sure they can get away with a lot in the context of the NCAA - it's all about money right. :-)

Because the G5 is semi-relevant with TV deals in place, exposure, etc. and can pull the odd win against a P5 opponent. A move such as this would relegate G5 to essentially what the FCS is now. G5 better fight to keep this together. We are trying to gain more equality, not lose it farther.

(10-15-2020 08:39 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 01:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The G5 "better fight" what exactly? Better put - why can't the 65 or so schools in the P5 formed their own organization? And with the threat of that I'm sure they can get away with a lot in the context of the NCAA - it's all about money right. :-)

Because the G5 is semi-relevant with TV deals in place, exposure, etc. and can pull the odd win against a P5 opponent. A move such as this would relegate G5 to essentially what the FCS is now. G5 better fight to keep this together. We are trying to gain more equality, not lose it farther.

That strikes me is a really hopeless and depressing point of view.

Not only that, but for some reason, you have adopted the attitude of those P5 fans who consider the G5 to be "semi-relevant."

You don't seem to realize that non-P5 FBS football isn't what it was 8 or 10 years ago, and you've failed to realize that a lot of non-P5 teams are more competitive and more exciting to watch than a lot of P5 teams.

If you want to have a depressing viewpoint about this, that's your choice. However, if your intent is to come on here and bum out all the G5 conference fans who actually prefer watching non-P5 FBS teams, then I would ask you to kindly stop throwing a pity party.

I am one of those fans, like those who have commented above, who is most interested in my team's conference games and their OOC games against competitive G5 and independent schools.

People like us don't appreciate it when people come on here and try to rain on our parade.

....just sayin'.....

(10-14-2020 01:55 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  The Knight Commission can eat a dong. All that stupid survey does is plant a seed. Of course those schools would like there to be less schools to compete against. I'm sure that if you also created a poll asking the SEC/Big12/ACC/Big10 if the Pac 12 should be left out of AQ, over half would say yes to that because they aren't in the Pac 12.

Bunch of BS trying to segregate FBS football.

^Juan Williams has a point. He may be the liberal of the group but he does he hit it on the head sometimes and right hee ahh.

(10-15-2020 11:00 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 01:55 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  The Knight Commission can eat a dong. All that stupid survey does is plant a seed. Of course those schools would like there to be less schools to compete against. I'm sure that if you also created a poll asking the SEC/Big12/ACC/Big10 if the Pac 12 should be left out of AQ, over half would say yes to that because they aren't in the Pac 12.

Bunch of BS trying to segregate FBS football.

^Juan Williams has a point. He may be the liberal of the group but he does he hit it on the head sometimes and right hee ahh.

I did not realize CoastalJuan was a media figure. Do you think he can hook me up with Dana Perino?

"There is little satisfaction with [NCAA] governance, and the finances of college athletics are broken," Cross said during the presentation to media.



Yeah - and tell us who broke them?

(10-15-2020 10:41 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-15-2020 08:39 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 01:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The G5 "better fight" what exactly? Better put - why can't the 65 or so schools in the P5 formed their own organization? And with the threat of that I'm sure they can get away with a lot in the context of the NCAA - it's all about money right. :-)

Because the G5 is semi-relevant with TV deals in place, exposure, etc. and can pull the odd win against a P5 opponent. A move such as this would relegate G5 to essentially what the FCS is now. G5 better fight to keep this together. We are trying to gain more equality, not lose it farther.

That strikes me is a really hopeless and depressing point of view.

Not only that, but for some reason, you have adopted the attitude of those P5 fans who consider the G5 to be "semi-relevant."

You don't seem to realize that non-P5 FBS football isn't what it was 8 or 10 years ago, and you've failed to realize that a lot of non-P5 teams are more competitive and more exciting to watch than a lot of P5 teams.

If you want to have a depressing viewpoint about this, that's your choice. However, if your intent is to come on here and bum out all the G5 conference fans who actually prefer watching non-P5 FBS teams, then I would ask you to kindly stop throwing a pity party.

I am one of those fans, like those who have commented above, who is most interested in my team's conference games and their OOC games against competitive G5 and independent schools.

People like us don't appreciate it when people come on here and try to rain on our parade.

....just sayin'.....

Actually to the contrary, I feel that the G5, has closed the gap in terms of competitiveness and exposure in regards to the P5. There are many G5s that should be in the place of P5s and visa-versa. Many lower P5s are riding the coattails of others (financially) and it really shows. Non-P5 football is more relevant than it was a decade plus ago mainly because it's more visiable. Literally every conference in FBS has their games on TV, or at worst streaming online. It's accessible in ways it simply was not in the 00s or before. With that said, we all have something to play for (we don't yet have CFP access, but that is coming with an expanded playoff in the future, but in the meantime we do play for the NY6, and those games vs "the big boys" people tune into watch. People like Cinderellas and watching David slay Goliath. That is rare though when you watch FCS beating FBS (especially P5s). Does it happen occasionally like '07 App State, of course it does, but not nearly as often as G5 beating a P5. FCS is at a much greater competitive disadvantage than even the G5 schools are. If the P5 were to break away, yes, some-people would watch the G5, but not like they do now. People aren't going to watch Memphis vs Cincinnati like they do, or UCF like they do, because there would no longer be that interation with the P5. Seeing those schools in the Top 25, above or below P5s causes interest, discussion, and culminates with playing one of them in a NY6 bowl game (or possibly CFP berth in the future). If you take that away, and there is a separate G5 Top 25 and P5 Top 25, where there is little or no playing or interaction between the two, eventually G5 starts to look more and more like FCS (not a knock on FCS, but there is no national talk outside of NDSU possibly currently about FCS teams, schedule, playoffs, and basically none of those games are being shown on linear TV (what are those TV contracts like for the SoCon, Big Sky, OVC, etc.?))

I've said this before. I think nearly all of the AAC schools have spent tens or hundreds of millions of $ upgrading facilities. And there are plenty of other P5 schools that have done that.

They didn't do that to be relegated to a lower division. I don't think this would go down without a fight.